Jack & Jill Politics

Dobson is trying to stir up trouble since Obama is going after the evangelical vote. This 'preacher' would have used the Bible to justify enslaving Blacks back in the day. This just shows how threatened they are.

truthseeker,


People have said very positive things about that speech. I find it odd that Dobson waited until now to actually say something about it.

There was a good segment between Roland, Sharpton and Perkins on AC360. They were debating the Dobson comments. I'm liking what I heard so far in that 2006 Obama speech. I haven't heard the entire thing though.

Good, that the Obama's are being celebrated finally. It seems this is how it started, then got derailed by the Clinton's ugliness.


I'm kinda mad that O has to be hauling Hillary's ass around still(campaign debt). After the insult he endured, the deal should have been: "you want to stay in the race till the end? You pay your own way."



1 billion dollars between all the candidates! Can you imagine what that money could have done rather than lining the pockets of media outlets!

Michelle has done everything right...everything that really matters anyway. That "baby's daddy" thing was ill-advised, but so what.


Having mastered the things that matter, she's flown in the face of the ugly stereotypes of black women. The idea we are the dregs of womanhood...the least desirable of all women. Coarse, sexually loose, financially inept, intellectually deficient. Michelle is none of these things and some people are stunned....stunned that the women who they first violently desired - then later maligned were worthy beings all along.



Rape is part and parcel of slavery, where black women , children and men were the object of the white man and woman's violent sexual desires.



We know each other's secrets; but, we don't talk about it.

From MichelleObama Watch:


US Weekly Cover featuring Michelle and Barack Obama sold briskly:



Early sales numbers for the celeb glossy are trickling in, and according to sources that are familiar, the June 30 issue could sell more than 900,000 copies. (A spokesperson for Us declined comment, saying that whether good or bad, the magazine doesn’t comment on week-to-week sales.)



To put the numbers in perspective, sales for the prior three weeks’ covers (one featuring Heidi Montag, another with Jessica Simpson and Tony Romo and “A Bachelor’s Second Chance” featuring “Bachelor” star Andrew Firestone) averaged about 710,000 copies per week. MSNBC.com





I did my part with copies for my whole family..LOL

From Michelle Obama Watch:


In case you haven’t heard and care, the black and white dress Michelle wore on The View last week has flown off the racks at White House/Black Market. For $148 you too can snag the frock. Apparently they sold 2000 dresses in one day



A statuesque and superbly polished 5′ 11″ Michelle Obama wore a black and white, cotton sateen, tank-leaf print Donna Ricco dress when she appeared as guest host on talk show “the View” last week. She ordered the dress after seeing it advertised in a New York magazine. She added a black rose to the left shoulder strap and was impeccable. I loved it, and so did the rest of America. The magazine was flooded with orders for the same Donna Ricco dress shortly after the show. Two thousand orders that day alone.



This is what SOME people are afraid of.



HOW could this BLACK WOMAN be a trendsetter?



HOW could she be looked up to and admired?



I mean…she’s a BLACK woman…and a VISIBLY Black woman at that.



Folks….you might not want to ‘ go there’, but I believe only if we’re honest by ‘ going there’ can we really comprehend what’s going on, and why Michelle Obama upsets some people so much.

Shaq is a hater. He hates that he's not Kobe.

Random OT: Has anyone seen the Shaq rap dissing Kobe?


LOL

Bush is a colossal embarrasment.

Um...is there some great tradition of Phillippino cooking that I don't know about at The White House?


Uhhmm Lumpia. The anticipation of those crispy little meat filled delights can make anyone fumble their words.

From TPM Election Central:


Poll: Obama And McCain Tied -- In Deep-Red Indiana!

By Eric Kleefeld - June 24, 2008, 2:42PM





Now this is something. A new SurveyUSA poll shows that Barack Obama is tied with John McCain in Indiana, a state that hasn't gone Democratic since the Lyndon Johnson landslide of 1964.



