http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jul/28/black-hisp...

Doing this in between projects! Whew! :>) :>) Ya know, I haven't had my “DISS THE DUDE” moments today! It's ruff! :>) :>) :>) Whew. Deep breaths! :>) :>) :>)

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jul/28/black-hisp...

Doing this in between projects! Whew! :>) :>) Ya know, I haven't had my “DISS THE DUDE” moments today! It's ruff! :>) :>) :>) Whew. Deep breaths! :>) :>) :>)

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jul/28/black-hisp...

Doing this in between projects! Whew! :>) :>) Ya know, I haven't had my “DISS THE DUDE” moments today! It's ruff! :>) :>) :>) Whew. Deep breaths! :>) :>) :>)

I agree with you that white people aren't thinking that hard. As I'm sure everyone here knows, racism isn't really on the average white person's radar on a daily basis.

I think some whites like to focus on a 'divide' between blacks and hispanics (or any other non-white ethnic group) because it validates their own racism. big Media outlets know that one of the products they need to sell to their viewers is a feeling of validation so they cover these bogus stories. I think whites – and I say this as a white person myself – watch/read these stories and figure 'blacks are racist against Mexicans so they're no better than I am!' I know it sounds crazy – not to mention utterly retarded – but I believe it to be true and have heard this sort of rubbish more than once in my life.

I'd like to think there is a more nefarious reason for the coverage (creating division between groups, for example), but I think for the vast majority of the white population that actually make a big deal about this so-called divide, it just makes them feel less bad about their own racism.

Apologies if someone further downthread posted the same thing.

I agree with you that white people aren't thinking that hard. As I'm sure everyone here knows, racism isn't really on the average white person's radar on a daily basis.

I think some whites like to focus on a 'divide' between blacks and hispanics (or any other non-white ethnic group) because it validates their own racism. big Media outlets know that one of the products they need to sell to their viewers is a feeling of validation so they cover these bogus stories. I think whites – and I say this as a white person myself – watch/read these stories and figure 'blacks are racist against Mexicans so they're no better than I am!' I know it sounds crazy – not to mention utterly retarded – but I believe it to be true and have heard this sort of rubbish more than once in my life.

I'd like to think there is a more nefarious reason for the coverage (creating division between groups, for example), but I think for the vast majority of the white population that actually make a big deal about this so-called divide, it just makes them feel less bad about their own racism.

Apologies if someone further downthread posted the same thing.

I agree with you that white people aren't thinking that hard. As I'm sure everyone here knows, racism isn't really on the average white person's radar on a daily basis.

I think some whites like to focus on a 'divide' between blacks and hispanics (or any other non-white ethnic group) because it validates their own racism. big Media outlets know that one of the products they need to sell to their viewers is a feeling of validation so they cover these bogus stories. I think whites – and I say this as a white person myself – watch/read these stories and figure 'blacks are racist against Mexicans so they're no better than I am!' I know it sounds crazy – not to mention utterly retarded – but I believe it to be true and have heard this sort of rubbish more than once in my life.

I'd like to think there is a more nefarious reason for the coverage (creating division between groups, for example), but I think for the vast majority of the white population that actually make a big deal about this so-called divide, it just makes them feel less bad about their own racism.

Apologies if someone further downthread posted the same thing.

regarding people who have never worked in this country being entitled to social services while older African Americans aren't is a bit more questionable to me. I'm not sure how, say, illegal immigrants could get such services while others, who were born in America, can't get the same services. If there is actual evidence of that happening, I'd be interested in seeing it. I tend to hear it from my right-wing relatives, but don't see much evidence of it myself…

Regarding language issues, put yourself in their shoes. It's possible they don't know the language. If you've ever been overseas, you may have noticed that many Americans (and other foreigners) who live in another country never manage to pick up the language of their host country, either. It's especially difficult for adults who didn't have sufficient exposure to English when they were younger. That might account for the non-English-speaking stores in Miami (though, if they have lived in the US for any period of time, I imagine they can struggle to express themselves at least in very basic English). People with no English skills in America are also often forced, thru necessity, to work in their own communities. Why would boeing, for example, hire someone in the US who speaks *only* Korean? The fact of the matter is, such people have little choice but to start their own business or work in an ethnic supermarket or some other place where they can get by largely thru their own language.

Similarly, Americans aren't the only people who have to learn the 'right' language. I live in Japan and work as a staff recruiter. Many of the jobs I get are at non-Japanese companies and require English skills that the vast majority of Japanese people don't have. As a result, for those Japanese people who weren't fortunate enough to live in America, for example, when they were young and when their parents (father) were working in the US, they either have to learn English on their own time or build a career/life in an area where it's not required.

The tension with regards to language seems completely unnecessary to me. It is what it is. I'm sure language issues have existed since the beginning of human migration. FWIW, if you walk into a store where the employees don't speak English but are talking amongst themselves, I suspect they're engaged in a mundane conversation, just like English speakers are when they work together. Americans seem particularly inclined to think that they're being talked about negatively when they are around others who aren't speaking English. In reality, I think it's seldom that exciting.

regarding people who have never worked in this country being entitled to social services while older African Americans aren't is a bit more questionable to me. I'm not sure how, say, illegal immigrants could get such services while others, who were born in America, can't get the same services. If there is actual evidence of that happening, I'd be interested in seeing it. I tend to hear it from my right-wing relatives, but don't see much evidence of it myself…

Regarding language issues, put yourself in their shoes. It's possible they don't know the language. If you've ever been overseas, you may have noticed that many Americans (and other foreigners) who live in another country never manage to pick up the language of their host country, either. It's especially difficult for adults who didn't have sufficient exposure to English when they were younger. That might account for the non-English-speaking stores in Miami (though, if they have lived in the US for any period of time, I imagine they can struggle to express themselves at least in very basic English). People with no English skills in America are also often forced, thru necessity, to work in their own communities. Why would boeing, for example, hire someone in the US who speaks *only* Korean? The fact of the matter is, such people have little choice but to start their own business or work in an ethnic supermarket or some other place where they can get by largely thru their own language.

