Comments on: Sunday Open Thread

By: Michelle

Michelle — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:39:05 +0000

Sorry, Ms. Martin, I was quoting Craig and it got confused.

What I thought Craig was saying was that it was not consciously and intentionally a right wing hit on the Obamas.

But really -- intention is irrelevant to me. Function is what matters.

Also, I realized the more I reflected on it that it feels like a psy ops propaganda hit anyway.

So -- no, not satire IMO. Sorry for the confusion!

By: taritac

taritac — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:40:19 +0000

He does. This woman's comment I thought particularly cogent:

I live on an Indian Reservation so I have some experience with the “targeting” of communities based on racial stereotypes. Would Obama dare feel free to lecture Native Americans about absentee fathers or garbage?… Or give the same speeches in Appalachia? My point is that these are NOT issues based on the color of one's skin, but rather on socio-economic circumstances.

That is why Jesse Jackson is RIGHT and Obama is WRONG. Jackson recognizes the plight of all poor communities. Notably two decades ago Jackson campaigned extensively in West Virginia during the 1988 Presidential primaries, so he saw firsthand how poor white people live. Whereas, Obama deigned to visit West Virginia only once and momentarily. That exemplifies the difference between Jackson and Obama. Jackson is a proven humanist, but Obama is becoming known as an opportunist. Obama uses the black community for his own political purposes, and that includes pandering to white voters by lecturing to blacks about their shortcomings… all for media consumption.

By: taritac

taritac — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:15:11 +0000

Hear, hear.

By: taritac

taritac — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:13:08 +0000

Um, why in the hell would they invite Bernie Mac as the entertainment? Haven't they seen his standup or Kings of Comedy?

In any other context, this wouldn't have been a big deal, but you know people are going to try to make something of it.

By: Michelle

Michelle — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:39:05 +0000

By: taritac

taritac — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:40:19 +0000

He does. This woman's comment I thought particularly cogent:

I live on an Indian Reservation so I have some experience with the “targeting” of communities based on racial stereotypes. Would Obama dare feel free to lecture Native Americans about absentee fathers or garbage?… Or give the same speeches in Appalachia? My point is that these are NOT issues based on the color of one's skin, but rather on socio-economic circumstances.

That is why Jesse Jackson is RIGHT and Obama is WRONG. Jackson recognizes the plight of all poor communities. Notably two decades ago Jackson campaigned extensively in West Virginia during the 1988 Presidential primaries, so he saw firsthand how poor white people live. Whereas, Obama deigned to visit West Virginia only once and momentarily. That exemplifies the difference between Jackson and Obama. Jackson is a proven humanist, but Obama is becoming known as an opportunist. Obama uses the black community for his own political purposes, and that includes pandering to white voters by lecturing to blacks about their shortcomings… all for media consumption.

By: taritac

taritac — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:15:11 +0000

Hear, hear.

By: taritac

taritac — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:13:08 +0000

Um, why in the hell would they invite Bernie Mac as the entertainment? Haven't they seen his standup or Kings of Comedy?

In any other context, this wouldn't have been a big deal, but you know people are going to try to make something of it.

By: Michelle

Michelle — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:39:05 +0000

By: taritac

taritac — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:40:19 +0000

He does. This woman's comment I thought particularly cogent:

I live on an Indian Reservation so I have some experience with the “targeting” of communities based on racial stereotypes. Would Obama dare feel free to lecture Native Americans about absentee fathers or garbage?… Or give the same speeches in Appalachia? My point is that these are NOT issues based on the color of one's skin, but rather on socio-economic circumstances.

That is why Jesse Jackson is RIGHT and Obama is WRONG. Jackson recognizes the plight of all poor communities. Notably two decades ago Jackson campaigned extensively in West Virginia during the 1988 Presidential primaries, so he saw firsthand how poor white people live. Whereas, Obama deigned to visit West Virginia only once and momentarily. That exemplifies the difference between Jackson and Obama. Jackson is a proven humanist, but Obama is becoming known as an opportunist. Obama uses the black community for his own political purposes, and that includes pandering to white voters by lecturing to blacks about their shortcomings… all for media consumption.

By: taritac

taritac — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:15:11 +0000

Hear, hear.

By: taritac

taritac — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:13:08 +0000

Um, why in the hell would they invite Bernie Mac as the entertainment? Haven't they seen his standup or Kings of Comedy?

In any other context, this wouldn't have been a big deal, but you know people are going to try to make something of it.

By: GreenLadyHere

GreenLadyHere — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:00:29 +0000

rikyrah: Sharing. On THIS day, "sith" made a strong defense for Mr. Obama on Meet The Press [July 13, 2008]. http://haroldfordjr2006.blogspot.com.
Don't shoot the messenger. :>) :>)

By: msmartin

msmartin — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:17:26 +0000

Barack made the following comments at La Raza:

"But I know how hard you’re working. I know the difference you’re making in our communities. And I’m here today to make you this promise: I will be a President who stands with you, and fights for you, and walks with you every step of the way."

I wish he had the same praise for us.

By: msmartin

msmartin — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:48:08 +0000

Michelle you said it actually “IS” satire and then you said it's not it's “garbage”. Which is it?

By: Michelle

Michelle — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:59:23 +0000

For the record, it actually IS satire. But it doesn't read as satire and that's the problem.

I agree so so hard with it doesn't read as satire.

I love satire. Love it heart and soul. Have actually done some myself.

And real satire by others keeps me sane some days when nothing else works.

THIS, as Craig points out, is not actually functioning as satire. It isn't funny. It isn't clever or interesting or intelligent or insightful. Unoriginal and entirely useless on that level. Satire is an art that requires actual intelligence and work and deep analysis under the surface that shows in what is visible. Satire offers something good and useful.

This on the other hand is someone picking up others' stinking trash, slapping it into an image, claiming credit for doing something while not doing any real work at all, and naming it as something it isn't. Satire my ass. This is garbage.

This image has blown a circuit for me. I can't quite feel this yet. When my weird psychic novocaine wears off this shit is going to HURT.

By: msmartin

msmartin — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:29:43 +0000

Satire is a joke that fades, something you can't remember in it's entirety when you try to retell the joke a week later, not a picture that details every point of insane hateful spew.

I can't believe this.

By: TruthSeeker

TruthSeeker — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:51:42 +0000

Yeah right….and they're laughing their asses off because the damage is done…and they didn't have to lift a finger.

By: TruthSeeker

TruthSeeker — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:47:54 +0000

Not enough solitude for my liking.

By: booboola

booboola — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:36:48 +0000

Maybe Jesse Has a Point

http://www.progressive.org/mag/wx071208