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		<title>By: Yard Signs</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/beware-of-clinton-opportunists/comment-page-1/#comment-23856</link>
		<dc:creator>Yard Signs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Yard Signs...&lt;/strong&gt;

Need Yard Signs Remember us SIGN DEPOT...</description>
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<p>Need Yard Signs Remember us SIGN DEPOT&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: test &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Beware of Clinton Opportunists!</title>
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		<dc:creator>test &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Beware of Clinton Opportunists!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Clinton Opportunists!    paganpower wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThey cast their vote at the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: msmartin</title>
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		<dc:creator>msmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they don&#039;t think the base is that stupid.... well, maybe some of them are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they don&#39;t think the base is that stupid&#8230;. well, maybe some of them are.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/beware-of-clinton-opportunists/comment-page-1/#comment-160712</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karmi: Yep!</description>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/beware-of-clinton-opportunists/comment-page-1/#comment-160713</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shazza:  I made a similar observation 1 day ago!  Will NEVER TRUST &quot;that woman-Billary&quot;!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shazza:  I made a similar observation 1 day ago!  Will NEVER TRUST &#8220;that woman-Billary&#8221;!!</p>
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		<title>By: msmartin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/beware-of-clinton-opportunists/comment-page-1/#comment-37295</link>
		<dc:creator>msmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they don&#039;t think the base is that stupid.... well, maybe some of them are.</description>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/beware-of-clinton-opportunists/comment-page-1/#comment-37297</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karmi: Yep!</description>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/beware-of-clinton-opportunists/comment-page-1/#comment-37299</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shazza:  I made a similar observation 1 day ago!  Will NEVER TRUST &quot;that woman-Billary&quot;!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shazza:  I made a similar observation 1 day ago!  Will NEVER TRUST &#8220;that woman-Billary&#8221;!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/beware-of-clinton-opportunists/comment-page-1/#comment-37302</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don&#039;t feel the need to donate to his campaign anymore. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;oooh the drama of the public blog declaration of &quot;I am no longer contributing to Senator Obama&#039;s campaign&quot;! It is so moving.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*shrug* &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Every time I read that someone publicly declaring on a blog they are pulling their donations from Senator Obama&#039;s campaign, I am glad for my decision, based on these exact kinds of public declarations, to donate monthly now, whatever amount I can, instead of every so often (not every month by any stretch) like I did before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m sure, from what I have seen and heard, that I am &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; the only one who has decided to respond to this over the top FISA-drama with increased support to try to balance out the people who are making these public declarations. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Plus which, my take is that people who are doing what I am doing aren&#039;t as into making dramatic public declarations on blogs about it and are probably more into just doing  it -- I could be wrong, but there seems to be some value in the public donation-pullers of Teh Public Blog Declaration! as part of the generation of self-righteously rich drama. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I haven&#039;t said anything on blogs about my decision until now, and I likely won&#039;t say anything again. But this is getting on my nerves, the smug self-righteous &quot;look at me! look at meeee! I&#039;m pulling my moneeee&quot; public blog declaration ritual that IMO has little to no actual strategic value in relation to having an actual impact on the direction of Senator Obama&#039;s campaign.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t have a lot of money to give, so maybe the ones publicly blog-declaring they are pulling donations are richer than me. I don&#039;t know, some certainly seem to be pretty well-off to me, talking all about $100 at a time when most of the time I can only do around $10-$20 at a time. But still. I hope somehow it all balances out. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, I want to say this: If ever I get to the point where I have decided for sure that will no longer financially support Senator Obama, I will just -- do it. If ever I get to the point where I have decided for sure that I will not vote for him, I will just -- do it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If such a situation happens for me, I will communicate my decisions directly to the campaign itself as feedback. However, I will not use blog comments to communicate on those kinds of decisions. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is too much room on blogs for the creation of false drama and bullshit, and also too much structural support for the creation of personas and thus use of psy-op type tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don&#39;t feel the need to donate to his campaign anymore. </i></p>
<p>oooh the drama of the public blog declaration of &#8220;I am no longer contributing to Senator Obama&#39;s campaign&#8221;! It is so moving.</p>
<p>*shrug* </p>
