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	<title>Comments on: Sunday Open Thread &#8211; HAPPY FATHER&#8217;S DAY</title>
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		<title>By: RhondaCoca</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am with PTCruiser, Ms.Martin and Truthseeker on this one,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am also every conservative but all I have seen is strong good black men as fathers throughout my whole life. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When one makes a speech like this, he is making generalizations. White people will look at it and go yea, black man are incapable of being fathers (as a white professor once felt necessary to admit to a class). Obama is only capable because of his white upbringing. He will be the one to set blacks straight (as a white man in the Philly office at Obama&#039;s campaign headquarters felt the need to announce).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was always raised with respectablity. We are aware of the issues that go on in the black community but we dwell on the positive especially in the public light. Yes Obama was in a black church but he was speaking to the country not just blacks. I was always taught that you never put down your own in the presence of whites. Obama said nothing that I havent heard community leaders, black leaders, ministers, films, books and everyday black people say. The message coming from Obama is not different than that coming from anyone else. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However my question is:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Why do we only dwell on the negative constantly?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This creates a picture that everything is black and everyone black is negative.Please remember that we as blacks know how nuanced and diverse we are as a people but others do not.We allow ourselves to be judged and reduced to a statistic in the public eye. We allow ourselves to be looked upon as a one-dimensional monolith. For all the black youth who have gone atray, there are more who have done the right thing and amazing things who never see the light of day. Who never get congratulated. People only talk and write books about black youth in peril, black youth as no good, black youth who have nothing to contribute to society. People tell me but oh...Rhonda people need to hear that negative message because it real. So I assume that these people believe that black youth who do bad are more really and worthy of attention than those who do good? When people only see that represnetation of those who do bad and are blinded to all those who do good because of our society;s negative thought pattern when black and youth come into the same picture, they label all of us. I am only 21 when, i work with black youth and I have seen the positive. I even work with those who do negative but can be positive if people believed in them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Noentheless, everytime we brought a speaker or anytime a adult would speak to the children, it was only about the negative rather than congratulating the group for all of their wonderful achievements.&lt;br/&gt;What a downer!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I had a breakfast with the men of my family who are all amazing fathers. All of my friends had wonderful fathers days with their fathers and/or with their own children.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I held a cookout on Saturday in the backyard of my brooklyn brownstone apartment. It was for the people in the neighborhood and I had a large turnout with black men and their children, wives and girlfriends. There were some who simply came with their children because they may not have the nuclear family structure in some cases but they are their for their children.We had a wonderful time until it rained.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The local restaurant was packed with black men and their families taking their children out to eat. All the Caribbean and Soulf food restaurants were packed. My friend said that you could stick a pin at Sammy&#039;s Fish Box in City Island (NY). They have a large black clientele because of the large portions and you know how our sisters and brother like to eat!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yesterday evening, I got a phone call from my cousin who dropped the ball on his son. After attending my cookout on Saturday because he had to help me with the grill, he felt ashamed. He watched all the amazing brothers who were equally amazing fathers. He decided to re-enter his son&#039;s life on Father&#039;s Day. He vowed that he would not make that mistake again and I will make sure to keep him in check. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a community, we have to keep those who go astray in check but by example. I have learned that scolding doesn&#039;t work. What made my cousin, Craig realize his fault was watching all those men with their sons and daughters and families. He kept like a damn fool and went straight!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You see I would like the father&#039;s who do right like my father, grandfathers, uncles, cousins (which now includes Craig), friends, neighbors and all those brothers at my cookout, at all the restaurants and in Sammy&#039;s Fish Box like so many others to get congratulated! I want the world to see them and talk about them. I would like the Washington Post and the Chicago Tribune and the Hiffington Post on Father&#039;s Day to announce that they are congratulating these men not one that says &quot;Obama Rebukes Absent Black Fathers&quot;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Black people are never congratualted for the good. Only reprimanded for the bad. You see that cannot work. And in a country where whites have a low opinion of black regardless (they have felt that way since they brought us here on slave ships), they continue to justify it based on the negativity that is constantly given attention. Many are blinded to the good and when they see our black faces they probably assume that we are no good without knowing who we are. This creates problems on all levels regardless of those who claim they could care less about what white people think. You say that because you don&#039;t know how it affects you. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Too many people don&#039;t see the beauty, the good, the happiness, the achievement that goes on in the black community. I would like it if we began to showcase that because then and only then will those who don&#039;t get it see that there is a better way to live. Those who don&#039;t get it wont change because Obama made a speech in a church somewhere. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A good father&#039;s day message is the one delivered by my grandfather at my Brooklyn cookout. One of the triumph of black fatherhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen,</p>
<p>I am with PTCruiser, Ms.Martin and Truthseeker on this one,</p>
<p>I am also every conservative but all I have seen is strong good black men as fathers throughout my whole life. </p>
<p>When one makes a speech like this, he is making generalizations. White people will look at it and go yea, black man are incapable of being fathers (as a white professor once felt necessary to admit to a class). Obama is only capable because of his white upbringing. He will be the one to set blacks straight (as a white man in the Philly office at Obama&#8217;s campaign headquarters felt the need to announce).</p>
<p>I was always raised with respectablity. We are aware of the issues that go on in the black community but we dwell on the positive especially in the public light. Yes Obama was in a black church but he was speaking to the country not just blacks. I was always taught that you never put down your own in the presence of whites. Obama said nothing that I havent heard community leaders, black leaders, ministers, films, books and everyday black people say. The message coming from Obama is not different than that coming from anyone else. </p>
<p>However my question is:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why do we only dwell on the negative constantly?&#8221;</p>
<p>This creates a picture that everything is black and everyone black is negative.Please remember that we as blacks know how nuanced and diverse we are as a people but others do not.We allow ourselves to be judged and reduced to a statistic in the public eye. We allow ourselves to be looked upon as a one-dimensional monolith. For all the black youth who have gone atray, there are more who have done the right thing and amazing things who never see the light of day. Who never get congratulated. People only talk and write books about black youth in peril, black youth as no good, black youth who have nothing to contribute to society. People tell me but oh&#8230;Rhonda people need to hear that negative message because it real. So I assume that these people believe that black youth who do bad are more really and worthy of attention than those who do good? When people only see that represnetation of those who do bad and are blinded to all those who do good because of our society;s negative thought pattern when black and youth come into the same picture, they label all of us. I am only 21 when, i work with black youth and I have seen the positive. I even work with those who do negative but can be positive if people believed in them.</p>
<p>Noentheless, everytime we brought a speaker or anytime a adult would speak to the children, it was only about the negative rather than congratulating the group for all of their wonderful achievements.<br />What a downer!!</p>
<p>I had a breakfast with the men of my family who are all amazing fathers. All of my friends had wonderful fathers days with their fathers and/or with their own children.</p>
<p>I held a cookout on Saturday in the backyard of my brooklyn brownstone apartment. It was for the people in the neighborhood and I had a large turnout with black men and their children, wives and girlfriends. There were some who simply came with their children because they may not have the nuclear family structure in some cases but they are their for their children.We had a wonderful time until it rained.</p>
<p>The local restaurant was packed with black men and their families taking their children out to eat. All the Caribbean and Soulf food restaurants were packed. My friend said that you could stick a pin at Sammy&#8217;s Fish Box in City Island (NY). They have a large black clientele because of the large portions and you know how our sisters and brother like to eat!</p>
<p>Yesterday evening, I got a phone call from my cousin who dropped the ball on his son. After attending my cookout on Saturday because he had to help me with the grill, he felt ashamed. He watched all the amazing brothers who were equally amazing fathers. He decided to re-enter his son&#8217;s life on Father&#8217;s Day. He vowed that he would not make that mistake again and I will make sure to keep him in check. </p>
<p>As a community, we have to keep those who go astray in check but by example. I have learned that scolding doesn&#8217;t work. What made my cousin, Craig realize his fault was watching all those men with their sons and daughters and families. He kept like a damn fool and went straight!</p>
<p>You see I would like the father&#8217;s who do right like my father, grandfathers, uncles, cousins (which now includes Craig), friends, neighbors and all those brothers at my cookout, at all the restaurants and in Sammy&#8217;s Fish Box like so many others to get congratulated! I want the world to see them and talk about them. I would like the Washington Post and the Chicago Tribune and the Hiffington Post on Father&#8217;s Day to announce that they are congratulating these men not one that says &#8220;Obama Rebukes Absent Black Fathers&#8221;. </p>
