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		<title>By: Webb</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-341374</link>
		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had an eye-opening, revelatory experience....I&#039;m just getting back from the public library and Walmart.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, I went to check out a book.  The library was about to close, and rushing out were a lot of &quot;my people&quot; with luggage--fresh luggage with the wheels and pull-handles.  The shit was frightening--the newly homeless.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I proceeded to the Walmart about half-a-mile away.  The aisles were bustling primarily with latino immigrants some of whom I shall presume were illegal.  As much as I like to think of myself as an ultra-liberal, in that moment I was struck with some severe xenophobia.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What happens when this economy totally tanks?  What happens when the jobs that &quot;only illegal immigrants would do,&quot; become the &quot;only jobs available?&quot;  As gas prices race toward $5-a-gallon and the Dow heads below 11,000, there&#039;s serious trouble on the horizon.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If this economy is not strengthened soon, there&#039;s going to be a meltdown that no immigration-reform bill will be able to fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had an eye-opening, revelatory experience&#8230;.I&#39;m just getting back from the public library and Walmart.  </p>
<p>First, I went to check out a book.  The library was about to close, and rushing out were a lot of &#8220;my people&#8221; with luggage&#8211;fresh luggage with the wheels and pull-handles.  The shit was frightening&#8211;the newly homeless.</p>
<p>I proceeded to the Walmart about half-a-mile away.  The aisles were bustling primarily with latino immigrants some of whom I shall presume were illegal.  As much as I like to think of myself as an ultra-liberal, in that moment I was struck with some severe xenophobia.</p>
<p>What happens when this economy totally tanks?  What happens when the jobs that &#8220;only illegal immigrants would do,&#8221; become the &#8220;only jobs available?&#8221;  As gas prices race toward $5-a-gallon and the Dow heads below 11,000, there&#39;s serious trouble on the horizon.</p>
<p>If this economy is not strengthened soon, there&#39;s going to be a meltdown that no immigration-reform bill will be able to fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas_Girl_in_LA</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-341375</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas_Girl_in_LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly Season:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you have heard of the story regarding Obama refusing to do a fist bump with a little boy...it&#039;s not true. You know...as I am typing this, I&#039;m realizing how stupid this is...but anyway, Rachel M. is filling in for Keith and they played to tape of the event. Obama was in a class full of kids and the little boy asked Obama TO SIGN HIS HAND (an autograph) and Obama said he didn&#039;t think it would be a good idea. That&#039;s it folks. That is it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CNN retracted the story. It&#039;s still on HuffPo &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Priceless...and stupid at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly Season:</p>
<p>If you have heard of the story regarding Obama refusing to do a fist bump with a little boy&#8230;it&#39;s not true. You know&#8230;as I am typing this, I&#39;m realizing how stupid this is&#8230;but anyway, Rachel M. is filling in for Keith and they played to tape of the event. Obama was in a class full of kids and the little boy asked Obama TO SIGN HIS HAND (an autograph) and Obama said he didn&#39;t think it would be a good idea. That&#39;s it folks. That is it. </p>
<p>CNN retracted the story. It&#39;s still on HuffPo </p>
<p>Priceless&#8230;and stupid at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: icebergslim</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-341380</link>
		<dc:creator>icebergslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so correct, Craig.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At DKos you would think someone died.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not crazy about these &quot;Obama&#039;s About Face&quot;, but he is our nominee and I am not a one issue voter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You know who is MY pick over them ALL for President?  Dennis Kucinich, but we see where his campaign went.  Hard left is not going to get elected in this country.  Back in the &#039;30s, yes, in &#039;08 NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so correct, Craig.</p>
<p>At DKos you would think someone died.</p>
<p>I am not crazy about these &#8220;Obama&#39;s About Face&#8221;, but he is our nominee and I am not a one issue voter.</p>
<p>You know who is MY pick over them ALL for President?  Dennis Kucinich, but we see where his campaign went.  Hard left is not going to get elected in this country.  Back in the &#39;30s, yes, in &#39;08 NO.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-341379</link>
		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The netroots, as a rule, don&#039;t know anything about winning elections. But they think they do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Barack will vote as he sees fit, regardless of all that anti-activism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The netroots, as a rule, don&#39;t know anything about winning elections. But they think they do.</p>