<p>Every time I read that someone publicly declaring on a blog they are pulling their donations from Senator Obama&#39;s campaign, I am glad for my decision, based on these exact kinds of public declarations, to donate monthly now, whatever amount I can, instead of every so often (not every month by any stretch) like I did before.</p>
<p>I&#39;m sure, from what I have seen and heard, that I am <b>not</b> the only one who has decided to respond to this over the top FISA-drama with increased support to try to balance out the people who are making these public declarations. </p>
<p>Plus which, my take is that people who are doing what I am doing aren&#39;t as into making dramatic public declarations on blogs about it and are probably more into just doing  it &#8212; I could be wrong, but there seems to be some value in the public donation-pullers of Teh Public Blog Declaration! as part of the generation of self-righteously rich drama. </p>
<p>So I haven&#39;t said anything on blogs about my decision until now, and I likely won&#39;t say anything again. But this is getting on my nerves, the smug self-righteous &#8220;look at me! look at meeee! I&#39;m pulling my moneeee&#8221; public blog declaration ritual that IMO has little to no actual strategic value in relation to having an actual impact on the direction of Senator Obama&#39;s campaign.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t have a lot of money to give, so maybe the ones publicly blog-declaring they are pulling donations are richer than me. I don&#39;t know, some certainly seem to be pretty well-off to me, talking all about $100 at a time when most of the time I can only do around $10-$20 at a time. But still. I hope somehow it all balances out. </p>
<p>Also, I want to say this: If ever I get to the point where I have decided for sure that will no longer financially support Senator Obama, I will just &#8212; do it. If ever I get to the point where I have decided for sure that I will not vote for him, I will just &#8212; do it. </p>
<p>If such a situation happens for me, I will communicate my decisions directly to the campaign itself as feedback. However, I will not use blog comments to communicate on those kinds of decisions. </p>
<p>There is too much room on blogs for the creation of false drama and bullshit, and also too much structural support for the creation of personas and thus use of psy-op type tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: lh</title>
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		<dc:creator>lh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a new take:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe by voting against the FISA bill, Obama is opening the door for a Clinton vice-presidency by making it &quot;easier&quot; for his netroots supporters to support Clinton on the ticket more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s a new take:</p>
<p>Maybe by voting against the FISA bill, Obama is opening the door for a Clinton vice-presidency by making it &#8220;easier&#8221; for his netroots supporters to support Clinton on the ticket more.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary did a &quot;submarine&quot; move on Obama yesterday with her FISA vote. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Originally, both Hillary and Obama voted for cloture.  However, &lt;b&gt;Hillary changed her vote before the tally closed&lt;/b&gt;, opposing cloture and supporting a filibuster.  A little later, she voted against the FISA reform — only one of 28 votes against — while Obama voted for its passage.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hillary is playing to the Dem base...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary did a &#8220;submarine&#8221; move on Obama yesterday with her FISA vote. </p>
<p><i>Originally, both Hillary and Obama voted for cloture.  However, <b>Hillary changed her vote before the tally closed</b>, opposing cloture and supporting a filibuster.  A little later, she voted against the FISA reform — only one of 28 votes against — while Obama voted for its passage.</i></p>
<p>Hillary is playing to the Dem base&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sepia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sepia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that was totally planned.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s really sickening how HRC is doing. In the past, people have told me how dirty the Clintons were but I didn&#039;t believe them. I do now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that was totally planned.</p>
<p>It&#39;s really sickening how HRC is doing. In the past, people have told me how dirty the Clintons were but I didn&#39;t believe them. I do now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sepia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sepia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN!!</description>
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		<title>By: Shazza</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/07/beware-of-clinton-opportunists/comment-page-1/#comment-37298</link>
		<dc:creator>Shazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I noticed that her &#039;internet liason&#039; took the time to post Hillary&#039;s explanation of her FISA vote on Daily Kos and Two Quarters. Most of the posters commended her and expressed buyer&#039;s remorse over Obama. There were quite a few expressing hope that this will come up at the convention  and make HER the nominee.  Considering her diary was posted on a few netroots places, some wondered if this wasn&#039;t a way to swing things her way and encourage the PUMA way of thinking. Someone even said she&#039;d hired a lawyer for her campaign. I&#039;d like to say I&#039;m surprised but I&#039;m not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I noticed that her &#39;internet liason&#39; took the time to post Hillary&#39;s explanation of her FISA vote on Daily Kos and Two Quarters. Most of the posters commended her and expressed buyer&#39;s remorse over Obama. There were quite a few expressing hope that this will come up at the convention  and make HER the nominee.  Considering her diary was posted on a few netroots places, some wondered if this wasn&#39;t a way to swing things her way and encourage the PUMA way of thinking. Someone even said she&#39;d hired a lawyer for her campaign. I&#39;d like to say I&#39;m surprised but I&#39;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: CPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Chris Dodd.  