The numbers: Obama 48%, McCain 47%, within the ±4% margin of error. For some perspective, George W. Bush won this state by a whopping 60%-39% margin in 2004.



The Obama campaign made news a few days ago by sending a top staffer to this red state, and Indiana has also been included in their first big ad campaign of the general election.



Meanwhile, a separate SurveyUSA poll also puts Obama narrowly ahead in New Mexico by 49%-46%, within the ±4.3% margin of error in a traditional swing state that went for Gore in 2000 and then Bush in 2004.

Bush To Filipino President: "I Am Reminded Of The Great Talent Of The -- Of Our Philippine-Americans When I Eat Dinner At The White House"


Um...is there some great tradition of Phillippino cooking that I don't know about at The White House?

I expect McCain to receive a free ride this summer. No matter the flip-flops, the MSM will make it palatable. Not Mr. Straight-talker anymore. He's moved into pandering, big time. Interesting.


Because the election is seen as Obama's to lose, I think he's getting the negative quasi-incumbent treatment. That weird seal was indicative that he thinks he's won already.



Forget the polls. He shouldn't take it for granted: M. Dukasis made that mistake.

How many politicians get a pass for corruption, i.e. like Obama does? Obama visits Las Vegas, and the RNC gets to remind voters that Rezko owes 10 casinos there…some “$472,275.”
RNC pushes Rezko story ahead of Obama visit



It gets worse:



Obama's House of Cards

What were we just talking about in this thread?


CONFIRMED: JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ILLEGALY HIRED LAWYERS WITH CONSERVATIVE CREDENTIALS

ms.martin, we've all known (though some here are loathe to admit it) for a long time now that Bush is an Idiot.


And that's putting it diplomatically.

From Dkos


Feingold to filibuster FISA bill = FISAbuster





Obama leads by 15!!





http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid;=agCTbSDJ83rc&refer;=home

D


I can't wait to see how you defend this one:



Bush To Filipino President: "I Am Reminded Of The Great Talent Of The -- Of Our Philippine-Americans When I Eat Dinner At The White House"





Maybe you'll call it Bush bashing.

What's Paul Begala doing?

honey01 said...
Hi Rikyah,



I saw that Chicago Tribune article online this morning under the headline of something to the effect of "Obama's Chicago Problem". Also, there was another story regarding his ties to ethyanol (sp) producers. Funny thing is, I did not see any coverage of McCain. Never do.

I know you are from Chicago so help me out. I swear it feels like the Tribune gives Obama the MOST negative coverage comparatively speaking. I don't know if this is case of "being tough on your own" or what. I don't expect any reputable newspaper to fawn over any one candidate, but how about some balanced coverage?





honey01,



The choices for Chicago readers are:



The Tribune,which is a Republican Paper.



The Sun-Times, which never met a Black Politician or high-profile Black Entrepreneur that it didn't want to embarrass. And, I mean that. And, they're all in on it: from reporters, to opinion columists, to even the main gossip columnist - Sneed. If you're Black, be assured the Sun-Times is out to get you.



I guess I'm just used to it.



But, Obama can count on one hand the number of folks in Chicago Print Media that try and print truly positive things about him. The rest of them are Lynn Sweet-ish and worse. And like Sweet, they think they're slick and we can't SEE what they're doing.

Ok, let me get this straight, if someone disagrees with Obama and brings up the legitimate feelings of others, they are not voting for him. Okay...I guess that could work if you are simple-minded. I have no problem expecting certain things from those that I support. If I support you I will make semands. Obama could careless about me, I am one person, I could say whatever I want to say. Hello?


Why take it so seriously? Why can't you discuss what i was initially discussing rather than attacking the fact that I brought up something legit?

Paul Begala has lost his beatific smile. I wonder why.

D


"....it's easy to yell down someone, but to actually have to present facts to prove your case takes a bit more skill."





Skills of which you have yet to display.

Pamela,
After the last couple days here, alcohol may be more appropriate.



See y'all in the morning,



-d.

