Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

24 Jun 2008 Author: rikyrah

The Banjo Lesson, by Henry O. Tanner

Good Morning.

We’re in Summer now. I hope everyone is getting outside and enjoying these Summer days before it turns too hot.

I want to see those links, those great debates, and a little bit of trivia.

Share with your fellow JJP readers.

And always, have a peaceful day.

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Pamela
truthseeker, just to clarify, is this your feeling of how conservatives view liberals?
That social justice is weak. That those who seek social justice are weak-minded and weak-bodied. That the liberal-minded need to be protected by the “grown ups”. That those who seek to use government as an instrument of social justice are impetuous children who can be easily swayed by argument, criticism, innuendo… That the unwashed masses will submit to their own destruction in support of the neo-conservative mythology.
Craig Hickman
The problem with many conservatives is they believe their own bullshit. They really do believe the liberal-minded are weak-minded and easily led. Repubs believe they have special persuasive powers where they can engage in psy-ops type manipulations on message boards. They should take care their fellow citizens do not turn on them in the ugliest of ways.
You know who you are.
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Tell the truth and shame the devil.
KarmiCommunist
Thomas Sowell:
The Imitators
The Imitators: Part II
The Imitators III
Anonymous
I don’t think Obama would approve of your not-so-diplomatic approach to dissenting supporters.
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Are they really supporters, though? If anytime the man does something somebody doesn’t like, his stans get worked up and start saying “Well I don’t know if I can vote for him because of XYZ (snif).” Are those people really supporters? I don’t know. I think they want something from Obama he simply can’t provide.
At any rate, when it comes down to it either you’re going to vote for the man or not. And judging from the amount of melodrama and hand wringing about the man, I’m guessing that a whole lot of people are NOT going to vote for him, which is their right.
KarmiCommunist
The Haves and the Have-Nots (Of a Clue)
America is divided between the haves and the have-nots. In this case, I am referring to those who have a clue as to what’s really happening to America, and those that have not a clue. The latter group is certainly not stupid, because as some people have observed, you can’t fix stupid. They are just severely uninformed and misinformed.
The have-nots are being taken advantage of to pull off one of the biggest political power grabs in U.S. history at the expense of our nation.
TruthSeeker
pamela,
I sense you’re looking for a fight..either that, or you’re sewing an elaborate dress.
Yes, that is how the conservative machinery sees liberal thought.
purpthehawk
Dobson is the very epitome of everythig that is bad about religion mixing in the political realm. Religious conservatives of his mindset have abetted a lot of very bad things white America has done to our people.
Angela
I’m with Tvanel at 10:12. Regardless what party affiliation anyone is, there is NO ONE perfect candidate. Unless this country had a huge majority party that didn’t need to compromise on positions and we all know that isn’t the case….the current political process is what Obama has to navigate and what we all have to deal with.
We only need to look at our own lives and at the compromises we make on a personal level to get along and often improve relationships with family, friends, co-workers, and neighbors. No different in politics.
TruthSeeker
Interesting how Christian ideology caused organizations like AIPAC to put it’s foot on America’s neck.
Really, Christianity and Judaism are like cats and dogs…they do not like each other. But, they ally for the cause of Armageddon. The rest of us are just extras in that drama.
Pamela
truthseeker, I am not looking for a fight, the dress part, maybe. My only point was conservatives have no more power over liberals then liberals have over conservatives. And each extreme faction of either side may look down on the other but it is an equal extreme disrespect. I don’t think the general view from conservatives is that liberals are weak minded or easily swayed. In fact in my experience as of late liberals are more vocal, influential and more quickly accepted then conservatives. This may be a complete tangent to what you were saying. But it is what came to mind when I read your post.
D.
Conservative opinions aren’t liked, but welcomed-to an extent-here.
I’m here for the challenge of it all….it’s easy to yell down someone, but to actually have to present facts to prove your case takes a bit more skill.
I recognize and appreciate the intelligence shown here, even if the people possessing it refuse to acknowledge mine.
(someone will say I’m full of shit for saying that…)
