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		<title>By: AAW</title>
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		<dc:creator>AAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve wanted to scream at my TV many number of times when I see the dissection of Michelle Obama by Media pundits especially from the women.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One of the reasons I dedicated a few of my blogs to the cofounding way the media treats her.  I can tell that either majority of these white pundits have no educated black woman friends or are just oblivious to other race perceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve wanted to scream at my TV many number of times when I see the dissection of Michelle Obama by Media pundits especially from the women.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I dedicated a few of my blogs to the cofounding way the media treats her.  I can tell that either majority of these white pundits have no educated black woman friends or are just oblivious to other race perceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN to nmp:  Let&#039;s add stephanie &quot;I made a half-hearted endorsement of Mr. Obama, but, I still wish so very much that I could have gotten the opportunity to move from the &quot;field&quot; into the &quot;house&quot; wif &quot;missy billary&quot; Tubbs Jones and sheila &quot;yeah, me an&#039; steph had planned to be &#039;roomies in the basement in the &quot;house&quot; &#039;til we was needed in the kitchen, etc. what a bummer! Jackson Lee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN to nmp:  Let&#8217;s add stephanie &#8220;I made a half-hearted endorsement of Mr. Obama, but, I still wish so very much that I could have gotten the opportunity to move from the &#8220;field&#8221; into the &#8220;house&#8221; wif &#8220;missy billary&#8221; Tubbs Jones and sheila &#8220;yeah, me an&#8217; steph had planned to be &#8216;roomies in the basement in the &#8220;house&#8221; &#8217;til we was needed in the kitchen, etc. what a bummer! Jackson Lee.</p>
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		<title>By: Nita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anonymous said... &lt;i&gt;&quot;There seems to be a pattern of the Republicans and their henchmen attacking the Democratic nominee&#039;s wife -- no matter who she is. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Republicans aren&#039;t the problem here.  So-called Democrats and so-called Feminists are.  One expects slings and arrows from one&#039;s enemies --&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;the real test is where one&#039;s &#039;friends&#039; are.  And those &#039;friends&#039; are absent.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Angela, thank you for the column.  Town, WORD to both of your posts. Required reading.  Jed, you don&#039;t want to see, so there&#039;s no opening your eyes until you open them yourself.  NMP, remember what Malcolm said about that type of thing?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sara, intensity is everything -- and it just ain&#039;t there for Michelle, as it continues to be for Hillary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonymous said&#8230; <i>&#8220;There seems to be a pattern of the Republicans and their henchmen attacking the Democratic nominee&#8217;s wife &#8212; no matter who she is. &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Republicans aren&#8217;t the problem here.  So-called Democrats and so-called Feminists are.  One expects slings and arrows from one&#8217;s enemies &#8211;</p>
<p>the real test is where one&#8217;s &#8216;friends&#8217; are.  And those &#8216;friends&#8217; are absent.</p>
<p>Angela, thank you for the column.  Town, WORD to both of your posts. Required reading.  Jed, you don&#8217;t want to see, so there&#8217;s no opening your eyes until you open them yourself.  NMP, remember what Malcolm said about that type of thing?</p>
<p>Sara, intensity is everything &#8212; and it just ain&#8217;t there for Michelle, as it continues to be for Hillary.</p>
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		<title>By: Names4things</title>
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		<dc:creator>Names4things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a feminist, womanist, or hatever you want to call those of us who struggle for black women; and have been for decades, and I am black. I am married to a black man, happily, and for a loong time. I am feminist in response to the EXTREME masculinism of black men. Most black men have demonstrated and/or declared by their actions and their cultural afiliations that black women are the enemy to them.  It has broken my heart.&lt;br/&gt;Mine is not a sisterhood with the racist white women that constitute so much of what so many of you call &quot;mainstream feminists&quot;.  