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		<title>By: andrewwang</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrewwang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American people trust that Obama shall effectively deal with the Afghanistan issues.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LONG LIVE PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama is a racial-minority individual and does not like racism:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know it may be hard to believe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, it is absolutely true that Ronald Wilson Reagan committed horrible, racist, hate crimes during his presidency.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;A lot of people know about Reagan’s infamy.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;And a lot of people will know about Reagan’s infamy—even until the end of human existence: they’ll find out.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Numbers 32:23: “Be sure your sins will find you out.” &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Respectfully Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang, J.D. Candidate&lt;br&gt;B.S., With the Highest Level of Academic Honors at Graduation, 1996&lt;br&gt;Messiah College, Grantham, PA&lt;br&gt;Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(I can type 90 words per minute, and there are thousands of copies on the Internet indicating the content of this post. And there are thousands of copies in very many countries around the world.)&lt;br&gt;_________________&lt;br&gt;‘If only there could be a ban against invention that bottled up memory like scent &amp; it never faded &amp; it never got stale.’ It came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American people trust that Obama shall effectively deal with the Afghanistan issues.</p>
<p>LONG LIVE PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA!</p>
<p>Obama is a racial-minority individual and does not like racism:</p>
<p>I know it may be hard to believe.</p>
<p>However, it is absolutely true that Ronald Wilson Reagan committed horrible, racist, hate crimes during his presidency.</p>
<p>A lot of people know about Reagan’s infamy.</p>
<p>And a lot of people will know about Reagan’s infamy—even until the end of human existence: they’ll find out.</p>
<p>Numbers 32:23: “Be sure your sins will find you out.” </p>
<p>Respectfully Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang, J.D. Candidate<br />B.S., With the Highest Level of Academic Honors at Graduation, 1996<br />Messiah College, Grantham, PA<br />Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993</p>
<p>(I can type 90 words per minute, and there are thousands of copies on the Internet indicating the content of this post. And there are thousands of copies in very many countries around the world.)<br />_________________<br />‘If only there could be a ban against invention that bottled up memory like scent &#038; it never faded &#038; it never got stale.’ It came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Meet the Bloggers with Rachel Maddow on Afghanistan - The Seminal :: Independent Media and Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meet the Bloggers with Rachel Maddow on Afghanistan - The Seminal :: Independent Media and Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dcfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eradicating the only cash crop of v. poor farmers (&quot;stamp out opium production&quot;) doesn&#039;t seem like a great way to win the cooperation needed in order rout the Taliben.</description>
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		<title>By: dcfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eradicating the only cash crop of v. poor farmers (&quot;stamp out opium production&quot;) doesn&#039;t seem like a great way to win the cooperation needed in order rout the Taliben.</description>
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		<title>By: dcfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eradicating the only cash crop of v. poor farmers (&quot;stamp out opium production&quot;) doesn&#039;t seem like a great way to win the cooperation needed in order rout the Taliben.</description>
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		<title>By: dcfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eradicating the only cash crop of v. poor farmers (&quot;stamp out opium production&quot;) doesn&#039;t seem like a great way to win the cooperation needed in order rout the Taliben.</description>
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		<title>By: dcfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eradicating the only cash crop of v. poor farmers (&quot;stamp out opium production&quot;) doesn&#039;t seem like a great way to win the cooperation needed in order rout the Taliben.</description>