And should anyone feel the need to turn on me, well….
TruthSeeker
pamela,
I agree they don’t have power, they only think they do. I’m don’t believe the disrespect is equal. I suspect liberal anger/disrespect is due to the destruction that neo-conservatism has wrought.
Every few years as the pendulum swings we go from Liberal, to Conservative and so on, never making any real progress. Every now and then, the pendulum swings all the way around and the results are positive things like Universal Health Care (which Canadians opposed but now would spill blood to defend) or negative things like the unjust wars.
I hope the pendulum has gained momentum and will swing all the way around so that real progress can be made this time.
Pamela
I hope the pendulum has gained momentum and will swing all the way around so that real progress can be made this time.
Well truthseeker, we can agree on this.
Pamela
I recognize and appreciate the intelligence shown here, even if the people possessing it refuse to acknowledge mine.
Awwww, d. I respect your intelligence. Do you need a hug?
D.
Pamela,
After the last couple days here, alcohol may be more appropriate.
See y’all in the morning,
-d.
Ms.Martin
D
“….it’s easy to yell down someone, but to actually have to present facts to prove your case takes a bit more skill.”
Skills of which you have yet to display.
TruthSeeker
Paul Begala has lost his beatific smile. I wonder why.
RhondaCoca
Ok, let me get this straight, if someone disagrees with Obama and brings up the legitimate feelings of others, they are not voting for him. Okay…I guess that could work if you are simple-minded. I have no problem expecting certain things from those that I support. If I support you I will make semands. Obama could careless about me, I am one person, I could say whatever I want to say. Hello?
Why take it so seriously? Why can’t you discuss what i was initially discussing rather than attacking the fact that I brought up something legit?
rikyrah
honey01 said…
Hi Rikyah,
I saw that Chicago Tribune article online this morning under the headline of something to the effect of “Obama’s Chicago Problem”. Also, there was another story regarding his ties to ethyanol (sp) producers. Funny thing is, I did not see any coverage of McCain. Never do.
I know you are from Chicago so help me out. I swear it feels like the Tribune gives Obama the MOST negative coverage comparatively speaking. I don’t know if this is case of “being tough on your own” or what. I don’t expect any reputable newspaper to fawn over any one candidate, but how about some balanced coverage?
honey01,
The choices for Chicago readers are:
The Tribune,which is a Republican Paper.
The Sun-Times, which never met a Black Politician or high-profile Black Entrepreneur that it didn’t want to embarrass. And, I mean that. And, they’re all in on it: from reporters, to opinion columists, to even the main gossip columnist – Sneed. If you’re Black, be assured the Sun-Times is out to get you.
I guess I’m just used to it.
But, Obama can count on one hand the number of folks in Chicago Print Media that try and print truly positive things about him. The rest of them are Lynn Sweet-ish and worse. And like Sweet, they think they’re slick and we can’t SEE what they’re doing.
Craig Hickman
What’s Paul Begala doing?
Ms.Martin
D
I can’t wait to see how you defend this one:
Bush To Filipino President: “I Am Reminded Of The Great Talent Of The — Of Our Philippine-Americans When I Eat Dinner At The White House”
Maybe you’ll call it Bush bashing.
Anonymous
From Dkos
Feingold to filibuster FISA bill = FISAbuster
Obama leads by 15!!
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agCTbSDJ83rc&refer=home
Craig Hickman
ms.martin, we’ve all known (though some here are loathe to admit it) for a long time now that Bush is an Idiot.
And that’s putting it diplomatically.
Craig Hickman
What were we just talking about in this thread?
CONFIRMED: JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ILLEGALY HIRED LAWYERS WITH CONSERVATIVE CREDENTIALS
KarmiCommunist
How many politicians get a pass for corruption, i.e. like Obama does? Obama visits Las Vegas, and the RNC gets to remind voters that Rezko owes 10 casinos there…some “$472,275.”
RNC pushes Rezko story ahead of Obama visit
It gets worse:
Obama’s House of Cards
GoldenAh
I expect McCain to receive a free ride this summer. No matter the flip-flops, the MSM will make it palatable. Not Mr. Straight-talker anymore. He’s moved into pandering, big time. Interesting.
Because the election is seen as Obama’s to lose, I think he’s getting the negative quasi-incumbent treatment. That weird seal was indicative that he thinks he’s won already.
Forget the polls. He shouldn’t take it for granted: M. Dukasis made that mistake.
rikyrah
Bush To Filipino President: “I Am Reminded Of The Great Talent Of The — Of Our Philippine-Americans When I Eat Dinner At The White House”
Um…is there some great tradition of Phillippino cooking that I don’t know about at The White House?