<p>Barack will vote as he sees fit, regardless of all that anti-activism.</p>
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		<title>By: afroacademic</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-341376</link>
		<dc:creator>afroacademic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Giordano on Obama &quot;moving&quot; to the center as well as patriotism. A must read: &lt;a href=&quot;http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart-dissent&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Giordano on Obama &#8220;moving&#8221; to the center as well as patriotism. A must read: <a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart-dissent" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart.." rel="nofollow">http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: happycozy</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-341377</link>
		<dc:creator>happycozy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what many people who are disappointed with Obama&#039;s &quot;movement&quot; (I question whether it&#039;s truly a movement) to the center fail to realize is that it&#039;s VERY hard to get a progressive elected as POTUS.  (And please don&#039;t give me FDR as an example of a progressive prez because he was only progressive for white Americans). It is also VERY hard to get a black person elected as POTUS.  My friend and I were discussing this last night.  The only way a black person will become POTUS is if he (and I intentionally said HE) is a republican.  Obama&#039;s people know this.  This presidential campaign is about the independent voters--who usually lean republican--McSame and Obama know this.  So let&#039;s not fool ourselves here.  Obama knows he&#039;s got our votes.  He&#039;s trying to win over some independents because that&#039;s the only way he can win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what many people who are disappointed with Obama&#39;s &#8220;movement&#8221; (I question whether it&#39;s truly a movement) to the center fail to realize is that it&#39;s VERY hard to get a progressive elected as POTUS.  (And please don&#39;t give me FDR as an example of a progressive prez because he was only progressive for white Americans). It is also VERY hard to get a black person elected as POTUS.  My friend and I were discussing this last night.  The only way a black person will become POTUS is if he (and I intentionally said HE) is a republican.  Obama&#39;s people know this.  This presidential campaign is about the independent voters&#8211;who usually lean republican&#8211;McSame and Obama know this.  So let&#39;s not fool ourselves here.  Obama knows he&#39;s got our votes.  He&#39;s trying to win over some independents because that&#39;s the only way he can win.</p>
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		<title>By: lamh32</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-341378</link>
		<dc:creator>lamh32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the Anit-FISA group on Obama&#039;s site is going national press... If Obama doesn&#039;t change his mind, what then!  Will all the member of the group then actively oppose Obama, maybe hold a protest outside of his campaign HQ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would just like to know how far this opposition plans to go if Obama doesn&#039;t meet their demands.  Which is definitely won&#039;t/shouldn&#039;t now that the &quot;whole worlds knows the netroots bizness&quot; if Obama caves to the netroots, then he will look weak.  In fact over on MSNBC, the pundits are already talking about how McCain can take advantage of the division within the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the Anit-FISA group on Obama&#39;s site is going national press&#8230; If Obama doesn&#39;t change his mind, what then!  Will all the member of the group then actively oppose Obama, maybe hold a protest outside of his campaign HQ&#8230;</p>
<p>I would just like to know how far this opposition plans to go if Obama doesn&#39;t meet their demands.  Which is definitely won&#39;t/shouldn&#39;t now that the &#8220;whole worlds knows the netroots bizness&#8221; if Obama caves to the netroots, then he will look weak.  In fact over on MSNBC, the pundits are already talking about how McCain can take advantage of the division within the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Webb</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-163869</link>
		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had an eye-opening, revelatory experience....I&#039;m just getting back from the public library and Walmart.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, I went to check out a book.  The library was about to close, and rushing out were a lot of &quot;my people&quot; with luggage--fresh luggage with the wheels and pull-handles.  The shit was frightening--the newly homeless.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I proceeded to the Walmart about half-a-mile away.  The aisles were bustling primarily with latino immigrants some of whom I shall presume were illegal.  As much as I like to think of myself as an ultra-liberal, in that moment I was struck with some severe xenophobia.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What happens when this economy totally tanks?  What happens when the jobs that &quot;only illegal immigrants would do,&quot; become the &quot;only jobs available?&quot;  As gas prices race toward $5-a-gallon and the Dow heads below 11,000, there&#039;s serious trouble on the horizon.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If this economy is not strengthened soon, there&#039;s going to be a meltdown that no immigration-reform bill will be able to fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had an eye-opening, revelatory experience&#8230;.I&#39;m just getting back from the public library and Walmart.  </p>