I recognize and appreciate the intelligence shown here, even if the people possessing it refuse to acknowledge mine.


Awwww, d. I respect your intelligence. Do you need a hug?

I hope the pendulum has gained momentum and will swing all the way around so that real progress can be made this time.


Well truthseeker, we can agree on this.

Conservative opinions aren't liked, but welcomed-to an extent-here.


I'm here for the challenge of it all....it's easy to yell down someone, but to actually have to present facts to prove your case takes a bit more skill.



I recognize and appreciate the intelligence shown here, even if the people possessing it refuse to acknowledge mine.



(someone will say I'm full of shit for saying that...)



And should anyone feel the need to turn on me, well....

pamela,


I agree they don't have power, they only think they do. I'm don't believe the disrespect is equal. I suspect liberal anger/disrespect is due to the destruction that neo-conservatism has wrought.



Every few years as the pendulum swings we go from Liberal, to Conservative and so on, never making any real progress. Every now and then, the pendulum swings all the way around and the results are positive things like Universal Health Care (which Canadians opposed but now would spill blood to defend) or negative things like the unjust wars.



I hope the pendulum has gained momentum and will swing all the way around so that real progress can be made this time.

truthseeker, I am not looking for a fight, the dress part, maybe. My only point was conservatives have no more power over liberals then liberals have over conservatives. And each extreme faction of either side may look down on the other but it is an equal extreme disrespect. I don't think the general view from conservatives is that liberals are weak minded or easily swayed. In fact in my experience as of late liberals are more vocal, influential and more quickly accepted then conservatives. This may be a complete tangent to what you were saying. But it is what came to mind when I read your post.

Interesting how Christian ideology caused organizations like AIPAC to put it's foot on America's neck.


Really, Christianity and Judaism are like cats and dogs...they do not like each other. But, they ally for the cause of Armageddon. The rest of us are just extras in that drama.

I'm with Tvanel at 10:12. Regardless what party affiliation anyone is, there is NO ONE perfect candidate. Unless this country had a huge majority party that didn't need to compromise on positions and we all know that isn't the case....the current political process is what Obama has to navigate and what we all have to deal with.


We only need to look at our own lives and at the compromises we make on a personal level to get along and often improve relationships with family, friends, co-workers, and neighbors. No different in politics.

pamela,


I sense you're looking for a fight..either that, or you're sewing an elaborate dress.



Yes, that is how the conservative machinery sees liberal thought.

Dobson is the very epitome of everythig that is bad about religion mixing in the political realm. Religious conservatives of his mindset have abetted a lot of very bad things white America has done to our people.

The Haves and the Have-Nots (Of a Clue)


America is divided between the haves and the have-nots. In this case, I am referring to those who have a clue as to what's really happening to America, and those that have not a clue. The latter group is certainly not stupid, because as some people have observed, you can't fix stupid. They are just severely uninformed and misinformed.



The have-nots are being taken advantage of to pull off one of the biggest political power grabs in U.S. history at the expense of our nation.

I don't think Obama would approve of your not-so-diplomatic approach to dissenting supporters.
----------------



Are they really supporters, though? If anytime the man does something somebody doesn't like, his stans get worked up and start saying "Well I don't know if I can vote for him because of XYZ (snif)." Are those people really supporters? I don't know. I think they want something from Obama he simply can't provide.



At any rate, when it comes down to it either you're going to vote for the man or not. And judging from the amount of melodrama and hand wringing about the man, I'm guessing that a whole lot of people are NOT going to vote for him, which is their right.

Thomas Sowell:


The Imitators



The Imitators: Part II



The Imitators III

The problem with many conservatives is they believe their own bullshit. They really do believe the liberal-minded are weak-minded and easily led. Repubs believe they have special persuasive powers where they can engage in psy-ops type manipulations on message boards. They should take care their fellow citizens do not turn on them in the ugliest of ways.


You know who you are.



::



Tell the truth and shame the devil.

truthseeker, just to clarify, is this your feeling of how conservatives view liberals?