<p>Black people are never congratualted for the good. Only reprimanded for the bad. You see that cannot work. And in a country where whites have a low opinion of black regardless (they have felt that way since they brought us here on slave ships), they continue to justify it based on the negativity that is constantly given attention. Many are blinded to the good and when they see our black faces they probably assume that we are no good without knowing who we are. This creates problems on all levels regardless of those who claim they could care less about what white people think. You say that because you don&#8217;t know how it affects you. </p>
<p>Too many people don&#8217;t see the beauty, the good, the happiness, the achievement that goes on in the black community. I would like it if we began to showcase that because then and only then will those who don&#8217;t get it see that there is a better way to live. Those who don&#8217;t get it wont change because Obama made a speech in a church somewhere. </p>
<p>A good father&#8217;s day message is the one delivered by my grandfather at my Brooklyn cookout. One of the triumph of black fatherhood.</p>
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		<title>By: PTCruiser</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21246</link>
		<dc:creator>PTCruiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As I&#039;ve already stated, I wasn&#039;t bothered by the speech, and I really don&#039;t get why you are.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don&#039;t understand why I was bothered by Obama&#039;s speech then no amount of words we exchange here, regardless of our good intentions, will bridge the gap between us. We&#039;ll have to play it as it lays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As I&#8217;ve already stated, I wasn&#8217;t bothered by the speech, and I really don&#8217;t get why you are.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t understand why I was bothered by Obama&#8217;s speech then no amount of words we exchange here, regardless of our good intentions, will bridge the gap between us. We&#8217;ll have to play it as it lays.</p>
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		<title>By: teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21209</link>
		<dc:creator>teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ptcruiser, I&#039;m ok that with you disliking the speech he gave. I&#039;m not tryng to tell you how to feel and I agree with you point on the personal counseling. As I&#039;ve already stated, I wasn&#039;t bothered by the speech, and I really don&#039;t get why you are. I read and understand your words, I just don&#039;t feel them. The speech didn&#039;t offend me the way that it offended you.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also think we (humans) can be influenced by our personal issues or experiences, and respond to life from those, even if we don&#039;t do it deliberately or consciously. I also think we all have parts of ourselves that we don&#039;t see. This means politicians too. People can be complicated, but are very fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ptcruiser, I&#8217;m ok that with you disliking the speech he gave. I&#8217;m not tryng to tell you how to feel and I agree with you point on the personal counseling. As I&#8217;ve already stated, I wasn&#8217;t bothered by the speech, and I really don&#8217;t get why you are. I read and understand your words, I just don&#8217;t feel them. The speech didn&#8217;t offend me the way that it offended you.</p>
<p>I also think we (humans) can be influenced by our personal issues or experiences, and respond to life from those, even if we don&#8217;t do it deliberately or consciously. I also think we all have parts of ourselves that we don&#8217;t see. This means politicians too. People can be complicated, but are very fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think the media is unfair, often VERY biased, critical, &amp; stupidly insulting toward Obama. They question his manhood (OVER A BOWLING GAME!),called him a nerd for riding the bike with his daughter, repeat rumors in a continuous loop, often without any truth or facts...Today Rick Sanchez had some new commentator who stated (like he would know) that Obama is pandering only, like he wouldn&#039;t speak from his heart at all because he is only out to get more votes. Personally, I think Michelle would confront him about something like that, because his integrity means everything to her. I think he would try very hard not to lose the respect of his wife. I don&#039;t like everything he does or says, but I also don&#039;t expect him to be all things to all people. I don&#039;t think he should have let that vetter go, and I hope he will stop giving in to pressure from people who aren&#039;t for him. I understand the differing opinions presented here. It&#039;s a very sensitive subject for us (Black family/community/fathers/mothers/etc.) and my bottom line interpretation is that people want to see a balanced perspective. Nothing wrong with that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think O is very complicated. We live in a tribal, clannish world, and he has somewhat been a person without a tribe. I am his same age. I know biracial people whose white relatives wouldn&#039;t have anything to do with them. Even though his grandparents loved him (eventually), they still communicated to him how they felt about Blacks in general (everyone but him). And just because they were willing to love &amp; support him doesn&#039;t mean that their family members were. They may have had to sacrifice some of their relationships to do what they did for him. They may have made disparagements about his dad. I know my grandmother reduced me to tears many times by criticizing my parents when I was a kid. His wife &amp; children give him a tribe without the conflicts he&#039;s had to endure, but he is probably still learning not to be a loner. He might always be one.