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		<title>By: dcfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Justin Pugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Pugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Veteran that just returned from Afghanistan 2 months ago. I was stationed in the Eastern Zone of Afghanistan where where nearly 40% of the violence in Afghanistan took place. It is my assessment after spending close to 10 months in the region that putting 3-4 thousand more troops in the Peche River Valley would not only put the fear of God in the Taliban, but would give us total tactical control in the valley. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now we already have tactical control over the valley, but that is strictly from Air Support and the ability to control the high ground. However within the Valley Region in the East we need more troops on the ground to draw the taliban out of the local villages. Putting 3-4 thousand more troops in the Valley would give the U.S. complete and total control of the ground war in the Eastern Zone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wasn&#039;t deployed to the south near Helman and Patika, but most of my company who did get stationed in the south would agree, that place more troops in the southern zone would help with the ground war.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Air Force and Army Air Support is awesome. Those guys do a spectacular job with securing the high points and giving us air support during major operations. The Air Force and Army do a great job on that front, but we need at least another 20-30 thousand in Afghanistan. I want to go back, because I believe in that mission. We can actually claim victory in Afghanistan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you would like to send care packages to troops in Afghanistan shoot me an email at &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:justinlpugh@gmail.com&quot;&gt;justinlpugh@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt; to I can give you the address for troops working hard to defend not only our freedom, but the freedom of those in Afghanistan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry if the post seemed rushed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Veteran that just returned from Afghanistan 2 months ago. I was stationed in the Eastern Zone of Afghanistan where where nearly 40% of the violence in Afghanistan took place. It is my assessment after spending close to 10 months in the region that putting 3-4 thousand more troops in the Peche River Valley would not only put the fear of God in the Taliban, but would give us total tactical control in the valley. </p>
<p>Now we already have tactical control over the valley, but that is strictly from Air Support and the ability to control the high ground. However within the Valley Region in the East we need more troops on the ground to draw the taliban out of the local villages. Putting 3-4 thousand more troops in the Valley would give the U.S. complete and total control of the ground war in the Eastern Zone.</p>
<p>I wasn&#39;t deployed to the south near Helman and Patika, but most of my company who did get stationed in the south would agree, that place more troops in the southern zone would help with the ground war.</p>
<p>The Air Force and Army Air Support is awesome. Those guys do a spectacular job with securing the high points and giving us air support during major operations. The Air Force and Army do a great job on that front, but we need at least another 20-30 thousand in Afghanistan. I want to go back, because I believe in that mission. We can actually claim victory in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;</p>
<p>If you would like to send care packages to troops in Afghanistan shoot me an email at <a href="mailto:justinlpugh@gmail.com">justinlpugh@gmail.com</a> to I can give you the address for troops working hard to defend not only our freedom, but the freedom of those in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Sorry if the post seemed rushed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyMason</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyMason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people getting blown the fkc up in Afghanistan HAD NOTHING to do with 911.  Of all the highjackers, none were from Afghanistan.  Of course you wouldnt want to attack saudi arabia; u wont be able to drive your car, and ur american way of life will fall into pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people getting blown the fkc up in Afghanistan HAD NOTHING to do with 911.  Of all the highjackers, none were from Afghanistan.  Of course you wouldnt want to attack saudi arabia; u wont be able to drive your car, and ur american way of life will fall into pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The true solution is to move CENTCOM forward to the Middle East. That gets into the discussion on permanent basing....which I&#039;m not going to even address in this forum (not worth the time or effort to have an intellectual discussion on here).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Violence in Iraq will continue whether we&#039;re there or not. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much &quot;blow up&quot; potential in Afghanistan anymore, as it will quiet down like it normally does. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I actually think we need a larger humanitarian effort there, as opposed to a bigger military footprint. We can bomb Afghanistan flat and it won&#039;t make that much of a difference (there&#039;s not so much infrastructure there that we can&#039;t quickly rebuild), but if we go bombing poppy fields and not replacing them with something the farmers can benefit from, we&#039;ll have the Iraqi insurgency again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The true solution is to move CENTCOM forward to the Middle East. That gets into the discussion on permanent basing&#8230;.which I&#39;m not going to even address in this forum (not worth the time or effort to have an intellectual discussion on here).</p>
<p>Violence in Iraq will continue whether we&#39;re there or not. I don&#39;t think there&#39;s much &#8220;blow up&#8221; potential in Afghanistan anymore, as it will quiet down like it normally does. </p>
<p>I actually think we need a larger humanitarian effort there, as opposed to a bigger military footprint. We can bomb Afghanistan flat and it won&#39;t make that much of a difference (there&#39;s not so much infrastructure there that we can&#39;t quickly rebuild), but if we go bombing poppy fields and not replacing them with something the farmers can benefit from, we&#39;ll have the Iraqi insurgency again.</p>
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		<title>By: TRW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, no, I think we are in total agreement by your first point.  I have been really frustrated by some anti-war people on the left stamping their feet at Obama because of his position on Afghanistan.  It&#039;s like hello?  Did you really think that all of the troops were really just going to come home and stay with another major conflict going on?  I don&#039;t want our troops to be over there as much as the next person, but I think people need to be more realistic.  So yeah I agree, the Iraq/Afghanistan swap off is/was inevitable, and for some who believed that Obama really is about Kumbuyah and holding hands, then they have not been paying attention.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I also agree with you on your second point.  I guess I&#039;m just wondering why both of these conflicts were so poorly executed/planned. and I think it is the fact that people in the Bush administration thought this was going to be an easy victory (whatever that means).  I think some people, i.e. Rumsfeld, thought that this thing would be wrapped up in six months or so.  I think that if anybody would have suggested that we would have the same troop presence in Iraq that we do now, they would have been laughed out of the room.  So yeah, that&#039;s what makes me angry.  If you are going to topple a leader and take over a country, you need to at least have a realistic idea of what you are getting yourself into, and its clear that they didn&#039;t.  They underestimated the political/cultural tension in the country, and we are paying dearly for it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But my whole point is, what do we do now?  I think whoever is going to be President in the next term is going to be screwed either way.  I think the violence in Iraq will continue because a) they don&#039;t want us to be there, and b) people are struggling to get power so they will try to get rid of their enemies, which means our leaving will put certain groups at risk.  And, I also think it is a toss up in Afghanistan.  even if we get more troops over there, it still has the potential to blow up in our faces.  I&#039;m just depressed by our prospects all around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, no, I think we are in total agreement by your first point.  I have been really frustrated by some anti-war people on the left stamping their feet at Obama because of his position on Afghanistan.  It&#39;s like hello?  Did you really think that all of the troops were really just going to come home and stay with another major conflict going on?  I don&#39;t want our troops to be over there as much as the next person, but I think people need to be more realistic.  So yeah I agree, the Iraq/Afghanistan swap off is/was inevitable, and for some who believed that Obama really is about Kumbuyah and holding hands, then they have not been paying attention.  </p>
<p>And I also agree with you on your second point.  I guess I&#39;m just wondering why both of these conflicts were so poorly executed/planned. and I think it is the fact that people in the Bush administration thought this was going to be an easy victory (whatever that means).  I think some people, i.e. Rumsfeld, thought that this thing would be wrapped up in six months or so.  I think that if anybody would have suggested that we would have the same troop presence in Iraq that we do now, they would have been laughed out of the room.  So yeah, that&#39;s what makes me angry.  If you are going to topple a leader and take over a country, you need to at least have a realistic idea of what you are getting yourself into, and its clear that they didn&#39;t.  They underestimated the political/cultural tension in the country, and we are paying dearly for it.  </p>
