So I was over at Huffingtonpost.com
and was pretty disturbed at something I read…Now I knew Faux news was bad..but I didn’t know it was this bad. They have already had to fire an anchor woman for referring to Barack and Michelle’s fist bump as a “terrorist fist jab.” Now some other simple ass chick has called Michelle, “Barack’s Baby Mama”… I think we really need to do something about this news.

HERE’S THE LINK
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/11/fox-news-calls-michelle-o_n_106655.html

Yeah, I guess it is too bad we don’t see him on TV as much as say, Jesse Lee Peterson, but I guess Jesse is just that much better, huh?

Thank you. I was irrationally afraid to come back to this discussion after posting what I did. I am critical of this, and I know some others are too — but there’s this feeling in me that speaking about this publicly seems to break some sort of invisible rule and so bad things might happen. So I avoided even coming back to this thread til right now. Me being crazy, I guess.

Well … if racism isn’t static, as Senator Obama says, and this piece about white people’s willingness to actually listen to people of color as actual real legitimate humans were to change, Tim Wise would have to find another way to make a living. And there would be various losses to white people who are accustomed to getting praise and other benefits from being the “good ones” who must then translate to the “bad ones” in order for certain things to be heard.

In other words: I wonder if there is some hidden investment in it staying static among those who benefit, and if so what does that investment look like in practice.

Wise isn’t running a scam. He’s writing and talking about what he thinks is important in this country. So many White folks are racist that his perspective makes him unusual enough to get some attention, but if his perspective is on target, how could it be a bad thing for him to be heard in addition to (not instead of) African-American voices?

The fact that White people are not rushing to the altar over what he says does not in the least make it irrelevant. The African-Americans who gave their lives to fight The Power over the last 500 years did not live and die in vain just because institutionalized oppression in the name of racism still exists in this country. And to suggest that Tim Wise should sit down and shut up because he’s not a person of color would be the same as suggesting that White “conductors” on the Underground Railroad should have stayed out of it. Some White people try to steal what ain’t theirs. But some of us are just trying to be useful.

Do you have other sites you can recommend besides Bitchphd.com?
(I just want more than one site to look at)?

Thank you.

Please don’t make all feminists sound like racist sore losers. We’re not.

I’ve been a feminist activist for thirty years, I’m white, and I’ve been for Obama since day one. As have most of my friends and colleagues. And those who were not are certainly not stupid enough to give a vote to the Republicans.

Get out there in cyberspace and see what grassroots feminists are saying. You can try Bitchphd.com for a start.

But, at least if they’re not going to vote for Obama, they are going to vote their conscious and give it to Cynthia. I can accept that far easier than to give their vote away to a man who represents a third term of Lil’ Bush.

I am a Clinton supporter and not one who plans to support McCain, and I am actively arguing with those who think McCain is a reasonable alternative to Obama.

I would just point out 2 things:

a) a lot of Clinton voters believe voting for McCain sends a “message” to the DNC/Howard Dean/Pelosi etc. about how Clinton was treated re: the sexism and misogyny they witnessed. I’m really concerned with the convoluted idea here that voting for the GOP somehow counts as “protest” against party elites. It has little to do with Obama in this scenario.

The only other thing I’d say is that I know many Clinton supporters who are planning to vote Green/for Cynthia McKinney. I’ve seen another post besides this one saying disgruntled Clinton voters aren’t considering this and that’s not true.

It’s not only white women who love Hillary going nuts, it’s an AA woman who writes a blog called Sugar N Spice and she has flipped to the point Obama is the second coming of Satan. This lady makes me shake my head and wonder if she is for real or should I be calling the Secret Service to keep an eye out on her.

She is scary and she’s not following her leader’s (Hillary) lead.

I know, it’s very painful, but I watch occassionally just to see what mess they’re stirring up so I’m not surprised later.

They are working to keep the Hillary supporters fumed by repeating the Hillary for VP call that they know is not going to happen.

The interview with Boxer was worth watching though because she thoroughly squashed pro Hillary Blitzer’s cry about what the Hillary voters are going to do.

It’s really hard to watch any news anymore as I don’t beleive Obama is given the respect that he deserves as. Which is evidenced by the continual coverage of the candidate that lost.

I would like to see Boxer out front more often. She point blank told Blitzer that they like to stir up trouble where there is none and proceeded to discount the fact that women when faced with Mccain’s positions (which need outlined one by one) would vote for them.

I was especially please that she reminded Bliter and the viewers that Michelle is also a woman and working mother. I believe she also mentioned obama’s mother, a single parent who had worked hard.

I wish the women in the party would come out in support just like Boxer did. Barack Obama is the epitome of what the American Dream cultivates. His success is what every decent, hardworking, loving parent would want for their child, especially a single mother.

I was just scrolling down the comments and was going to post the same thing. Tim Wise is telling the ‘truth’, but it is related to issues from the perspective of a white supremacy meme. So yes when we read his works he is preaching to the choir for the most part because we already know this. It is helpful for him to address white audiences and I would like to know how these issues will be resolved to our satisfaction. On one hand you could look at it as him being an anti-racism ‘hustler’. If he was given special attention over other people of color saying the same things then it would be a perpetuation of that same meme he is denigrating. Like Obama has said racism is not static. As painful and uncomfortable as this all is, it’s necessary so we can take steps past it, while still holding people accountable.

Evita @ 2:14pm YES! YES! YES!

Thanks. I almost refuse to watch CNN.

No, it’s their whiteness that is showing. Because they are telling Obama, “Kiss our asses and grovel for our vote, or we’ll vote for the white guy.”

As someone has repeatedly said, why not vote for Cynthia McKinney? Ain’t she a woman?

You’re mad that a man “stole your show,” so to fix him, you’ll vote for…another man?

Get outta here with that crap! We all know nothing would be said by these so-called “feminists” if Chris Dodd or Joe Biden were the nominee.

If this faction were “hating on men,” they would have started with Bill Clinton, who disrespected Hillary on a world wide stage, not to mention all the Paula Jones’ and Monica Lewinskys’ he ran across.

Yeah, their whiteness is showing. YOUR whiteness is showing when you fix your fingers to chastise US for “spewing vitriol,” but leave the Harriet Christians and Geraldine Ferraros unchecked. Ok. Whatev.

GTFOH with that crap.

Junglecat

It is not their whiteness that is showing, it is their hatred of men that is showing. The more men in the party try and pressure them into accepting Obama, the greater the backlash.

They decisions are based solely on emotion and the more they stay emotionally geared up the more entrenched their positions become.

Best to just leave it alone and soon cooler heads will prevail.

Any white woman who supported Hillary coming to this site would be shocked at the vitriol spewed here.

Unity? My a**

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I think the point for many on this site that the focus not be soley on the white feminist perspective. The article is:
An Open Letter to Certain White Women Who Are Threatening to Withhold Support from Obama in November

Here’s an important fact: There have been just about 500 years of slavery and other legal forms of oppressing black people in the United States which ended just 45 years ago or so.

You use the word vitriol like, again, we are not allowed to be angry to be treated as less than white people. This word assumes that white people and black people are treated fairly and equally in this land.

There is a HUGE difference between saying we are born equal under the stars and our experiences are equitable. You speak from the position of the former, we, the latter. Silence does not help secure equity. It ensures the status quo.

I want Unity. Acknowledge the racism and we’ll be on that path.