That man never got the coverage he deserved during the campaign; neither did Dennis Kucinich or John Edwards for that matter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The MSM gave us the candidates we got.  And I haven&#039;t forgiven Hillary for her race-baiting, and if Obama ponies up payola for the buckshot she took aim at him with during the primary - much worse, if he puts her on the ticket as VP (cause that has to be the reason the Hillary camp is starting to rise up again) - that, plus his FISA vote and his flipping on Iraq, may well be enough to tank his campaign and allow McCain to win a race he should lose in a landslide.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Democratic Party is the only political party I know that can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  Somehow, when the analysis is done, you&#039;re going to find out that the DLC operatives forced their way right back into this campaign to continue their losing ways and record of having Bill Clinton as the only candidate they ever got elected.  Gore and Kerry started listening to the DLC when they should have told them to go to hell.  Neither one got the White House, and Obama&#039;s hiring ex-Clinton staffers is signaling he&#039;s going the same route and hoping for a different outcome.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s called INSANITY, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Chris Dodd.  That man never got the coverage he deserved during the campaign; neither did Dennis Kucinich or John Edwards for that matter.</p>
<p>The MSM gave us the candidates we got.  And I haven&#39;t forgiven Hillary for her race-baiting, and if Obama ponies up payola for the buckshot she took aim at him with during the primary &#8211; much worse, if he puts her on the ticket as VP (cause that has to be the reason the Hillary camp is starting to rise up again) &#8211; that, plus his FISA vote and his flipping on Iraq, may well be enough to tank his campaign and allow McCain to win a race he should lose in a landslide.</p>
<p>The Democratic Party is the only political party I know that can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  Somehow, when the analysis is done, you&#39;re going to find out that the DLC operatives forced their way right back into this campaign to continue their losing ways and record of having Bill Clinton as the only candidate they ever got elected.  Gore and Kerry started listening to the DLC when they should have told them to go to hell.  Neither one got the White House, and Obama&#39;s hiring ex-Clinton staffers is signaling he&#39;s going the same route and hoping for a different outcome.</p>
<p>That&#39;s called INSANITY, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: DerVandernderyid</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerVandernderyid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad that Obama voted for the FISA bill.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now that he took a big fat deuce on the 4th Amendment, I don&#039;t feel the need to donate to his campaign anymore.  More money for me.  Less money for bald-faced liars.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But ya, Hillary doesn&#039;t care about FISA.  It&#039;s just a chance for her to score some cheap points.  The only person in the Senate that actually cares a damn about civil liberties is Russ Feingold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m so glad that Obama voted for the FISA bill.</p>
<p>Now that he took a big fat deuce on the 4th Amendment, I don&#39;t feel the need to donate to his campaign anymore.  More money for me.  Less money for bald-faced liars.</p>
<p>But ya, Hillary doesn&#39;t care about FISA.  It&#39;s just a chance for her to score some cheap points.  The only person in the Senate that actually cares a damn about civil liberties is Russ Feingold.</p>
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		<title>By: micheline</title>
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		<dc:creator>micheline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is about getting back at Obama. Her donors feel that Obama was responsible for HRC&#039;s situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is about getting back at Obama. Her donors feel that Obama was responsible for HRC&#39;s situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Tidbits: July 10, 2008 &#171; Roadkill Refugee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Tidbits: July 10, 2008 &#171; Roadkill Refugee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Should the Obama campaign remain wary of former Hillarylanders? For the most part, I think not. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: test &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Beware of Clinton Opportunists!</title>
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		<dc:creator>test &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Beware of Clinton Opportunists!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AnonymousOpinion wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThey cast their vote at the Convention in August which means Hillary Clinton’s “suspended” campaign could be reinstated. (Because, Oh, Yes She Can!) Of course, this reality is probably why the Republicans have remained mostly silent &#8230;   Read the rest of this great post here [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] AnonymousOpinion wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThey cast their vote at the Convention in August which means Hillary Clinton’s “suspended” campaign could be reinstated. (Because, Oh, Yes She Can!) Of course, this reality is probably why the Republicans have remained mostly silent &#8230;   Read the rest of this great post here [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My new WordPress MU Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Beware of Clinton Opportunists!</title>
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		<dc:creator>My new WordPress MU Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Beware of Clinton Opportunists!</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Amanda Scott wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThey cast their vote at the Convention in August which means Hillary Clinton’s “suspended” campaign could be reinstated. (Because, Oh, Yes She Can!) Of course, this reality is probably why the Republicans have remained mostly silent &#8230; [...]</description>
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