<p>But my whole point is, what do we do now?  I think whoever is going to be President in the next term is going to be screwed either way.  I think the violence in Iraq will continue because a) they don&#39;t want us to be there, and b) people are struggling to get power so they will try to get rid of their enemies, which means our leaving will put certain groups at risk.  And, I also think it is a toss up in Afghanistan.  even if we get more troops over there, it still has the potential to blow up in our faces.  I&#39;m just depressed by our prospects all around.</p>
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		<title>By: Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;London, Madrid, and lets not forget Pakistan. Pakistani civilians have paid a high price for being forced to fight this war while the US drops bombs from the sky.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To my knowledge, the US have never dropped a single bomb on Pakistan.  Our troops have not been allowed (to cross into Paskistani territory) beyond Tora Tora, as far as I know.  Let&#039;s get our fact straight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;During the primaries, Barack was lambasted for suggesting that he would go into Pakistan to capture/kill BIn Laden--and I&#039;m still applauding him on that declaration.&lt;br&gt;Bush, McCain and Clinton criticized him for being too much of a hawk and not understanding the precarious position that Musharraf was facing due to the extremists in his country.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am an intellectual.  I like to think that I can &quot;process grey, and multi-faceted issues,&quot; too...but sometimes, you do not have to be an intellectual to address issues like these issues.  All an issue like this requires is common sense.  The answer is simple, &quot;You attack us, you will get ganked--we will hunt you to the ends of the earth.  If martyrdom is what you seek, you will receive it.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t get me wrong, I feel your concerns about American hegemony and Jeremiah Wright&#039;s postulating &quot;We brought this on ourselves,&quot; but at the end of the day, THERE IS NO EXCUSE for 9/11.  Call it what you want: &quot;War on Terror,&quot; &quot;Rightgeous Jihad,&quot; call it whatever you want.  I&#039;m never gonna sit back and say that we deserved to see people jumping off of buildings.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like John Kerry tried to do in 2004, you can reduce &quot;9/11&quot; to a criminal act--deserving a policing/CIA style action more so than a military/war activity against a nation state...I&#039;m FINE with that too.  This remains unfinished business--I don&#039;t care how it&#039;s handled, but it&#039;s still got to be handled.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not for dropping bombs on innocent civilians...I am for capturing or killing Osama Bin Laden (and the Al Qaeda Leadership).  It&#039;s no different than the way that Simon Wiesenthal and the Nazi Hunters are still scouring South America for concentration camp -Gestapho types who escaped Germany after WWII (sixty years later).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;History demands that we close this chapter--whether you like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>London, Madrid, and lets not forget Pakistan. Pakistani civilians have paid a high price for being forced to fight this war while the US drops bombs from the sky.</i></p>
<p>To my knowledge, the US have never dropped a single bomb on Pakistan.  Our troops have not been allowed (to cross into Paskistani territory) beyond Tora Tora, as far as I know.  Let&#39;s get our fact straight.</p>
<p>During the primaries, Barack was lambasted for suggesting that he would go into Pakistan to capture/kill BIn Laden&#8211;and I&#39;m still applauding him on that declaration.<br />Bush, McCain and Clinton criticized him for being too much of a hawk and not understanding the precarious position that Musharraf was facing due to the extremists in his country.</p>
<p>I am an intellectual.  I like to think that I can &#8220;process grey, and multi-faceted issues,&#8221; too&#8230;but sometimes, you do not have to be an intellectual to address issues like these issues.  All an issue like this requires is common sense.  The answer is simple, &#8220;You attack us, you will get ganked&#8211;we will hunt you to the ends of the earth.  If martyrdom is what you seek, you will receive it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#39;t get me wrong, I feel your concerns about American hegemony and Jeremiah Wright&#39;s postulating &#8220;We brought this on ourselves,&#8221; but at the end of the day, THERE IS NO EXCUSE for 9/11.  Call it what you want: &#8220;War on Terror,&#8221; &#8220;Rightgeous Jihad,&#8221; call it whatever you want.  I&#39;m never gonna sit back and say that we deserved to see people jumping off of buildings.  </p>