rikyrah
From TPM Election Central:
Poll: Obama And McCain Tied — In Deep-Red Indiana!
By Eric Kleefeld – June 24, 2008, 2:42PM
Now this is something. A new SurveyUSA poll shows that Barack Obama is tied with John McCain in Indiana, a state that hasn’t gone Democratic since the Lyndon Johnson landslide of 1964.
The numbers: Obama 48%, McCain 47%, within the ±4% margin of error. For some perspective, George W. Bush won this state by a whopping 60%-39% margin in 2004.
The Obama campaign made news a few days ago by sending a top staffer to this red state, and Indiana has also been included in their first big ad campaign of the general election.
Meanwhile, a separate SurveyUSA poll also puts Obama narrowly ahead in New Mexico by 49%-46%, within the ±4.3% margin of error in a traditional swing state that went for Gore in 2000 and then Bush in 2004.
Pamela
Um…is there some great tradition of Phillippino cooking that I don’t know about at The White House?
Uhhmm Lumpia. The anticipation of those crispy little meat filled delights can make anyone fumble their words.
Ms.Martin
Bush is a colossal embarrasment.
rikyrah
Random OT: Has anyone seen the Shaq rap dissing Kobe?
LOL
Ms.Martin
Shaq is a hater. He hates that he’s not Kobe.
rikyrah
From Michelle Obama Watch:
In case you haven’t heard and care, the black and white dress Michelle wore on The View last week has flown off the racks at White House/Black Market. For $148 you too can snag the frock. Apparently they sold 2000 dresses in one day
A statuesque and superbly polished 5′ 11″ Michelle Obama wore a black and white, cotton sateen, tank-leaf print Donna Ricco dress when she appeared as guest host on talk show “the View” last week. She ordered the dress after seeing it advertised in a New York magazine. She added a black rose to the left shoulder strap and was impeccable. I loved it, and so did the rest of America. The magazine was flooded with orders for the same Donna Ricco dress shortly after the show. Two thousand orders that day alone.
This is what SOME people are afraid of.
HOW could this BLACK WOMAN be a trendsetter?
HOW could she be looked up to and admired?
I mean…she’s a BLACK woman…and a VISIBLY Black woman at that.
Folks….you might not want to ‘ go there’, but I believe only if we’re honest by ‘ going there’ can we really comprehend what’s going on, and why Michelle Obama upsets some people so much.
rikyrah
From MichelleObama Watch:
US Weekly Cover featuring Michelle and Barack Obama sold briskly:
Early sales numbers for the celeb glossy are trickling in, and according to sources that are familiar, the June 30 issue could sell more than 900,000 copies. (A spokesperson for Us declined comment, saying that whether good or bad, the magazine doesn’t comment on week-to-week sales.)
To put the numbers in perspective, sales for the prior three weeks’ covers (one featuring Heidi Montag, another with Jessica Simpson and Tony Romo and “A Bachelor’s Second Chance” featuring “Bachelor” star Andrew Firestone) averaged about 710,000 copies per week. MSNBC.com
I did my part with copies for my whole family..LOL
TruthSeeker
Michelle has done everything right…everything that really matters anyway. That “baby’s daddy” thing was ill-advised, but so what.
Having mastered the things that matter, she’s flown in the face of the ugly stereotypes of black women. The idea we are the dregs of womanhood…the least desirable of all women. Coarse, sexually loose, financially inept, intellectually deficient. Michelle is none of these things and some people are stunned….stunned that the women who they first violently desired – then later maligned were worthy beings all along.
Rape is part and parcel of slavery, where black women , children and men were the object of the white man and woman’s violent sexual desires.
We know each other’s secrets; but, we don’t talk about it.
TruthSeeker
Good, that the Obama’s are being celebrated finally. It seems this is how it started, then got derailed by the Clinton’s ugliness.
I’m kinda mad that O has to be hauling Hillary’s ass around still(campaign debt). After the insult he endured, the deal should have been: “you want to stay in the race till the end? You pay your own way.”
1 billion dollars between all the candidates! Can you imagine what that money could have done rather than lining the pockets of media outlets!
TruthSeeker
There was a good segment between Roland, Sharpton and Perkins on AC360. They were debating the Dobson comments. I’m liking what I heard so far in that 2006 Obama speech. I haven’t heard the entire thing though.
rikyrah
truthseeker,
People have said very positive things about that speech. I find it odd that Dobson waited until now to actually say something about it.
heartsandflowers
Dobson is trying to stir up trouble since Obama is going after the evangelical vote. This ‘preacher’ would have used the Bible to justify enslaving Blacks back in the day. This just shows how threatened they are.

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