They are neither-- mainstream, nor feminist. They&#039;re privileged white women with outsized entitlement pathologies. You couldn&#039;t find one of those biyotches for years (a woman claiming she&#039;s &#039;feminist&#039;), until Monster falsely claimed it by campaigning on her skank husband&#039;s resume. &lt;br/&gt;Take a harder look at what we say to each other and how it&#039;s said. There is not a goddammed thing wrong with a black woman claiming- demanding equality. There is everything wrong with our serial slandering, libel, murders, rapes, and denials of its impact.&lt;br/&gt;My sisterhood is with brothers. You&#039;re not my brother if you believe the casual blackwoman hate in so many cultural mores is acceptable to you. &lt;br/&gt;This thread is one of the least informed I&#039;ve ever seen here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a feminist, womanist, or hatever you want to call those of us who struggle for black women; and have been for decades, and I am black. I am married to a black man, happily, and for a loong time. I am feminist in response to the EXTREME masculinism of black men. Most black men have demonstrated and/or declared by their actions and their cultural afiliations that black women are the enemy to them.  It has broken my heart.<br />Mine is not a sisterhood with the racist white women that constitute so much of what so many of you call &#8220;mainstream feminists&#8221;.  They are neither&#8211; mainstream, nor feminist. They&#8217;re privileged white women with outsized entitlement pathologies. You couldn&#8217;t find one of those biyotches for years (a woman claiming she&#8217;s &#8216;feminist&#8217;), until Monster falsely claimed it by campaigning on her skank husband&#8217;s resume. <br />Take a harder look at what we say to each other and how it&#8217;s said. There is not a goddammed thing wrong with a black woman claiming- demanding equality. There is everything wrong with our serial slandering, libel, murders, rapes, and denials of its impact.<br />My sisterhood is with brothers. You&#8217;re not my brother if you believe the casual blackwoman hate in so many cultural mores is acceptable to you. <br />This thread is one of the least informed I&#8217;ve ever seen here.</p>
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		<title>By: The Christian Progressive Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Christian Progressive Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Tim Wise said, &quot;Their Whitness is Showing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Tim Wise said, &#8220;Their Whitness is Showing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad an earlier commenter mentioned shakesville--wish the poster had. There have been plenty of white feminist bloggers defending Obama, including Adele Stan, who replied to Linda Hirshman&#039;s piece commented on above, as well as Kathy G., maha, pre-blog feminist Katha Pollitt recently--I can&#039;t even scratch the surface. More generally, the whole left blogosphere has been calling out  gender-based attacks on both democratic contenders, whether it&#039;s  the masculization of Hillary or the feminization of Obama and Edwards? Do the blogs count? I&#039;m sure their silence would&#039;ve been &quot;instructive.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad an earlier commenter mentioned shakesville&#8211;wish the poster had. There have been plenty of white feminist bloggers defending Obama, including Adele Stan, who replied to Linda Hirshman&#8217;s piece commented on above, as well as Kathy G., maha, pre-blog feminist Katha Pollitt recently&#8211;I can&#8217;t even scratch the surface. More generally, the whole left blogosphere has been calling out  gender-based attacks on both democratic contenders, whether it&#8217;s  the masculization of Hillary or the feminization of Obama and Edwards? Do the blogs count? I&#8217;m sure their silence would&#8217;ve been &#8220;instructive.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was AWESOME!!!! Well said and well written. The feminist movement is not about black women and it never has been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was AWESOME!!!! Well said and well written. The feminist movement is not about black women and it never has been.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a pattern of the Republicans and their henchmen attacking the Democratic nominee&#039;s wife -- no matter who she is.  The villification of Hillary by the Republicans started when Bill was running.  (Of course, she&#039;s since demonstrated that she richly deserved it.) But remember the stuff they said about Teresa Heinz Kerry?  Remember the rumor that there was a picture of Kitty Dukakis burning the flag?  The &quot;Whitey&quot; smear continues this pattern.  Of course, there&#039;s now the racial angle, so the smears are many, many fold worse, but this is not a new tactic by the Republicans (and their sock puppets.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a pattern of the Republicans and their henchmen attacking the Democratic nominee&#8217;s wife &#8212; no matter who she is.  The villification of Hillary by the Republicans started when Bill was running.  (Of course, she&#8217;s since demonstrated that she richly deserved it.) But remember the stuff they said about Teresa Heinz Kerry?  Remember the rumor that there was a picture of Kitty Dukakis burning the flag?  