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also want to see Black people excel individually &amp; collectively. I tell my students that they must pursue education; that no one can &quot;give&quot; them one. Either they will get one or they won&#039;t.I tell them that without self-discipline they won&#039;t succeed at anything in life. Does that sound like Cosby or Obama, because I&#039;m in their same camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think the media is unfair, often VERY biased, critical, &#038; stupidly insulting toward Obama. They question his manhood (OVER A BOWLING GAME!),called him a nerd for riding the bike with his daughter, repeat rumors in a continuous loop, often without any truth or facts&#8230;Today Rick Sanchez had some new commentator who stated (like he would know) that Obama is pandering only, like he wouldn&#8217;t speak from his heart at all because he is only out to get more votes. Personally, I think Michelle would confront him about something like that, because his integrity means everything to her. I think he would try very hard not to lose the respect of his wife. I don&#8217;t like everything he does or says, but I also don&#8217;t expect him to be all things to all people. I don&#8217;t think he should have let that vetter go, and I hope he will stop giving in to pressure from people who aren&#8217;t for him. I understand the differing opinions presented here. It&#8217;s a very sensitive subject for us (Black family/community/fathers/mothers/etc.) and my bottom line interpretation is that people want to see a balanced perspective. Nothing wrong with that.</p>
<p>I think O is very complicated. We live in a tribal, clannish world, and he has somewhat been a person without a tribe. I am his same age. I know biracial people whose white relatives wouldn&#8217;t have anything to do with them. Even though his grandparents loved him (eventually), they still communicated to him how they felt about Blacks in general (everyone but him). And just because they were willing to love &#038; support him doesn&#8217;t mean that their family members were. They may have had to sacrifice some of their relationships to do what they did for him. They may have made disparagements about his dad. I know my grandmother reduced me to tears many times by criticizing my parents when I was a kid. His wife &#038; children give him a tribe without the conflicts he&#8217;s had to endure, but he is probably still learning not to be a loner. He might always be one.</p>
<p>I also want to see Black people excel individually &#038; collectively. I tell my students that they must pursue education; that no one can &#8220;give&#8221; them one. Either they will get one or they won&#8217;t.I tell them that without self-discipline they won&#8217;t succeed at anything in life. Does that sound like Cosby or Obama, because I&#8217;m in their same camp.</p>
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		<title>By: PTCruiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>PTCruiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me know when Obama gives a speech about the proliferation of white methamphetamine addicts in the mid-west and the danger to public safety posed by illegal meth labs. Or is that McCain&#039;s cross to bear? I&#039;m getting confused here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me know when Obama gives a speech about the proliferation of white methamphetamine addicts in the mid-west and the danger to public safety posed by illegal meth labs. Or is that McCain&#8217;s cross to bear? I&#8217;m getting confused here.</p>
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		<title>By: PTCruiser</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21206</link>
		<dc:creator>PTCruiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ptcruiser, Let him say what&#039;s on his heart. Either receive it or don&#039;t receive it. Don&#039;t expect 100% perfection from him @ all times. He is a mere mortal trying to get a job against great obstacles. Be mindful that he has personal issues, most likely with both of his parents. There are times in his life where both of them abdicated their responsibility to him.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then he needs to use his government medical plan and spend a few 50 minute hours with people who are trained to assist people to figure this stuff out. Or, he could give a speech about his own parents. But, in any case, please don&#039;t try to tell me that I should be alright with what he did because he needs to get something off of his chest.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The speech was a political speech and it had a political intent.  We may disagree about the intent but let&#039;s try to avoid giving him a pass because he has suffered. He is running for president of the United States. If he is running for the president of Black America, then we need to have a discussion about what that means. I do not need him to tell me what it means for me to be black nor what I should do to take care of my children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ptcruiser, Let him say what&#8217;s on his heart. Either receive it or don&#8217;t receive it. Don&#8217;t expect 100% perfection from him @ all times. He is a mere mortal trying to get a job against great obstacles. Be mindful that he has personal issues, most likely with both of his parents. There are times in his life where both of them abdicated their responsibility to him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then he needs to use his government medical plan and spend a few 50 minute hours with people who are trained to assist people to figure this stuff out. Or, he could give a speech about his own parents. But, in any case, please don&#8217;t try to tell me that I should be alright with what he did because he needs to get something off of his chest.</p>