That social justice is weak. That those who seek social justice are weak-minded and weak-bodied. That the liberal-minded need to be protected by the "grown ups". That those who seek to use government as an instrument of social justice are impetuous children who can be easily swayed by argument, criticism, innuendo... That the unwashed masses will submit to their own destruction in support of the neo-conservative mythology.

truthseeker, it is entirely possible that I misread or misunderstood your post. I will read again and make corrections if necessary.

I see now that Coburn has compared Barack to Nixon for opting out of public financing.


Well, well. Ain't that special.

Hey Pamela,
And it should be the lead story. I saw coverage of it yesterday which was astounding in terms of McCain getting any coverage.



However, this morning when I scanned CNN, MSNBC, The Chicago Tribune (online that is), and my local news all the political stories were about Dobson's critique of Obama, the public financing issue, and the ridiculing of Obama posing in front a seal the resembled the POTUS seal.



One of these things is not like the other....

And of Conservatives are so happy why are they hanging out at JJP?


Because JJP is a site that focuses on politics from the perspectives of African Americans (at least I think it is). I have yet to read, or seen, that conservative opinions are not welcome.

pamela,


I'm trying, but am having a Whoopi experience and not understanding what you are saying. Or, perhaps you misinterpreted what I wrote.

Pamela, you asked at 11:30 am: can it also be said liberal believe their own bullshit?


I myself have seen many liberals -- and progressives for that matter -- who do believe their own bullshit. Filtering everything they see first through rigid ideas about how things are or should be ... rather than paying careful close attention to what is actually happening to inform what they understand. Assuming that they know more and better than others, and that those who disagree just "don't see it clearly" and need to be educated/awakened.



In fact, these labels of conservative, liberal, progressive, etc only show one layer of categories for me. The more important layer to me (I am coming to realize) is the spectrum of how ground-up-truthful, humble/questioning and thoughtful people are. Oddly this language really has no words for what I am trying to express here. I'm still thinking this through. I appreciate that you raised the question!



And ... your comments @7:38 am and 8:01 am: LOL!

See...bullshit, like posting articles titled "Republicans Happier Over the Years".


Maybe bullshit is not descriptive enough...amateur psychology? Whatever, bullshit it is.

Correction: Tell me one thing Conservatives have been right about.


And of Conservatives are so happy why are they hanging out at JJP?

Those who manipulate social justice are weak, those who act irresponsible do need protection, but those "weak people" and those that are "irresponsible" do not define liberals. If they did then yes your original post is true. However this and a lot other blogs have shown "that those who seek to use government as an instrument of social justice are impetuous children who can be easily swayed by argument, criticism, innuendo..." to be untrue. If anything liberals have a loud voice, louder and more accepted then the voice of the conservative. I don't believe that there are any more conservatives that look down or have influence over liberals then liberals look down on or have influence over conservatives.

Tell me one thing Conservatives have been right (no pun intended).

Hatred is a bad thing to tote around, especially when one already suffers from BDS.


Republicans Happier Over the Years



Conservatives Happier Than Liberals



There is another link, but I will skip it since it would only confuse and inflame the liberal wing of JJP.

d.,
I'm going to refer you to the following links:



http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2006/02/new_terrorism_report_questions.html



http://www.the-american-interest.com/ai2/article.cfm?Id=418&MId;=19



http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/38464/an_american_tipping_point_



Are we safe yet?

pamela,


Out of curiosity, how do liberal-minded people feel about

conservatives? I get that liberals and conservatives view the issues differently, but if it can be said that conservatives believe their own bullshit, can it also be said liberal believe their own bullshit? If you come from a position that all conservatives are wrong and all liberals are right or vice-versa will we ever get to an understanding of both positions or is that not a goal?



Bullshit. That social justice is weak. That those who seek social justice are weak-minded and weak-bodied. That the liberal-minded need to be protected by the "grown ups". That those who seek to use government as an instrument of social justice are impetuous children who can be easily swayed by argument, criticism, innuendo... That the unwashed masses will submit to their own destruction in support of the neo-conservative mythology.