<p>Like John Kerry tried to do in 2004, you can reduce &#8220;9/11&#8243; to a criminal act&#8211;deserving a policing/CIA style action more so than a military/war activity against a nation state&#8230;I&#39;m FINE with that too.  This remains unfinished business&#8211;I don&#39;t care how it&#39;s handled, but it&#39;s still got to be handled.</p>
<p>I am not for dropping bombs on innocent civilians&#8230;I am for capturing or killing Osama Bin Laden (and the Al Qaeda Leadership).  It&#39;s no different than the way that Simon Wiesenthal and the Nazi Hunters are still scouring South America for concentration camp -Gestapho types who escaped Germany after WWII (sixty years later).  </p>
<p>History demands that we close this chapter&#8211;whether you like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see what you&#039;re saying, and agree in part. Though, if that&#039;s the cause, we probably should&#039;ve dusted off a nuke for Afghanistan. I think 3,000 deaths meets the threshold for &quot;mass destruction.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But THAT would have made us no new friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you&#39;re saying, and agree in part. Though, if that&#39;s the cause, we probably should&#39;ve dusted off a nuke for Afghanistan. I think 3,000 deaths meets the threshold for &#8220;mass destruction.&#8221;</p>
<p>But THAT would have made us no new friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my reply is further down...had to get verified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my reply is further down&#8230;had to get verified.</p>
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		<title>By: goc</title>
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		<dc:creator>goc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what&#039;s the ***king purpose of being a superpower if you can not deter nation-states, terrorist groups or individuals from attacking you.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chasing down Bin Laden in  Afghanistan is hardly gonna stop people from attacking the US. This dont-mess-with-us-or-we&#039;ll-anhilliate-you mentality is precise;y why the US is between a rock and a hard place. Al-qaeda is a symptom of the problem facing the US: global hegemony and disregard for other peoples right to sovereignty is exactly why people like Al-qaeda want to attack the US. Stop propping up dictators in Saudi Arabia. Stop vetoing every UN resolution that attempts to determine Palestinian right to a state. Stop assasinating leaders in third world countries. Stop BOMBING civilians!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;war on terror&quot; is a horrible misnomer. Terrorism mind you, is a tool used to fight wars not an object of defeat. Conventional military solutions are completely misdirected in Afghanistan. And the greatest hypocrisy of this &quot;war on terror&quot; is that if anything it has given Al-Qaeda their greatest recruitment tool ever. While the US might not have faced an attack after 9/11 your allies in this &quot;war&quot; have suffered horribly. London, Madrid,  and lets not forget Pakistan. Pakistani civilians have paid a high price for being forced to fight this war while the US drops bombs from the sky.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I honestly believe (out of desperation) that Obama has to buy into the &quot;war on terror&quot; rhetoric but his political history and his nuanced understanding of political issues lead me to believe that he realizes the futility of a military solution. His popularity abroad is not because hes young. or black or speaks really well as the MSM would have you believe. It&#039;s because he actually has a brain that can process grey, and multi-faceted issues. You should work on that. I am very glad you are not president of the US (though the current one is no better).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what&#39;s the ***king purpose of being a superpower if you can not deter nation-states, terrorist groups or individuals from attacking you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chasing down Bin Laden in  Afghanistan is hardly gonna stop people from attacking the US. This dont-mess-with-us-or-we&#39;ll-anhilliate-you mentality is precise;y why the US is between a rock and a hard place. Al-qaeda is a symptom of the problem facing the US: global hegemony and disregard for other peoples right to sovereignty is exactly why people like Al-qaeda want to attack the US. Stop propping up dictators in Saudi Arabia. Stop vetoing every UN resolution that attempts to determine Palestinian right to a state. Stop assasinating leaders in third world countries. Stop BOMBING civilians!!</p>
