Comments on: Post Netroots Nation… http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:33:52 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: CPL http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-165165 CPL Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:54:34 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-165165 Markos, if it wasn't the intention to exclude anyone, then why the defensive responses when we ask the questions? I'm not the only one who pointed it out - you got asked about the lack of diversity during your, ahem, "Debate" with Harold Ford on Friday.<br><br>You also said that diversity didn't matter. Please clarify what you meant by that remark.<br><br>After all the efforts I've made to get information like CBC Monitor to you, I find it equally OFFENSIVE that you would try to call me out like this, when several people mentioned diversity to you and you said nothing. Makes me wonder if Francis Holland has a point... Markos, if it wasn't the intention to exclude anyone, then why the defensive responses when we ask the questions? I'm not the only one who pointed it out – you got asked about the lack of diversity during your, ahem, “Debate” with Harold Ford on Friday.

You also said that diversity didn't matter. Please clarify what you meant by that remark.

After all the efforts I've made to get information like CBC Monitor to you, I find it equally OFFENSIVE that you would try to call me out like this, when several people mentioned diversity to you and you said nothing. Makes me wonder if Francis Holland has a point…

]]> By: CPL http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42066 CPL Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:54:34 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42066 Markos, if it wasn't the intention to exclude anyone, then why the defensive responses when we ask the questions? I'm not the only one who pointed it out - you got asked about the lack of diversity during your, ahem, "Debate" with Harold Ford on Friday.<br><br>You also said that diversity didn't matter. Please clarify what you meant by that remark.<br><br>After all the efforts I've made to get information like CBC Monitor to you, I find it equally OFFENSIVE that you would try to call me out like this, when several people mentioned diversity to you and you said nothing. Makes me wonder if Francis Holland has a point... Markos, if it wasn't the intention to exclude anyone, then why the defensive responses when we ask the questions? I'm not the only one who pointed it out – you got asked about the lack of diversity during your, ahem, “Debate” with Harold Ford on Friday.

You also said that diversity didn't matter. Please clarify what you meant by that remark.

After all the efforts I've made to get information like CBC Monitor to you, I find it equally OFFENSIVE that you would try to call me out like this, when several people mentioned diversity to you and you said nothing. Makes me wonder if Francis Holland has a point…

]]> By: kos http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42067 kos Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:08 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42067 Leutisha, <br><br>I will say flat our that it's deeply offensive to suggest that anyone is being excluded from the conference. No one is excluded. The only barrier to entry is cost and yes -- it's true -- that our communities may be disproportionately impacted by cost issues. That's why I said i'd be happy to work on scholarships to ensure greater diversity.<br><br>I'll be happy to join you in fundraising efforts to ensure more people of color attend. <br><br>The issue isn't one of exclusion, it's of making it possible for worthy attendants who can't afford it to be able to attend. Thanks, markos Leutisha,

I will say flat our that it's deeply offensive to suggest that anyone is being excluded from the conference. No one is excluded. The only barrier to entry is cost and yes — it's true — that our communities may be disproportionately impacted by cost issues. That's why I said i'd be happy to work on scholarships to ensure greater diversity.

I'll be happy to join you in fundraising efforts to ensure more people of color attend.

The issue isn't one of exclusion, it's of making it possible for worthy attendants who can't afford it to be able to attend. Thanks, markos

]]> By: heartsandflowers http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42072 heartsandflowers Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:33:11 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42072 Hey what's up! I soooo agree with you. We should get our own VC funding and form PACs and definitely combine goals and resources with those who will be allies to form a real 'progressive' agenda. Donna does not want to be the canary in the coal mine. There is a digital divide to address and grooming candidates and basic information that so many of us are unaware of. I've only been reading political blogs since January for example but have always had an interest in fighting injustice and equality and fairness. Hey what's up! I soooo agree with you. We should get our own VC funding and form PACs and definitely combine goals and resources with those who will be allies to form a real 'progressive' agenda. Donna does not want to be the canary in the coal mine. There is a digital divide to address and grooming candidates and basic information that so many of us are unaware of. I've only been reading political blogs since January for example but have always had an interest in fighting injustice and equality and fairness.

]]> By: Carnacki http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42070 Carnacki Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:51:15 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42070 I heard it was Dave Neiwart of FDL and Mike Stark of Calling All Wingnuts who went over. I heard the crowd at the rightwingers was HUGE like in the dozens. I heard it was Dave Neiwart of FDL and Mike Stark of Calling All Wingnuts who went over. I heard the crowd at the rightwingers was HUGE like in the dozens.

]]> By: Carnacki http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42068 Carnacki Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:31:40 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42068 Happy to meet so many great people.<br><br>I just updated my diary <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/21/125618/145/670/554630">Howard Dean and me</a>. Al was great to hang out with. Happy to meet so many great people.

I just updated my diary Howard Dean and me. Al was great to hang out with.

