Jack & Jill Politics

No, Steele is not Uncle Ruckus. Steele is a tragic mulatto --he is Peola. He is biracial He is cursed because of his black blood. He is bounded to his race. For him he can not claim his whiteness to be a part of the superior race.

You are 100% correct very good!

oh my god... thank you guys for the laughs this weekend. what was shelby's real intent, again, since it obviously came out wrong. right?

In truth, they have not actually improved. In the last 40 years, SOME of the hardcore racists have simply died.

And that's all folks!

Folks, we have to understand that Shelby Steele is including himself in that category. He is thinking about his children who have a white mother and who will probably have non-black spouses if they marry. His comment is not about us and is not directed toward us. He is thinking about their future and the future of his non-black grandchildren. Steele, in effect, is trying to pad their legacy as white Americans.

Shelby Steele has a white mother. I wonder exactly what she taught him growing up.

i did not know that. clicked google, he's a couple genes in the face away from running away and ernestly claiming to be mexican or italian. i almost feel bad for him. and then i read this over at google:

Chicago Tribune, reviewed Steele's book[5] and disagreed with his analysis of Obama noting that:

"[as] I read his essay, I found myself thinking that Steele was trapped in a time warp, that his knowledge of the currents of thought and attitude among black people stopped sometime around 1990. Less charitably, I found myself thinking that the egregious Al Sharpton is not the only one with an investment in a static view of American race relations....It apparently never occurs to Steele that for a man a generation younger than himself the terms of blackness might be different, that the “totalitarian” demands he [Steele] encountered in the ’60s might no longer prevail, that Barack Obama’s mixed-race experience might actually be different than Shelby Steele’s."[5]

and where Steele is coming from makes a little more sense, now (and off topic, I like the bonus smack against Al Sharpton).

It has been a long time since I've seen such an example of internalized racism. Sad.
May the mother embrace his soul and the son grant him peace in this age.

Wow. I tried to cut him a *little* slack on "Content of Our Character", but THAT is just plain whack. The "history of the human condition"? Really? I'd love to say that--but as long as there's a White citizens' Council, Christian Identity Movement, and Fox News, I think that Steele's assertions are just a *tad* off base.

Oh man I CAN'T STAND Shelby Steele. He is the worst sell-out ever!

If (and when) Colin Powell endorses Barack Obama, the notion of black Republicans/conservatives will be totally "turned on it's head."

It's already a lonely world for the Clarence Thomases and Ward Connerlys--their dream of converting more "financially-well-off" AAs to the darkside will collapse.

"The only other guys that belong in the Negro Self-Hatred Club is Clarence Thomas and Ward Connerly."....Larry Elders, Jesse Lee Peterson, Juan Williams, my cousin Jeff.

Unfortunately there are too many.

I have very little to say about this statement but....hahaha.

When did he say or write this?

Shelby would like to forget he's a Black Man in America.

Stop right there. The only other guys that belong in the Negro Self-Hatred Club is Clarence Thomas and Ward Connerly.

He's smitten

Note to my White friends:

No props for no longer enslaving, lynching, raping, displacing bloodlines, and excluding Blacks from economic opportunity.

OH, Lord have mercy. That sweeeet white nectar.......

I love you guys even more now!

May I nominate Ward Connerly?

Ohhhh Shelby! It must pain you to look at yourself in the mirror every morning! Are there others in your house that LOOK like you! How you must hate them too. Please stay away from the news stands, because there are magazines there [Jet, Ebony Essence, "O", etc.] that could immediately send you into cardiac arrest! Now you be careful out there, 'cause some of "US" walk the streets and work in the day time!

@ Miss_Opinion - now you're wrong, Y-T does NOTHING for OUR enjoyment.

Ha!

WTF?

I see what he's trying to say......or what he wanted to say....or.....

Forget it.

You know the cuckoo has flown when D can't justify statements like this.

I tried, CPL......I tried.

Can't believe I'm going to say this. D- I see where you are going with this.

Problem for me is when he says how whites have grown he implies Blacks (and other groups ) haven't made the same progress with racial understanding.

The moral part is seeing the effects of racism as hurtful to our entire country... which I have to say most whites don't see quite yet.

So I would say that there have been strides within the last 40 years towards racial understanding. Not saying we've arrived, but there is growth.

Shelby Steele however is one dancing, smiling, happy to please a white man mf.

Respect, D.

Actually, D, it would be quite interesting if you said what you thought about this.

At the risk of becoming a JJP award winner myself.....

I think what he's trying to say is that, in terms of having to overcome racism from the position of being the racist, whites have had the furthest to come.

I can't necessarily say that I disagree with that.

Have you lost your f*&king mind? Really!

Imagine how many times a minority had to overcome the immoral desire for revenge ...... or wanted to....... oh nevermind.

Do you ever really think through a oint before making it?

You missed what I said....and you've done that before.

Let's try this:

What I think Steele was saying is that as far as having been the ones who have openly committed racist actions against others-and then losing their legal cover for doing so-, white people have had to make the biggest adjustment of any other racial group.

Now, if you can show me another minority that's been as racist towards another as whites were historically were to us, then I'll stand corrected. Doubt you'll find it...hell, I doubt you'll even look.

I understand what you're saying, D.

But that's like complimenting ex-child rapists for
finally having a normal sex life.

That's a unique way of putting that, RonnieB. What you and D said bears thinking about, more deeply, together.

I understood you perfectly. My point is that it takes great morality and strenghth to ignore what has been done to minorities even more so than the whites you claim are mending the racists ways.

My biggest problem with this is that an apologist like Steele shouldn't have said it.

If a Powell-or an unknown Obama-would've said it, it would have been alright. You might not have agreed, but would have seen what he was trying to say. Cause they would have said it better, more elequently.

But from this dude? Only thing that would make it worse is if David Duke said it.

There is no appropriate person or manner to suggest that whites show more morality by being less racist. No congratulations are in order and you continue to amaze with you ineptness.

You misspeled eloquently.

Fear not, msmartin, I'm just not that into you either.

:-)

More pitiful stuff from a smart black man who can't deal with being a black man in America due to a lack of self esteem. He just needs more prayer, since next he will be justifying slavery and Jim Crow.

You owe him and apology!

White people you see created everything. They even take one hour off from work to go outside and make shiny rainbows. It takes time away from work but they do it for the joy it gives to us lesser non whites.

Shelby truly is Uncle Ruckus come to life. He's so self-hating, it's painful to see.

In the history of the human condition? Wow. When a Black man becomes a conservative he gains the zeal of the converted. Shelby is very much removed from what the rest of us refer to as reality.

Could ya say that again? I couldn't hear you over the sound of me s**tting myself. - UR

Self-hate is a b!tch.

Speaking of s**tting one's self, I once wiped a white baby's @ss and it did indeed smell like flowers!