<p>First, I went to check out a book.  The library was about to close, and rushing out were a lot of &#8220;my people&#8221; with luggage&#8211;fresh luggage with the wheels and pull-handles.  The shit was frightening&#8211;the newly homeless.</p>
<p>I proceeded to the Walmart about half-a-mile away.  The aisles were bustling primarily with latino immigrants some of whom I shall presume were illegal.  As much as I like to think of myself as an ultra-liberal, in that moment I was struck with some severe xenophobia.</p>
<p>What happens when this economy totally tanks?  What happens when the jobs that &#8220;only illegal immigrants would do,&#8221; become the &#8220;only jobs available?&#8221;  As gas prices race toward $5-a-gallon and the Dow heads below 11,000, there&#39;s serious trouble on the horizon.</p>
<p>If this economy is not strengthened soon, there&#39;s going to be a meltdown that no immigration-reform bill will be able to fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas_Girl_in_LA</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-163870</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas_Girl_in_LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly Season:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you have heard of the story regarding Obama refusing to do a fist bump with a little boy...it&#039;s not true. You know...as I am typing this, I&#039;m realizing how stupid this is...but anyway, Rachel M. is filling in for Keith and they played to tape of the event. Obama was in a class full of kids and the little boy asked Obama TO SIGN HIS HAND (an autograph) and Obama said he didn&#039;t think it would be a good idea. That&#039;s it folks. That is it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CNN retracted the story. It&#039;s still on HuffPo &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Priceless...and stupid at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly Season:</p>
<p>If you have heard of the story regarding Obama refusing to do a fist bump with a little boy&#8230;it&#39;s not true. You know&#8230;as I am typing this, I&#39;m realizing how stupid this is&#8230;but anyway, Rachel M. is filling in for Keith and they played to tape of the event. Obama was in a class full of kids and the little boy asked Obama TO SIGN HIS HAND (an autograph) and Obama said he didn&#39;t think it would be a good idea. That&#39;s it folks. That is it. </p>
<p>CNN retracted the story. It&#39;s still on HuffPo </p>
<p>Priceless&#8230;and stupid at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: icebergslim</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-163874</link>
		<dc:creator>icebergslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so correct, Craig.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At DKos you would think someone died.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not crazy about these &quot;Obama&#039;s About Face&quot;, but he is our nominee and I am not a one issue voter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You know who is MY pick over them ALL for President?  Dennis Kucinich, but we see where his campaign went.  Hard left is not going to get elected in this country.  Back in the &#039;30s, yes, in &#039;08 NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so correct, Craig.</p>
<p>At DKos you would think someone died.</p>
<p>I am not crazy about these &#8220;Obama&#39;s About Face&#8221;, but he is our nominee and I am not a one issue voter.</p>
<p>You know who is MY pick over them ALL for President?  Dennis Kucinich, but we see where his campaign went.  Hard left is not going to get elected in this country.  Back in the &#39;30s, yes, in &#39;08 NO.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-163873</link>
		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The netroots, as a rule, don&#039;t know anything about winning elections. But they think they do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Barack will vote as he sees fit, regardless of all that anti-activism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The netroots, as a rule, don&#39;t know anything about winning elections. But they think they do.</p>
<p>Barack will vote as he sees fit, regardless of all that anti-activism.</p>
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		<title>By: afroacademic</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-163871</link>
		<dc:creator>afroacademic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Giordano on Obama &quot;moving&quot; to the center as well as patriotism. A must read: &lt;a href=&quot;http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart-dissent&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Giordano on Obama &#8220;moving&#8221; to the center as well as patriotism. A must read: <a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart-dissent" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart.." rel="nofollow">http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: happycozy (felicia)</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-163872</link>