The &#8220;Whitey&#8221; smear continues this pattern.  Of course, there&#8217;s now the racial angle, so the smears are many, many fold worse, but this is not a new tactic by the Republicans (and their sock puppets.)</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from www.seattlemedium.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Michelle Obama: Ain&#039;t She A Woman?&lt;br/&gt;by Gary L. Flowers&lt;br/&gt;NNPA Columnist&lt;br/&gt;Originally posted 6/24/2008 &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sororal treatment has linked Sojourner Truth and Michelle Obama in history.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In 1843, a domestic servant in up-state New York whose given name was Isabella Van Wagenen changed her birth name to one that would reflect her mission in life - Sojourner Truth. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Her life&#039;s journey would lead her to be revered for her stature, intellect, and fearlessness. Like Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth was one the first Black feminists to publicly assert that Black women should be viewed as total human beings. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In other words, within the Black community there are women; and within the feminist movement, there are Black women. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As an abolitionist and an itinerant Pentecostal preacher, Ms. Truth was invited to the 1851 Women&#039;s Conference in Akron, Ohio. According to Frances Gage, a White abolitionist and president of the conference, as Sojourner Truth rose to approach the stage, White women whispered, &#039;&#039;For God&#039;&#039;s sake, Mrs. Gage, don&#039;t let her speak.&#039;&#039; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Despite the whispers, she was reported to have famously said, &#039;&#039;I have borne children and seen most of them sold into slavery, and when cried out with a mother&#039;s grief, none but Jesus heard me. And ain&#039;t I a woman?&#039;&#039; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One hundred and sixty-five years after Sojourner Truth assumed the national stage comes Michelle Robinson Obama. Like Truth, Mrs. Obama stands 5&#039; 11&#039;&#039; tall and possesses a commanding, yet feminine presence. Raised by parents who instilled in young Michelle and her brother, Craig, a thirst to succeed despite racial oppression in the world, the potential First Lady of the White House is gifted and grounded. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ivy-League educated at Princeton and Harvard, the wife, mother, lawyer, and woman is worthy of respect. Yet, like Mrs. Truth, Mrs. Obama has had to succeed amidst the whispering campaigns of negativity. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;She is said to be &#039;&#039;angry&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;the baby mama of Obama&#039;&#039;. Maureen Dowd suggested that many Americans believe Michelle Obama to be &#039;&#039;emasculating&#039;&#039; to her candidate husband. Likewise, the blogesphere is rife with the modern version of whispered insults and innuendo. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, a recent posting on the Daily Kos revealed an image of a wrist-bound Michelle Obama about to be burned on the back by Ku Klux Klansmen, with the title &#039;&#039;Our New Hi Tech Southern Strategy&#039;&#039; sponsored by the David Duke Fan Club. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Whether 1851 or 2008, fear-mongers and the ignorant that use race as a dividing wedge are not surprising. What is alarming is the lack of defense for Mrs. Obama that is afforded to others. If Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton who once was First Lady in the White House deserved - as she did - defending by leading White feminists from stereotypically sexist attacks on the campaign trail such as hecklers yelling &#039;&#039;Hillary: Iron my shirt&#039;&#039;, than surely Mrs. Obama as a potential First Lady in the White House deserves the same. One set of defense rules. The only leading voice I have heard has been National Organization for Women president Kim Gandy who is &#039;&#039;watching&#039;&#039; for sexist attacks on Michelle Obama. And this is a good start. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But where are the famous names in feminism now that Mrs. Obama is under attack? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Metaphorically, the cultural chasm between Helen Reddy&#039;s &#039;&#039;I am Woman&#039;&#039; (1972) and Chaka Khan&#039;s &#039;&#039;I am Every Woman&#039;&#039; (1992) must be closed to open a new paradigm of equal defense for equal offense. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Appearing on the television show, &#039;&#039;The View&#039;&#039;, last week, Mrs. Obama was poised and personal; elegant and electric. As she fielded questions, Michelle Obama did so with a sense of genuine openness, which seemingly connected with the viewers of &#039;&#039;The View&#039;&#039;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But why did she have to appear in the first place? Sojourner Truth&#039;s words still instruct us: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&#039;&#039;If the first woman God ever made [Eve] was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back and get it right-side up again.&#039;&#039; Together, we are one.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Gary Flowers is executive director and CEO of the Black Leadership Forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from <a href="http://www.seattlemedium.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattlemedium.com</a></p>