<p>The &#8220;war on terror&#8221; is a horrible misnomer. Terrorism mind you, is a tool used to fight wars not an object of defeat. Conventional military solutions are completely misdirected in Afghanistan. And the greatest hypocrisy of this &#8220;war on terror&#8221; is that if anything it has given Al-Qaeda their greatest recruitment tool ever. While the US might not have faced an attack after 9/11 your allies in this &#8220;war&#8221; have suffered horribly. London, Madrid,  and lets not forget Pakistan. Pakistani civilians have paid a high price for being forced to fight this war while the US drops bombs from the sky.</p>
<p>I honestly believe (out of desperation) that Obama has to buy into the &#8220;war on terror&#8221; rhetoric but his political history and his nuanced understanding of political issues lead me to believe that he realizes the futility of a military solution. His popularity abroad is not because hes young. or black or speaks really well as the MSM would have you believe. It&#39;s because he actually has a brain that can process grey, and multi-faceted issues. You should work on that. I am very glad you are not president of the US (though the current one is no better).</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not what I&#039;m saying at all. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The first thing is that because of the deployment cycle for Iraq, ultimately a unit will leave there and-probably within a few months of returning stateside-be tapped for duty in Afghanistan. That&#039;s just the nature of the beast, and it would happen regardless of who&#039;s president. So for people to get upset about an &quot;Iraq for Afghanistan troop swap (as Jack put it)&quot; is really a waste of time.....because essentially, that&#039;s exactly what it will be.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, it would happen with McCain, Obama, Barr, or McKinney (hell, or with Nader).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The second thing I&#039;m saying is that the uptick in violence is something that goes on every year during this time....but it&#039;s always reported as a &quot;Taliban resurgence.&quot; &quot;Taliban thawout&quot; is probably more accurate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The US military once operated on the premise that we could fight two major wars at the same time (mostly during the buildup in the 80&#039;s). That changed during the 90&#039;s (and I will leave the partisianship out of it). We can&#039;t do that now; that&#039;s a fact, and anyone who can&#039;t acknowledge that is stupid. Pre-Iraq, could we? Not sure, but no one intended for Iraq to be a major war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not what I&#39;m saying at all. </p>
<p>The first thing is that because of the deployment cycle for Iraq, ultimately a unit will leave there and-probably within a few months of returning stateside-be tapped for duty in Afghanistan. That&#39;s just the nature of the beast, and it would happen regardless of who&#39;s president. So for people to get upset about an &#8220;Iraq for Afghanistan troop swap (as Jack put it)&#8221; is really a waste of time&#8230;..because essentially, that&#39;s exactly what it will be.</p>
<p>Again, it would happen with McCain, Obama, Barr, or McKinney (hell, or with Nader).</p>
<p>The second thing I&#39;m saying is that the uptick in violence is something that goes on every year during this time&#8230;.but it&#39;s always reported as a &#8220;Taliban resurgence.&#8221; &#8220;Taliban thawout&#8221; is probably more accurate.</p>
<p>The US military once operated on the premise that we could fight two major wars at the same time (mostly during the buildup in the 80&#39;s). That changed during the 90&#39;s (and I will leave the partisianship out of it). We can&#39;t do that now; that&#39;s a fact, and anyone who can&#39;t acknowledge that is stupid. Pre-Iraq, could we? Not sure, but no one intended for Iraq to be a major war.</p>
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		<title>By: Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Macho? No--this is common sense.  If I were President of the United States, I would not be able to sleep at night knowing that Osama Bin Laden is still freely roaming around in some corner of the world...and I strongly believe that Barack Obama shares this mindset.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any nation that harbors Bin Laden (and Al Qaeda leadership)  would need to fear the onslaught of every weapon this nation possesses...what&#039;s the ***king purpose of being a superpower if you can not deter nation-states, terrorist groups or individuals from attacking you?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is not about being macho...this is about seeing human beings leap from 100-story buildings, falling to their deaths rather than suffering through a burning inferno of jet fuel...it&#039;s about human flesh disintegrating in the collapse of those towers.  I have not forgotten, nor will I ever forget it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not about to allow Bush&#039;s war in Iraq distract from the underlying, unfinished business that this country faces with the culprits of 9/11.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s like Pearl Harbor happened and we&#039;ve just ignored the Japanese for nearly seven years, wasting lives and resources in an ill-conceived war that has greatly damaged our alliances.