Pamela,
You hope for the moderates to inject common sense, else the extremists on both sides will beat the hell out of each other.

Anon,
I don't know if you're the same anon that mentioned that yesterday.

But I'd refer you to the article I posted above ("Are We Safer?")



I really don't have much to say on that one. I've thought the same thing (and said it out loud here once, though I said it's better as a strategy post-Obama's election), but I didn't think that someone smarter that I would say it in public.



The comment, however strategically sound it may be, was not smart. You don't say that stuff in public, unless you're someone who has absolutely no bearing on a campaign.



Course, Craig argued-and well-yesterday that any attack that happens now would actually be a reflection on Bush and not benefit the Republicans, which I-God help me-can't disagree with. So then, it may not even be good strategy.

The media needs to hold McCain responsible for what Charlie Black said they way the held Obama responsible for what Rev. Wright and Father Pfledger said.


Hey d.,

Did you know that more Americans have died at the hands of terrorist under Bush than Clinton? Did you know that Americans are still dying at the hands of terrorist in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush?



On one hand Republicans argue they are keeping us safe then they are wishing for a terrorist attack for political gain. What's up with that?

The problem with many conservatives is they believe their own bullshit. They really do believe the liberal-minded are weak-minded and easily led. Repubs believe they have special persuasive powers where they can engage in psy-ops type manipulations on message boards. They should take care their fellow citizens do not turn on them in the ugliest of ways.


Out of curiosity, how do liberal-minded people feel about conservatives? I get that liberals and conservatives view the issues differently, but if it can be said that conservatives believe their own bullshit, can it also be said liberal believe their own bullshit? If you come from a position that all conservatives are wrong and all liberals are right or vice-versa will we ever get to an understanding of both positions or is that not a goal?

Charlie Black of McCain's campaign is almost an afterthought.


This has been the lead political story on all the broadcasts I have seen today which has mostly been on MSNBC and Fox. I don't think this story is getting lost in the suffle.

I found this interesting:


'School rallies around dismissed Watts teacher deemed too 'Afro-centric.'





""You embody what it means to be a warrior-scholar, a freedom-fighting intellectual," she told students through a bullhorn in one video. "You are part of the long legacy, the strong history, of fighting back."



In another instance, Salazar rips the Los Angeles Unified School District, saying, "This school system for too long has been not only denying them human rights, basic human rights, but doing it on purpose in order to keep them subservient, to subjugate them in society."



A union official said the critique against Salazar included a statement that her teaching was too "Afro-centric." An assistant principal, in his evaluation of a particular lesson, accused Salazar of brainwashing students, according to Salazar and others.



Her course materials include "The Autobiography of Malcolm X," which is approved for students. Salazar, 25, also sprinkles in lyrics of slain rapper Tupac Shakur and the poetry of Langston Hughes."

Come on Truth, call "evil" by its name..... :)


Some of the liberal-minded are weak minded. Hell, some of the "liberal-minded" are just for extra credit from their professors.



The extreme leftists, yeah, they'll come after conservatives (why do you think we love the 2nd Amendment so much?) But to most Americans, it's not that serious.

Thanks Rikyah for the link to article at the Smoking Chimp. It was right on point. It was kind of depressing though to be reminded just how racist some folk are. The little old lady who wants to send Michelle "back to Africa". I just hope enough of the electorate is ready for change.


Can anyone tell me why the Dobson story is in big bold font, whereas Charlie Black of McCain's campaign is almost an afterthought.



Typical. Just look at almost any news website, newspaper, or news broadcast, 80% of the coverage is about Obama.



I can't believe I am going to say this, but I actually agree with Bay Buchanan when she said if McCain is the victor, it will not be because he won, but rather because Obama lost. The media is making every effort to assist in this particular outcome.



honey01

There's no honour in losing; only acceptance.


I don't believe those who find fault with Obama will automatically not vote for him, though he should take care with the first time voters. Even if they say they won't vote, they ultimately will. (Too bad Republican shit-disturbers).