Similarly, Americans aren't the only people who have to learn the 'right' language. I live in Japan and work as a staff recruiter. Many of the jobs I get are at non-Japanese companies and require English skills that the vast majority of Japanese people don't have. As a result, for those Japanese people who weren't fortunate enough to live in America, for example, when they were young and when their parents (father) were working in the US, they either have to learn English on their own time or build a career/life in an area where it's not required.

The tension with regards to language seems completely unnecessary to me. It is what it is. I'm sure language issues have existed since the beginning of human migration. FWIW, if you walk into a store where the employees don't speak English but are talking amongst themselves, I suspect they're engaged in a mundane conversation, just like English speakers are when they work together. Americans seem particularly inclined to think that they're being talked about negatively when they are around others who aren't speaking English. In reality, I think it's seldom that exciting.

regarding people who have never worked in this country being entitled to social services while older African Americans aren't is a bit more questionable to me. I'm not sure how, say, illegal immigrants could get such services while others, who were born in America, can't get the same services. If there is actual evidence of that happening, I'd be interested in seeing it. I tend to hear it from my right-wing relatives, but don't see much evidence of it myself…

Regarding language issues, put yourself in their shoes. It's possible they don't know the language. If you've ever been overseas, you may have noticed that many Americans (and other foreigners) who live in another country never manage to pick up the language of their host country, either. It's especially difficult for adults who didn't have sufficient exposure to English when they were younger. That might account for the non-English-speaking stores in Miami (though, if they have lived in the US for any period of time, I imagine they can struggle to express themselves at least in very basic English). People with no English skills in America are also often forced, thru necessity, to work in their own communities. Why would boeing, for example, hire someone in the US who speaks *only* Korean? The fact of the matter is, such people have little choice but to start their own business or work in an ethnic supermarket or some other place where they can get by largely thru their own language.

Similarly, Americans aren't the only people who have to learn the 'right' language. I live in Japan and work as a staff recruiter. Many of the jobs I get are at non-Japanese companies and require English skills that the vast majority of Japanese people don't have. As a result, for those Japanese people who weren't fortunate enough to live in America, for example, when they were young and when their parents (father) were working in the US, they either have to learn English on their own time or build a career/life in an area where it's not required.

The tension with regards to language seems completely unnecessary to me. It is what it is. I'm sure language issues have existed since the beginning of human migration. FWIW, if you walk into a store where the employees don't speak English but are talking amongst themselves, I suspect they're engaged in a mundane conversation, just like English speakers are when they work together. Americans seem particularly inclined to think that they're being talked about negatively when they are around others who aren't speaking English. In reality, I think it's seldom that exciting.

I think some whites like to focus on a 'divide' between blacks and hispanics (or any other non-white ethnic group) because it validates their own racism. big Media outlets know that one of the products they need to sell to their viewers is a feeling of validation so they cover these bogus stories. I think whites – and I say this as a white person myself – watch/read these stories and figure 'blacks are racist against Mexicans so they're no better than I am!' I know it sounds crazy – not to mention utterly retarded – but I believe it to be true and have heard this sort of rubbish more than once in my life.

I'd like to think there is a more nefarious reason for the coverage (creating division between groups, for example), but I think for the vast majority of the white population that actually make a big deal about this so-called divide, it just makes them feel less bad about their own racism.

Apologies if someone further downthread posted the same thing.

I think some whites like to focus on a 'divide' between blacks and hispanics (or any other non-white ethnic group) because it validates their own racism. big Media outlets know that one of the products they need to sell to their viewers is a feeling of validation so they cover these bogus stories. I think whites – and I say this as a white person myself – watch/read these stories and figure 'blacks are racist against Mexicans so they're no better than I am!' I know it sounds crazy – not to mention utterly retarded – but I believe it to be true and have heard this sort of rubbish more than once in my life.

I'd like to think there is a more nefarious reason for the coverage (creating division between groups, for example), but I think for the vast majority of the white population that actually make a big deal about this so-called divide, it just makes them feel less bad about their own racism.

Apologies if someone further downthread posted the same thing.

I think some whites like to focus on a 'divide' between blacks and hispanics (or any other non-white ethnic group) because it validates their own racism. big Media outlets know that one of the products they need to sell to their viewers is a feeling of validation so they cover these bogus stories. I think whites – and I say this as a white person myself – watch/read these stories and figure 'blacks are racist against Mexicans so they're no better than I am!' I know it sounds crazy – not to mention utterly retarded – but I believe it to be true and have heard this sort of rubbish more than once in my life.

I'd like to think there is a more nefarious reason for the coverage (creating division between groups, for example), but I think for the vast majority of the white population that actually make a big deal about this so-called divide, it just makes them feel less bad about their own racism.

Apologies if someone further downthread posted the same thing.