]]> By: tvanel http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42069 tvanel Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:35:22 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42069 I was told that some bloggers from firerdog lake crashed the repub bloggers convention (200 in attendance..LOL) and started some ish....one dude asked John Fund about having gay sex in the eighties and he freaked...Fund immediately asked security to kick them out...LOL I was told that some bloggers from firerdog lake crashed the repub bloggers convention (200 in attendance..LOL) and started some ish….one dude asked John Fund about having gay sex in the eighties and he freaked…Fund immediately asked security to kick them out…LOL

]]> By: tvanel http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42071 tvanel Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:23:14 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42071 CPL, it was a pleasure meeting you over the weekend--and thanks for inviting me to the party. I don't think folks appreciate the work you do with the CBC monitor and the Black Agenda Report. We need to pool our resources and get together and at this point, I more concerned about the Afrosphere coming together to address issues of concern and worrying about who will lead the effort, so the financial component I spoke of needs to be acted upon. I am here and let me know.<br><br>I prob will attend the CBC weekend in September and perhaps we can meet up there as well and continue our discussion.<br><br>Great post on the "debate"..lol..<br><br>Hearts and Flowers (faith) great meeting you as well. CPL, it was a pleasure meeting you over the weekend–and thanks for inviting me to the party. I don't think folks appreciate the work you do with the CBC monitor and the Black Agenda Report. We need to pool our resources and get together and at this point, I more concerned about the Afrosphere coming together to address issues of concern and worrying about who will lead the effort, so the financial component I spoke of needs to be acted upon. I am here and let me know.

I prob will attend the CBC weekend in September and perhaps we can meet up there as well and continue our discussion.

Great post on the “debate”..lol..

Hearts and Flowers (faith) great meeting you as well.

]]> By: CPL http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42074 CPL Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:00:41 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42074 HeartsandFlowers, that was divine providence that you got to Markos before I did. I told him about CBC Monitor and our assistance in getting Donna elected, and he blew me off. Good on Donna to check him, because he sprinkled that pixie dust in his speech when he introduced her. He tried to do that publicly - she didn't let him get away with it.<br><br>All Markos did was put her on the ActBlue page. If he does that back in 2006, she would have won Wynn's seat back then.<br><br>Someone said Markos is out for Markos, and he is Liberal for Pay. HeartsandFlowers, that was divine providence that you got to Markos before I did. I told him about CBC Monitor and our assistance in getting Donna elected, and he blew me off. Good on Donna to check him, because he sprinkled that pixie dust in his speech when he introduced her. He tried to do that publicly – she didn't let him get away with it.

All Markos did was put her on the ActBlue page. If he does that back in 2006, she would have won Wynn's seat back then.

Someone said Markos is out for Markos, and he is Liberal for Pay.

]]> By: CPL http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42076 CPL Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:42 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42076 And as you remember, Matt, we weren't able to attend your caucus to see for ourselves, because your buddies at Netroots Nation decided to schedule all of the caucuses AT THE SAME TIME, ON THE SAME DAY.<br><br>As I said, there were less than 20 African-American Bloggers at the conference. If I'd been able to see more Latinos, I'd rescind my statement. But this conference was in Austin, and Travis County is a heavily Latino populated area. Additionally, during the Markos-Ford "debate", someone pointed out the lack of diversity among not only conference attendees, but who graced the stage as well. And as you remember, Matt, we weren't able to attend your caucus to see for ourselves, because your buddies at Netroots Nation decided to schedule all of the caucuses AT THE SAME TIME, ON THE SAME DAY.

As I said, there were less than 20 African-American Bloggers at the conference. If I'd been able to see more Latinos, I'd rescind my statement. But this conference was in Austin, and Travis County is a heavily Latino populated area. Additionally, during the Markos-Ford “debate”, someone pointed out the lack of diversity among not only conference attendees, but who graced the stage as well.

]]> By: CPL http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42077 CPL Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:54:08 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42077 Matt. I'm not saying it's not true; I'm reporting what I SAW. Did y'all make any attempt to engage US? Matt. I'm not saying it's not true; I'm reporting what I SAW. Did y'all make any attempt to engage US?

]]> By: heartsandflowers http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42083 heartsandflowers Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:05:17 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42083 I took him to task with my concerns regarding Prop G which would build a new and unnecessary football stadium as well as million-dollar condos in what was a toxic and currently under-served and redlined neighborhood. It's also the last undeveloped area left in San Francisco and it's where the majority of Black people live who haven't been displaced by gentrification and market rate rents. 46% of the population has been forced out. <br><br>He is very well-versed on the history of the city. He answered every question, gave me some food for thought. Let's just say he's the anti harold Ford. I will be writing about this on my blog in a few days and the rest of my conference experiences/recaps so feel free to visit.<br><a href="http://actsoffaithinloveandlife.blogspot.com/">http://actsoffaithinloveandlife.blogspot.com/</a> I took him to task with my concerns regarding Prop G which would build a new and unnecessary football stadium as well as million-dollar condos in what was a toxic and currently under-served and redlined neighborhood. It's also the last undeveloped area left in San Francisco and it's where the majority of Black people live who haven't been displaced by gentrification and market rate rents. 46% of the population has been forced out.