<p>Michelle Obama: Ain&#8217;t She A Woman?<br />by Gary L. Flowers<br />NNPA Columnist<br />Originally posted 6/24/2008 </p>
<p>Sororal treatment has linked Sojourner Truth and Michelle Obama in history.</p>
<p>In 1843, a domestic servant in up-state New York whose given name was Isabella Van Wagenen changed her birth name to one that would reflect her mission in life &#8211; Sojourner Truth. </p>
<p>Her life&#8217;s journey would lead her to be revered for her stature, intellect, and fearlessness. Like Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth was one the first Black feminists to publicly assert that Black women should be viewed as total human beings. </p>
<p>In other words, within the Black community there are women; and within the feminist movement, there are Black women. </p>
<p>As an abolitionist and an itinerant Pentecostal preacher, Ms. Truth was invited to the 1851 Women&#8217;s Conference in Akron, Ohio. According to Frances Gage, a White abolitionist and president of the conference, as Sojourner Truth rose to approach the stage, White women whispered, &#8221;For God&#8217;&#8217;s sake, Mrs. Gage, don&#8217;t let her speak.&#8221; </p>
<p>Despite the whispers, she was reported to have famously said, &#8221;I have borne children and seen most of them sold into slavery, and when cried out with a mother&#8217;s grief, none but Jesus heard me. And ain&#8217;t I a woman?&#8221; </p>
<p>One hundred and sixty-five years after Sojourner Truth assumed the national stage comes Michelle Robinson Obama. Like Truth, Mrs. Obama stands 5&#8242; 11&#8221; tall and possesses a commanding, yet feminine presence. Raised by parents who instilled in young Michelle and her brother, Craig, a thirst to succeed despite racial oppression in the world, the potential First Lady of the White House is gifted and grounded. </p>
<p>Ivy-League educated at Princeton and Harvard, the wife, mother, lawyer, and woman is worthy of respect. Yet, like Mrs. Truth, Mrs. Obama has had to succeed amidst the whispering campaigns of negativity. </p>
<p>She is said to be &#8221;angry&#8221; and &#8221;the baby mama of Obama&#8221;. Maureen Dowd suggested that many Americans believe Michelle Obama to be &#8221;emasculating&#8221; to her candidate husband. Likewise, the blogesphere is rife with the modern version of whispered insults and innuendo. </p>
<p>For example, a recent posting on the Daily Kos revealed an image of a wrist-bound Michelle Obama about to be burned on the back by Ku Klux Klansmen, with the title &#8221;Our New Hi Tech Southern Strategy&#8221; sponsored by the David Duke Fan Club. </p>
<p>Whether 1851 or 2008, fear-mongers and the ignorant that use race as a dividing wedge are not surprising. What is alarming is the lack of defense for Mrs. Obama that is afforded to others. If Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton who once was First Lady in the White House deserved &#8211; as she did &#8211; defending by leading White feminists from stereotypically sexist attacks on the campaign trail such as hecklers yelling &#8221;Hillary: Iron my shirt&#8221;, than surely Mrs. Obama as a potential First Lady in the White House deserves the same. One set of defense rules. The only leading voice I have heard has been National Organization for Women president Kim Gandy who is &#8221;watching&#8221; for sexist attacks on Michelle Obama. And this is a good start. </p>
<p>But where are the famous names in feminism now that Mrs. Obama is under attack? </p>
<p>Metaphorically, the cultural chasm between Helen Reddy&#8217;s &#8221;I am Woman&#8221; (1972) and Chaka Khan&#8217;s &#8221;I am Every Woman&#8221; (1992) must be closed to open a new paradigm of equal defense for equal offense. </p>
<p>Appearing on the television show, &#8221;The View&#8221;, last week, Mrs. Obama was poised and personal; elegant and electric. As she fielded questions, Michelle Obama did so with a sense of genuine openness, which seemingly connected with the viewers of &#8221;The View&#8221;. </p>
<p>But why did she have to appear in the first place? Sojourner Truth&#8217;s words still instruct us: </p>
<p>&#8221;If the first woman God ever made [Eve] was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back and get it right-side up again.&#8221; Together, we are one.</p>