The problem with many conservatives is they believe their own bullshit. They really do believe the liberal-minded are weak-minded and easily led. Repubs believe they have special persuasive powers where they can engage in psy-ops type manipulations on message boards. They should take care their fellow citizens do not turn on them in the ugliest of ways.



You know who you are.

I saw that NYTimes article too. I see where they are coming from and I don't know why Town had that reaction.


I don't agree with everything that Obama has done during this campaign. However I still support Obama.



However if Obama took the attitude that you took...then don't vote for him. Then he should forget about it. Truthfully, Obama needs to be a little more careful with Muslim American voters. They matter in certain swing states. he has a better chance of winning while keeping them in his court than trying to convince the 10% of Americans who won't vote for him anyway that he is not a Muslim. He cannot fully embrace them which they know. However the open disrespect as done by his campaign cannot happen again. That rubbed me wrong too. He needs to be careful with AA's and Muslim Americans. He is walking a tight rope which everyone knows in regards to identity politics but he still needs their votes.



In addition, they are also human beings which one can forget in an election cycle. I think that they understand that being a Muslim in this country is a political liablitiy as well as being black but they would like him to treat them equally to other groups. I cannot knock the people for feeling excluded especially when most of them despite concerns here and there are still excited about Obama. They are going through the same things as AA's.





Tvanel-



I don't start up with GOP talk. They are like the Nazis. They are nationalists. Over here on the left, he stand for real freedom of expression and free speech. If the GOP decided to question Bush, they would probably not be on the decline as a party right now.



Also, I agree more Sista Souljah moments-Ta Nehisi Coates and Dr. Boyce Watkins both have great suggestions. Hopefully he does it to only black people. That would be just perfect. We have no self-respect why would we care? Integrity is a waste of time though my inital reason for really liking him was his integrity.



What would you suggest he do. I suggest one person at a time, he he starts with groups of people, he may just run out of space under the bus.

I don't think Obama would approve of your not-so-diplomatic approach to dissenting supporters.


One can only wonder about the not-so-diplomatic approach to those who don't support him.

Town


You need to allow people to vent their frustrations in their own manners.



I don't think Obama would approve of your not-so-diplomatic approach to dissenting supporters.

One more thing...


Back in 2000 when Christian conservatives decided that Bush was their guy..they fell back and threw their full support behind him. You hardly heard a peep about abortion and social issues--Bush was the "compassionate conservative" remember?



Unfortunately, I have yet to see this from the Dem side. Again Obama will need to move towards the center for fear that he will be labeled a crazy leftist radical-



-In essence, he needs a defining Sista Souljah moment. We can either allow him one or demand he stand on a principled soapbox and lose with honor.

D. @ 6:04


As a member of the conservative wing of JJP, I wanted to thank you for that GREAT link!

I don't begrudge folk for being emotional about a candidate. Barack has attracted millions of new voters and most of them are political novices. However, I do have a problem with seasoned politicos (CBC and HRC) who see fit to exploit this situation for their own benefit and personal gain. They should know better.


In order to win, he will need to move towards the center and plant a NO Parking sign for the Straight talk Express...or the Gaffe Zig zag express. We all need to look at the larger picture here. Yes, his candidacy is historic, but there are substantive issues at stake. War with Iran? a sagging economy, SCOTUS appointments, Energy policy--I can go on, but u get the picture. McCain is at the opposite end of the ideologically spectrum on all of these issues. McCain 2000 is no McCain 2008. He’s been hijacked by the ultra right wingnuts of the GOP and that should be a cause for worry to every progressive and moderate right or left of center.



As Obama moves towards a centrist platform-he will no doubt anger (FISA Bill)some and you will have every right to exercise your First Amendment right to express your displeasure. This is actually a good thing but before you go off and vote for someone else due some perceived egregious error committed by Senator Obama:



Ask yourselves—Will McCain solve the issues I care most about?