He is very well-versed on the history of the city. He answered every question, gave me some food for thought. Let's just say he's the anti harold Ford. I will be writing about this on my blog in a few days and the rest of my conference experiences/recaps so feel free to visit.
http://actsoffaithinloveandlife.blogspot.com/

]]> By: heartsandflowers http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42073 heartsandflowers Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:27:29 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42073 Ahhh thanks CPL. I will email you privately on this with more detail but I'll let the readers know that Markos was in front of me at the security check-in line at the airport. God was trying to tell me to do something obviously though I was reluctant after the 3am chat with Gina Cooper. Anyway, I did to speak to him...and we'll see if any changes actually get done but I was very specific in what I would have done had I been in charge. And he is trying to claim ownership for getting Donna elected and I had to remind him that it was YOU and YOUR COLLEAGUES at BAR with the CBC Monitor [which was validated by Donna herself during her speech] that helped and not the sprinkling of his pixie dust. Between that and the "I'm not donating to Obama" diary I am beginning to wonder if this is about getting Democrats elected as he claims or about his ego and jockeying for power. Perhaps I've said too much.....too bad. I'm nobody's excuser, denier or ring kisser!! Anyway to all the readers CPL is 100% choice human being and all around fabulous Black woman. You totally made the conference for me. Thank you! Ahhh thanks CPL. I will email you privately on this with more detail but I'll let the readers know that Markos was in front of me at the security check-in line at the airport. God was trying to tell me to do something obviously though I was reluctant after the 3am chat with Gina Cooper. Anyway, I did to speak to him…and we'll see if any changes actually get done but I was very specific in what I would have done had I been in charge. And he is trying to claim ownership for getting Donna elected and I had to remind him that it was YOU and YOUR COLLEAGUES at BAR with the CBC Monitor [which was validated by Donna herself during her speech] that helped and not the sprinkling of his pixie dust. Between that and the “I'm not donating to Obama” diary I am beginning to wonder if this is about getting Democrats elected as he claims or about his ego and jockeying for power. Perhaps I've said too much…..too bad. I'm nobody's excuser, denier or ring kisser!! Anyway to all the readers CPL is 100% choice human being and all around fabulous Black woman. You totally made the conference for me. Thank you!

]]> By: Matt_Ortega http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42075 Matt_Ortega Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:58:17 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42075 That's simply not true. At the Latino Caucus, we tripled our turnout and it was almost entirely new people. That's simply not true. At the Latino Caucus, we tripled our turnout and it was almost entirely new people.

]]> By: GreenLadyHere http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42081 GreenLadyHere Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:07:38 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42081 Me 2! I enjoyed your experience! Felt like I/we were there! Thank you! Me 2! I enjoyed your experience! Felt like I/we were there! Thank you!

]]> By: CPL http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42079 CPL Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:08:45 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42079 Blinders Off, good to see you, too. I'm not surprised that Nikki Tinker is getting caught with her slip showing; Harold's wife maxing out her donations not withstanding. Blinders Off, good to see you, too. I'm not surprised that Nikki Tinker is getting caught with her slip showing; Harold's wife maxing out her donations not withstanding.

]]> By: CPL http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42085 CPL Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:07:49 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42085 Less than 20 and many of us were African-American. Latinos barely represented. Less than 20 and many of us were African-American. Latinos barely represented.

]]> By: blindersoff http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42078 blindersoff Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:52:54 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42078 Happy to see you writing again CPL, after reading your post about the Dark Sith; I thought you might like to see how his girl Nikki Tinker became a laughing stock and embarrassed herself at the following debate held a few days ago.<br><br><a href="http://www.wreg.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=2688051&h1=WATCH%2520OUR%25209TH%2520DISTRICT%2520CONGRESSIONAL%2520DEBATE.%2520CLICK%2520HERE&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=3778633&LaunchPageAdTag=Search%2520Results&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%253A//www.wreg.com/Global/SearchResults.asp%253Fvendor%253Dwss%2526qu%253D9th+district+debate&rnd=21887503">http://www.wreg.com/global/video/popup/pop_play...</a> Happy to see you writing again CPL, after reading your post about the Dark Sith; I thought you might like to see how his girl Nikki Tinker became a laughing stock and embarrassed herself at the following debate held a few days ago.

http://www.wreg.com/global/video/popup/pop_play...

]]> By: rikyrah http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42080 rikyrah Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:53:50 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42080 Thanks CPL for keeping us informed. Enjoyed all the posts from Netroots Nation. Thanks CPL for keeping us informed. Enjoyed all the posts from Netroots Nation.

]]> By: gaiilonfong http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/post-netroots-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-42082 gaiilonfong Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:09:03 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1644#comment-42082 What happened with Faith and Newsome?<br>I am so curious. Thanks for your work and letting us know what was going on! What happened with Faith and Newsome?
I am so curious. Thanks for your work and letting us know what was going on!

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