<p>Gary Flowers is executive director and CEO of the Black Leadership Forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jed:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess we can&#039;t defend Laura Bush either, since she&#039;s been on many a &quot;Today&quot; show and was on the cover of &quot;Ladies Home Journal.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@ annaarcturus:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think a lot of people just want to be heard.  I don&#039;t know how to answer your question but to say, &quot;Please just listen.&quot;  I think some white feminists want WOC to sit at the table but only if they&#039;re quiet and don&#039;t say anything or only if they back them up.  Just listen.  I guess that&#039;s the only answer I could give you.</description>
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<p>I guess we can&#8217;t defend Laura Bush either, since she&#8217;s been on many a &#8220;Today&#8221; show and was on the cover of &#8220;Ladies Home Journal.&#8221;</p>
<p>@ annaarcturus:</p>
<p>I think a lot of people just want to be heard.  I don&#8217;t know how to answer your question but to say, &#8220;Please just listen.&#8221;  I think some white feminists want WOC to sit at the table but only if they&#8217;re quiet and don&#8217;t say anything or only if they back them up.  Just listen.  I guess that&#8217;s the only answer I could give you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lizzy: sure but there is a real and serious history and presence of forms of US white feminism which place white women right at the center, are dominated by white women, and have white feminist racism as core (if usually implicit) parts of them. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They are actual feminism too -- and one of those forms of feminism was LOUD in support of Hillary Clinton and running all sorts of racism during the primary.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;IMO naming complexities should not erase the ugly reality that is actually part of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lizzy: sure but there is a real and serious history and presence of forms of US white feminism which place white women right at the center, are dominated by white women, and have white feminist racism as core (if usually implicit) parts of them. </p>
<p>They are actual feminism too &#8212; and one of those forms of feminism was LOUD in support of Hillary Clinton and running all sorts of racism during the primary.</p>
<p>IMO naming complexities should not erase the ugly reality that is actually part of them.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnaArcturus</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnnaArcturus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as an educated, young, feminist white woman, how do I come to your table?  This dust up has shown me my own racism.  How I tense up when I see a black man in &quot;that side of town,&quot; how I keep longing to go into our town&#039;s &quot;black bookstore&quot; but can&#039;t face the stares and my expectations of being looked down on.  Meanwhile, your feminism is healthier than mine.  I&#039;m straight, but my feminism has pushed the men in my life away.  I still can&#039;t juggle work and the rest.  So, I see my privilege, I&#039;m outraged about Michelle&#039;s treatment, and I don&#039;t know what to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as an educated, young, feminist white woman, how do I come to your table?  This dust up has shown me my own racism.  How I tense up when I see a black man in &#8220;that side of town,&#8221; how I keep longing to go into our town&#8217;s &#8220;black bookstore&#8221; but can&#8217;t face the stares and my expectations of being looked down on.  Meanwhile, your feminism is healthier than mine.  I&#8217;m straight, but my feminism has pushed the men in my life away.  I still can&#8217;t juggle work and the rest.  So, I see my privilege, I&#8217;m outraged about Michelle&#8217;s treatment, and I don&#8217;t know what to do.</p>
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		<title>By: jed</title>
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		<dc:creator>jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kind of hard to defend anyone who appeared on The View or appears on the cover of US magazine. She has moved from the position of politician&#039;s wife to celebrity in her own right. I&#039;d say that if Obama wins, get used to her getting lampooned from all quarters.</description>
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		<title>By: taritac</title>
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		<dc:creator>taritac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m loving the comments to this post. rikyrah makes a good point about many mainstream feminists being absent now that Clinton is off the stage, but as commenters mentioned above, the problem is larger than Michelle Obama. &quot;Mainstream&quot; feminists-- which rightly or wrongly has come to mean middle- to upper-class, white, professional women-- ignore much of what happens to women of other socio-economic backgrounds and other races. Anyone who has taken a feminist theory class knows that this is not a new problem, and that is why there are so many different feminist ideologies. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The thing is, these divisions are hardening, in large part because this political race has put the issues in our face. &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/06/AR2008060603494.html?sid=ST2008060900950&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A recent article by Linda Hirshman&lt;/a&gt; sent waves through the feminist blogosphere with her assertion that mainstream feminism OUGHT to ignore the issues of non-white, non-professional, or non-middle-class women. In essence, she said that middle-class white women shouldn&#039;t be concerned about the well-being of anyone else until they get . . . well, I don&#039;t know what they really &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; have at this point other than a presidential office.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is interesting to me that so many of these mainstream feminists seem absolutely baffled that other women don&#039;t automatically support them. The big question in my feminist classes was why black women put their black identity before their feminine identity, as if race is a non-issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m loving the comments to this post. rikyrah makes a good point about many mainstream feminists being absent now that Clinton is off the stage, but as commenters mentioned above, the problem is larger than Michelle Obama. &#8220;Mainstream&#8221; feminists&#8211; which rightly or wrongly has come to mean middle- to upper-class, white, professional women&#8211; ignore much of what happens to women of other socio-economic backgrounds and other races. Anyone who has taken a feminist theory class knows that this is not a new problem, and that is why there are so many different feminist ideologies. </p>
<p>The thing is, these divisions are hardening, in large part because this political race has put the issues in our face. <a HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/06/AR2008060603494.html?sid=ST2008060900950" REL="nofollow">A recent article by Linda Hirshman</a> sent waves through the feminist blogosphere with her assertion that mainstream feminism OUGHT to ignore the issues of non-white, non-professional, or non-middle-class women. In essence, she said that middle-class white women shouldn&#8217;t be concerned about the well-being of anyone else until they get . . . well, I don&#8217;t know what they really <i>don&#8217;t</i> have at this point other than a presidential office.</p>
<p>It is interesting to me that so many of these mainstream feminists seem absolutely baffled that other women don&#8217;t automatically support them. The big question in my feminist classes was why black women put their black identity before their feminine identity, as if race is a non-issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t commented here before, but I wanted to jump in because I&#039;ve really enjoyed the insight this blog has had on the problems we&#039;ve seen in the primaries and the continuing racism the Obamas as a family are affected by in this race.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All that being said, I&#039;d like to echo some commenters here that have noted that there have been really strong feminist WOC voices in the blogosphere and that even when I don&#039;t think all bloggers/commenters are on the same page on blogs run by younger feminists (like &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://feministing.org&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feministing&lt;/a&gt;), they certainly haven&#039;t ignored Michelle Obama&#039;s treatment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is not to say that racism doesn&#039;t pervade the ranks of feminism like it does other parts of life, but I think dismissing sexism in this election is like the (predominantly) older and white feminists dismissing racism.  Both are real and both affect us and both are horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t commented here before, but I wanted to jump in because I&#8217;ve really enjoyed the insight this blog has had on the problems we&#8217;ve seen in the primaries and the continuing racism the Obamas as a family are affected by in this race.</p>
<p>All that being said, I&#8217;d like to echo some commenters here that have noted that there have been really strong feminist WOC voices in the blogosphere and that even when I don&#8217;t think all bloggers/commenters are on the same page on blogs run by younger feminists (like <a HREF="http://feministing.org" REL="nofollow">Feministing</a>), they certainly haven&#8217;t ignored Michelle Obama&#8217;s treatment.</p>