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The world would have &quot;had our backs&quot; if we had stayed true to the key objective--the total annihilation of Al Qaeda--even if it meant chasing Bin Laden into Pakistan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for invading Saudi Arabia?  Sure, the price of gas would be $20-a-gallon, but If Bin Laden were being harbored by Saudi Arabia, abso-__ing-lutely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macho? No&#8211;this is common sense.  If I were President of the United States, I would not be able to sleep at night knowing that Osama Bin Laden is still freely roaming around in some corner of the world&#8230;and I strongly believe that Barack Obama shares this mindset.  </p>
<p>Any nation that harbors Bin Laden (and Al Qaeda leadership)  would need to fear the onslaught of every weapon this nation possesses&#8230;what&#39;s the ***king purpose of being a superpower if you can not deter nation-states, terrorist groups or individuals from attacking you?</p>
<p>This is not about being macho&#8230;this is about seeing human beings leap from 100-story buildings, falling to their deaths rather than suffering through a burning inferno of jet fuel&#8230;it&#39;s about human flesh disintegrating in the collapse of those towers.  I have not forgotten, nor will I ever forget it.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not about to allow Bush&#39;s war in Iraq distract from the underlying, unfinished business that this country faces with the culprits of 9/11.  </p>
<p>It&#39;s like Pearl Harbor happened and we&#39;ve just ignored the Japanese for nearly seven years, wasting lives and resources in an ill-conceived war that has greatly damaged our alliances.  </p>
<p>The world would have &#8220;had our backs&#8221; if we had stayed true to the key objective&#8211;the total annihilation of Al Qaeda&#8211;even if it meant chasing Bin Laden into Pakistan.</p>
<p>As for invading Saudi Arabia?  Sure, the price of gas would be $20-a-gallon, but If Bin Laden were being harbored by Saudi Arabia, abso-__ing-lutely.</p>
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		<title>By: rawdawgbuffalo</title>
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		<dc:creator>rawdawgbuffalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the ans is &lt;a href=&#039;http://rawdawgb.blogspot.com/2008/07/kabul-b4-december.html&#039;&gt;kabul b4 december&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ans is <a href=&#39;http://rawdawgb.blogspot.com/2008/07/kabul-b4-december.html&#39;>kabul b4 december</a></p>
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		<title>By: TRW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D, what about the fact that they took troops from Afghanistan to put them in Iraq to fight the war.  Are you saying that that strategy was effective and worked?  Are you saying that it was better to take our concentration from what was going on in Afghanistan and instead concentrate on Iraq?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And what is it with people and this surge?  I really want Obama to start wearing a, &quot;the surge worked&quot; t-shirt so people in lala land can stop getting their panties in a bunch.  Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but, I believe Obama&#039;s whole argument is that we should have kept our focus on Afghanistan, to begin with instead of going to war in Iraq, and we need additional troops there to finish what we started.  I think that it is questionable whether we will be able to, but are you trying to suggest that we should continue what we have been doing for the past couple of years? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m just trying to understand your reasoning, other than the fact that you don&#039;t think Obama knows what he is talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D, what about the fact that they took troops from Afghanistan to put them in Iraq to fight the war.  Are you saying that that strategy was effective and worked?  Are you saying that it was better to take our concentration from what was going on in Afghanistan and instead concentrate on Iraq?  </p>
<p>And what is it with people and this surge?  I really want Obama to start wearing a, &#8220;the surge worked&#8221; t-shirt so people in lala land can stop getting their panties in a bunch.  Correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but, I believe Obama&#39;s whole argument is that we should have kept our focus on Afghanistan, to begin with instead of going to war in Iraq, and we need additional troops there to finish what we started.  I think that it is questionable whether we will be able to, but are you trying to suggest that we should continue what we have been doing for the past couple of years? </p>
<p>I&#39;m just trying to understand your reasoning, other than the fact that you don&#39;t think Obama knows what he is talking about.</p>
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