Is he closely aligned to my views or the ultra right wing of the GOP?



The choice, after the anger has subsided will be clear. It does not mean you give Obama a pass, simply that you are an informed voter who realizes what is at stake in this election.

Town,


I will not go back and forth with you but as I said, you are indeed the one who is emotional because you cannot deal with people who share a different understanding of things.



Your making generalizations and assumptions and grouping me with former white female Clinton supporters etc...



I am voting for Obama but if I can voice when I do not agree with a decision or tactic. If I don't have the ability to voice discontent then I think that it is you who is too captivated by someone who you probably thinks "walks on water".



Obama's message and the way in which his campaign marketed him indeed gave off the impression that he was one who was not "politics as usual" if I am not mistaken and "unity" if I am not mistaken. So why are you acting as if some got that off the top of his head.



When you are a poltiican who markets yourself as one who isn't "politics as usual" and "politically expedient" then you do something that contradicts that then you are open to criticism.



When you are race neutral and single out a race of people then you are open to criticism.



I supported Obama before most people who began after Iowa. It had a lot to do with this message and his appeal had a lot to do with this message. So you cannot act as if millions of people got that from the top of their heads. I was busting my ass campaigning for him when nobody else was not and I am going to vote for him in November though I do not agree with some of what he has done recently.



I think that I have earned my right to voice any discontent and I think that my uncle has mulitiple reasons why he will go back to being apathetic in regards to politics.



Thank You.

Rhonda,


I don't feel I am being "emotional." It is YOU and people like your uncle and some black people and some Muslims and some white women and some white people etc. that's getting emotional. Any little thing Obama does wrong, you come with the "Well, damn, I just don't know if I can vote for him anymore. He's just not who I thought he was gonna be."



Well then, don't vote for him. It's just that simple. If that's "arrogance" in your book, then I'm extremely arrogant and I make no apologies for that. It's not that serious to me. IMO John McCain is not my cup of tea, so I'm not voting for him. Doesn't mean he's teh evul, just means he's not compatible with me so I'm not voting for him.



If a candidate makes me uncomfortable for ANY reason, I don't vote for him or her. I'm trying to understand why everyone thinks he's the Messiah when he's never presented himself as such. And when he reveals himself to be a man, a mere politician, all of a sudden everyone's SOOOO disappointed and they just don't know how they can pull that lever in November.



Well then, don't. I have no problem with people critiquing Obama because he's an asshole. ALL good politicians are assholes. If he was so good and pure, he wouldn't be in politics.



The problem is not with Barack Obama or his critiques, the problem is with his stans and people who think they're supposed to vote for him because it's the "kewl and historic" thing to do. The problem is with people who expect him to live out their hopes and dreams and when he doesn't, they're disappointed. He doesn't walk on water. He's just a man. He farts and has wax in his ear. He's a politician. Politicians do what they do to get elected.



If you don't feel he's being held accountable enough or is ignoring key concerns, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM.



If this man is causing such discomfort because he is not everything you want him to be, it might be in your psychological best interests to not vote for him.



It's just not that serious.

Town


You are the one who is emotional.



You said this:



"If Muslims don't like him, don't vote for him."



It is not that, you know that and if you read the article then you could at least be sympathetic. They feel like some AA's in regards to Obama though many are still going to support him. My uncle is very weary about it because like many I think he got his hopes to high up about Obama and his change and unity message then to have to deal with the reality of it.



If you are going to approach every single comment with that arrogance then skip over it.



I am voting for Obama. My uncle will probably do so too when November comes but I will tell you on this blog and everyone on this blog that they have to calm down when people come with the slightest crtique of the man. It can't all be "Yes We Can". If that was the case then I will head over to Obama's website blogs were that's all they say and when you have questions or critique, they report you as abusive and attack you.



I assume that we are all smart enough to deal with critque and different people's opinions. Obama has short comings because he is human like anyone else and is in a hard place. I do however don't agree with some of the tactics he used in this campaign.