<p>This is not to say that racism doesn&#8217;t pervade the ranks of feminism like it does other parts of life, but I think dismissing sexism in this election is like the (predominantly) older and white feminists dismissing racism.  Both are real and both affect us and both are horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: GBM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GBM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote about this on my blog (yesterday lol).  Check it out &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;www.gbminnyc.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about this on my blog (yesterday lol).  Check it out </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gbminnyc.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gbminnyc.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But separation (fear and hate and blame etc.) has not helped progress in anyway, that includes separation of black women from white women.&lt;br/&gt;---------------&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;IMO, this is putting the blame for the separation of black and white women on black women.  This may not be your intention but that&#039;s how I read it.  I&#039;m not seeing trying to set a place at the table for black women, or Asian women or Latino women. Or even poor white women.  I&#039;ve always seen it as &quot;you can come to the dinner but you have to sit at the kids&#039; table over there,&quot; and the only time WOC are allowed at the table is to clean it off and make it look pretty.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think it goes both ways.  Just as there are black women who don&#039;t desire to sit at the table, there are white women who don&#039;t want us in the dining room to begin with.  And I think that needs to be addressed and rectified and if that can&#039;t happen then WOC need to sit at our own tables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But separation (fear and hate and blame etc.) has not helped progress in anyway, that includes separation of black women from white women.<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>IMO, this is putting the blame for the separation of black and white women on black women.  This may not be your intention but that&#8217;s how I read it.  I&#8217;m not seeing trying to set a place at the table for black women, or Asian women or Latino women. Or even poor white women.  I&#8217;ve always seen it as &#8220;you can come to the dinner but you have to sit at the kids&#8217; table over there,&#8221; and the only time WOC are allowed at the table is to clean it off and make it look pretty.</p>
<p>I think it goes both ways.  Just as there are black women who don&#8217;t desire to sit at the table, there are white women who don&#8217;t want us in the dining room to begin with.  And I think that needs to be addressed and rectified and if that can&#8217;t happen then WOC need to sit at our own tables.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a black woman, a supporter of Barack and Michelle, this posting makes me sad.  It makes me sad that we are still feeling so separate as women.  By you saying that feminism is not for you and you feel no solidarity with white women is the same sentiment that you are criticizing Hillary supporters for.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You talk about not wanting to be separate from our men, no one is asking you to be.  But separation (fear and hate and blame etc.) has not helped progress in anyway, that includes separation of black women from white women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a black woman, a supporter of Barack and Michelle, this posting makes me sad.  It makes me sad that we are still feeling so separate as women.  By you saying that feminism is not for you and you feel no solidarity with white women is the same sentiment that you are criticizing Hillary supporters for.  </p>
<p>You talk about not wanting to be separate from our men, no one is asking you to be.  But separation (fear and hate and blame etc.) has not helped progress in anyway, that includes separation of black women from white women.</p>
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		<title>By: NMP</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s start with the Clinton supporting women in the CBC, namely Sheila Jackson Lee.  They used their recent meeting with Senator Obama to continue to gripe about the perceived mistreatment of Senator Clinton, but yet they collectively remain silent on the more obvious and vicious mistreatment of Michelle Obama with whom they have much more vested interest.  When will they let go of Hillary Clinton&#039;s corset strings and stand with  Michelle Obama?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s start with the Clinton supporting women in the CBC, namely Sheila Jackson Lee.  They used their recent meeting with Senator Obama to continue to gripe about the perceived mistreatment of Senator Clinton, but yet they collectively remain silent on the more obvious and vicious mistreatment of Michelle Obama with whom they have much more vested interest.  When will they let go of Hillary Clinton&#8217;s corset strings and stand with  Michelle Obama?</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree.  While there are some exceptions (Shakesville, for example), the silence is on the whole quite deafening.  And, while I know it shouldn&#039;t be, it&#039;s surprising too.  And most of all, disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree.  While there are some exceptions (Shakesville, for example), the silence is on the whole quite deafening.  And, while I know it shouldn&#8217;t be, it&#8217;s surprising too.  And most of all, disappointing.</p>
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