		<dc:creator>happycozy (felicia)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what many people who are disappointed with Obama&#039;s &quot;movement&quot; (I question whether it&#039;s truly a movement) to the center fail to realize is that it&#039;s VERY hard to get a progressive elected as POTUS.  (And please don&#039;t give me FDR as an example of a progressive prez because he was only progressive for white Americans). It is also VERY hard to get a black person elected as POTUS.  My friend and I were discussing this last night.  The only way a black person will become POTUS is if he (and I intentionally said HE) is a republican.  Obama&#039;s people know this.  This presidential campaign is about the independent voters--who usually lean republican--McSame and Obama know this.  So let&#039;s not fool ourselves here.  Obama knows he&#039;s got our votes.  He&#039;s trying to win over some independents because that&#039;s the only way he can win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what many people who are disappointed with Obama&#39;s &#8220;movement&#8221; (I question whether it&#39;s truly a movement) to the center fail to realize is that it&#39;s VERY hard to get a progressive elected as POTUS.  (And please don&#39;t give me FDR as an example of a progressive prez because he was only progressive for white Americans). It is also VERY hard to get a black person elected as POTUS.  My friend and I were discussing this last night.  The only way a black person will become POTUS is if he (and I intentionally said HE) is a republican.  Obama&#39;s people know this.  This presidential campaign is about the independent voters&#8211;who usually lean republican&#8211;McSame and Obama know this.  So let&#39;s not fool ourselves here.  Obama knows he&#39;s got our votes.  He&#39;s trying to win over some independents because that&#39;s the only way he can win.</p>
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		<title>By: Webb</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/tuesday-open-thread-2/comment-page-2/#comment-50124</link>
		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had an eye-opening, revelatory experience....I&#039;m just getting back from the public library and Walmart.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, I went to check out a book.  The library was about to close, and rushing out were a lot of &quot;my people&quot; with luggage--fresh luggage with the wheels and pull-handles.  The shit was frightening--the newly homeless.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I proceeded to the Walmart about half-a-mile away.  The aisles were bustling primarily with latino immigrants some of whom I shall presume were illegal.  As much as I like to think of myself as an ultra-liberal, in that moment I was struck with some severe xenophobia.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What happens when this economy totally tanks?  What happens when the jobs that &quot;only illegal immigrants would do,&quot; become the &quot;only jobs available?&quot;  As gas prices race toward $5-a-gallon and the Dow heads below 11,000, there&#039;s serious trouble on the horizon.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If this economy is not strengthened soon, there&#039;s going to be a meltdown that no immigration-reform bill will be able to fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had an eye-opening, revelatory experience&#8230;.I&#39;m just getting back from the public library and Walmart.  </p>
<p>First, I went to check out a book.  The library was about to close, and rushing out were a lot of &#8220;my people&#8221; with luggage&#8211;fresh luggage with the wheels and pull-handles.  The shit was frightening&#8211;the newly homeless.</p>
<p>I proceeded to the Walmart about half-a-mile away.  The aisles were bustling primarily with latino immigrants some of whom I shall presume were illegal.  As much as I like to think of myself as an ultra-liberal, in that moment I was struck with some severe xenophobia.</p>
<p>What happens when this economy totally tanks?  What happens when the jobs that &#8220;only illegal immigrants would do,&#8221; become the &#8220;only jobs available?&#8221;  As gas prices race toward $5-a-gallon and the Dow heads below 11,000, there&#39;s serious trouble on the horizon.</p>
<p>If this economy is not strengthened soon, there&#39;s going to be a meltdown that no immigration-reform bill will be able to fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas_Girl_in_LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas_Girl_in_LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly Season:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you have heard of the story regarding Obama refusing to do a fist bump with a little boy...it&#039;s not true. You know...as I am typing this, I&#039;m realizing how stupid this is...but anyway, Rachel M. is filling in for Keith and they played to tape of the event. Obama was in a class full of kids and the little boy asked Obama TO SIGN HIS HAND (an autograph) and Obama said he didn&#039;t think it would be a good idea. That&#039;s it folks. That is it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CNN retracted the story. It&#039;s still on HuffPo &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Priceless...and stupid at the same time.</description>
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<p>If you have heard of the story regarding Obama refusing to do a fist bump with a little boy&#8230;it&#39;s not true. You know&#8230;as I am typing this, I&#39;m realizing how stupid this is&#8230;but anyway, Rachel M. is filling in for Keith and they played to tape of the event. Obama was in a class full of kids and the little boy asked Obama TO SIGN HIS HAND (an autograph) and Obama said he didn&#39;t think it would be a good idea. That&#39;s it folks. That is it. </p>
<p>CNN retracted the story. It&#39;s still on HuffPo </p>