Many of the things being spoken about are not excuses, they are real concerns. Muslims as I observed myself were very enthusistic but now their nervous and weary once again with the political process. They understand the issues that revolve around Obama embracing them but that does not stop people who are used to being discriminated against from feeling the sting.



If any critique of Obama is an excuse in your book then that is fine.

Fitting tribute? San Francisco's Presidential Memorial Commission considers renaming the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant the George W. Bush Sewage Plant come January, when the next president is sworn in.


George W. Bush Sewage Plant

Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't understand all the emotional handwringing over voting/not voting for Barack Obama.


If Muslims don't like him, don't vote for him.



If white women don't like him, don't vote for him.



If you feel that he's not paying attention to blacks and black issues and he's kissing too much white ass, don't vote for him.



If he's too liberal or socialist, don't vote for him.



If you don't like his black lips, don't vote for him.



I have never seen so much handwringing over voting/not voting for somebody in my life. Ok, I know people will say "Well if we don't vote for him, then he will lose."



So? Somebody's got to win, and somebody's got to lose.



If you don't feel Barack Obama is the right person, don't vote for him.



If you feel uncomfortable with Barack or Michelle Obama, don't vote for him.



If you feel that Obama isn't addressing the issues you want addressed, don't vote for him.



Bu-bu-but....John McCain will win! We won't have our First Black President!



A) John McCain WILL win, IMO, because too many people are uncomfortable with Barack and Michelle Obama. And not just white people. And when people are uncomfortable they will stick with what they already know.



b) People are coming up with any and every excuse in the book why they won't be voting for Obama.



Just don't vote for him. It's just that simple.

"Barack and Muslims is a rock, hard place issue. It says more about us as a nation than him, but it is what it is."


Yea, they could just sit out.

From yesterday:


"Even if you never met him, you know this guy," Rove said, per Christianne Klein. "He's the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by."



Combined with Donnatella Versace dedicating her Spring 2009 collection to her inspiration, Obama, makes Barack the most fabulous gay man in America. Another voting block won!

The McCains' little alcohol problem


The liquor lobbyists.



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Barack and Muslims is a rock, hard place issue. It says more about us as a nation than him, but it is what it is.

Muslim Votes Detect A Snub From Obama


"Groups say candidate who promotes unity has given them cold shoulder"





Yup, this is what my Uncle Al was talking about. He has been feeling for a while that he can no longer support Obama.

LOL @ the conservative wing of JJP

Are We Safer?


For [Obama], and many of his supporters, the Bush administration has uniquely and comprehensively degraded the nation's security, especially against the lethal threats emanating from the Middle East. America was much more secure under Hillary Clinton's husband--with the first attack on the World Trade Center, the truck bombing of Khobar Towers, the embassy bombings in Africa, the aborted attempt on the USS Sullivans in Aden, the other attempts at millennial bombings in the Middle East and the United States, and the near sinking of the USS Cole--on the road to 9/11.



Yet when we look at what George W. Bush has actually done, it's pretty hard not to credit him with massively improving America's security, both at home and abroad.

LOL!! I know he's a leftist. I just found the article interesting.


Hell, I'm shocked that someone besides the conservative wing of JJP actually read it.



;)

d,


stop trying to scare folks.



"ooooo...Obama's a leftist...oooooo"

From DailyKos:


Shelby Steele: Even I Don't Believe Me!

by SusanG

Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 06:04:08 PM PDT





Via Media Matters:



Despite the claim in the subtitle of his book, A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win, Shelby Steele acknowledged that he thinks Sen. Barack Obama "can definitely win" the presidential election. Steele told Fox News' Sean Hannity the subtitle was an "afterthought" that he "regret[ted]" and that it did not represent the book's thesis.

James Dobson accuses Obama of 'distorting' Bible


Now, he's attacking Obama for a speech he gave in 2006? Can't he find something more recent?



Dobson attacking Obama is very interesting. It means to me, IMO, that some folks are very irked by Obama's outreach to moderate and liberal evangelicals.