<p>Priceless&#8230;and stupid at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: icebergslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>icebergslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so correct, Craig.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At DKos you would think someone died.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not crazy about these &quot;Obama&#039;s About Face&quot;, but he is our nominee and I am not a one issue voter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You know who is MY pick over them ALL for President?  Dennis Kucinich, but we see where his campaign went.  Hard left is not going to get elected in this country.  Back in the &#039;30s, yes, in &#039;08 NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so correct, Craig.</p>
<p>At DKos you would think someone died.</p>
<p>I am not crazy about these &#8220;Obama&#39;s About Face&#8221;, but he is our nominee and I am not a one issue voter.</p>
<p>You know who is MY pick over them ALL for President?  Dennis Kucinich, but we see where his campaign went.  Hard left is not going to get elected in this country.  Back in the &#39;30s, yes, in &#39;08 NO.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The netroots, as a rule, don&#039;t know anything about winning elections. But they think they do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Barack will vote as he sees fit, regardless of all that anti-activism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The netroots, as a rule, don&#39;t know anything about winning elections. But they think they do.</p>
<p>Barack will vote as he sees fit, regardless of all that anti-activism.</p>
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		<title>By: afroacademic</title>
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		<dc:creator>afroacademic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Giordano on Obama &quot;moving&quot; to the center as well as patriotism. A must read: &lt;a href=&quot;http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart-dissent&quot;&gt;http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Giordano on Obama &#8220;moving&#8221; to the center as well as patriotism. A must read: <a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart-dissent"></a><a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart.." rel="nofollow">http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/smart..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: happycozy (felicia)</title>
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		<dc:creator>happycozy (felicia)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what many people who are disappointed with Obama&#039;s &quot;movement&quot; (I question whether it&#039;s truly a movement) to the center fail to realize is that it&#039;s VERY hard to get a progressive elected as POTUS.  (And please don&#039;t give me FDR as an example of a progressive prez because he was only progressive for white Americans). It is also VERY hard to get a black person elected as POTUS.  My friend and I were discussing this last night.  The only way a black person will become POTUS is if he (and I intentionally said HE) is a republican.  Obama&#039;s people know this.  This presidential campaign is about the independent voters--who usually lean republican--McSame and Obama know this.  So let&#039;s not fool ourselves here.  Obama knows he&#039;s got our votes.  He&#039;s trying to win over some independents because that&#039;s the only way he can win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what many people who are disappointed with Obama&#39;s &#8220;movement&#8221; (I question whether it&#39;s truly a movement) to the center fail to realize is that it&#39;s VERY hard to get a progressive elected as POTUS.  (And please don&#39;t give me FDR as an example of a progressive prez because he was only progressive for white Americans). It is also VERY hard to get a black person elected as POTUS.  My friend and I were discussing this last night.  The only way a black person will become POTUS is if he (and I intentionally said HE) is a republican.  Obama&#39;s people know this.  This presidential campaign is about the independent voters&#8211;who usually lean republican&#8211;McSame and Obama know this.  So let&#39;s not fool ourselves here.  Obama knows he&#39;s got our votes.  He&#39;s trying to win over some independents because that&#39;s the only way he can win.</p>
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		<title>By: lamh</title>
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		<dc:creator>lamh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the Anit-FISA group on Obama&#039;s site is going national press... If Obama doesn&#039;t change his mind, what then!  Will all the member of the group then actively oppose Obama, maybe hold a protest outside of his campaign HQ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would just like to know how far this opposition plans to go if Obama doesn&#039;t meet their demands.  Which is definitely won&#039;t/shouldn&#039;t now that the &quot;whole worlds knows the netroots bizness&quot; if Obama caves to the netroots, then he will look weak.  In fact over on MSNBC, the pundits are already talking about how McCain can take advantage of the division within the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the Anit-FISA group on Obama&#39;s site is going national press&#8230; If Obama doesn&#39;t change his mind, what then!  Will all the member of the group then actively oppose Obama, maybe hold a protest outside of his campaign HQ&#8230;</p>
<p>I would just like to know how far this opposition plans to go if Obama doesn&#39;t meet their demands.  Which is definitely won&#39;t/shouldn&#39;t now that the &#8220;whole worlds knows the netroots bizness&#8221; if Obama caves to the netroots, then he will look weak.  In fact over on MSNBC, the pundits are already talking about how McCain can take advantage of the division within the party.</p>
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