<p>The speech was a political speech and it had a political intent.  We may disagree about the intent but let&#8217;s try to avoid giving him a pass because he has suffered. He is running for president of the United States. If he is running for the president of Black America, then we need to have a discussion about what that means. I do not need him to tell me what it means for me to be black nor what I should do to take care of my children.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21199</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This debate has gotten pretty heated, and I guess I&#039;m very conservative (small c) on this issue. I agreed with Mr. Cosby, and I agree with Senator Obama.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;teacher, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;someone up above brought in his mother, and I forgot to add that that is  one of the headlines in one of the tabloids at the supermarket this week - I read it while standing in line today. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And, the twists were on Malia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This debate has gotten pretty heated, and I guess I&#8217;m very conservative (small c) on this issue. I agreed with Mr. Cosby, and I agree with Senator Obama.  </p>
<p>teacher, </p>
<p>someone up above brought in his mother, and I forgot to add that that is  one of the headlines in one of the tabloids at the supermarket this week &#8211; I read it while standing in line today. </p>
<p>And, the twists were on Malia.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/23/080623fa_fact_boyer?currentPage=1&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keith Olbermann: One Angry Man&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/23/080623fa_fact_boyer?currentPage=1" REL="nofollow">Keith Olbermann: One Angry Man</a></p>
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		<title>By: teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ptcruiser, Let him say what&#039;s on his heart. Either receive it or don&#039;t receive it. Don&#039;t expect 100% perfection from him @ all times. He is a mere mortal trying to get a job against great obstacles. Be mindful that he has personal issues, most likely with both of his parents. There are times in his life where both of them abdicated their responsibility to him. If my mother asked me to let one of the kids live with her, the answer would be, &quot;no I want him/her with me.&quot; My dad&#039;s parents gave him away (like a kitten) to relatives. It left a hole in his heart that only God can fill. The negative statistics in the Black community are critical and warrant addressing in a way that goes beyond rhetoric. I hope he inspires male citizens to become good husbands and fathers. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sasha O. was rocking the kinky twists in church today! You know she is going to be a mainstream trend setter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ptcruiser, Let him say what&#8217;s on his heart. Either receive it or don&#8217;t receive it. Don&#8217;t expect 100% perfection from him @ all times. He is a mere mortal trying to get a job against great obstacles. Be mindful that he has personal issues, most likely with both of his parents. There are times in his life where both of them abdicated their responsibility to him. If my mother asked me to let one of the kids live with her, the answer would be, &#8220;no I want him/her with me.&#8221; My dad&#8217;s parents gave him away (like a kitten) to relatives. It left a hole in his heart that only God can fill. The negative statistics in the Black community are critical and warrant addressing in a way that goes beyond rhetoric. I hope he inspires male citizens to become good husbands and fathers. </p>
<p>Sasha O. was rocking the kinky twists in church today! You know she is going to be a mainstream trend setter.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21194</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.prometheus6.org/node/21307&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No Quarter USA seems to have dropped from the same rump as LGF&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.prometheus6.org/node/21307" REL="nofollow">No Quarter USA seems to have dropped from the same rump as LGF</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21192</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m listening to the speech live and I like it even less.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am offended that he would do this.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I had a father and a husband/father to my children and this offends me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m listening to the speech live and I like it even less.</p>
<p>I am offended that he would do this.</p>
<p>I had a father and a husband/father to my children and this offends me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21191</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a video of one on one with Obama a year ago on Father&#039;s Day. Also, shows the girls. June 2007&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t worry...less than 5 mins&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CURvgDRDg3M&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a video of one on one with Obama a year ago on Father&#8217;s Day. Also, shows the girls. June 2007</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry&#8230;less than 5 mins</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CURvgDRDg3M&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CURvgDRDg3M&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21189</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read &quot;Learning to be Michelle Obama&quot; that Rikyrah posted at the top.  I am so glad someone finally wrote about Michelle&#039;s experiences in college!  A must read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read &#8220;Learning to be Michelle Obama&#8221; that Rikyrah posted at the top.  I am so glad someone finally wrote about Michelle&#8217;s experiences in college!  A must read.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21187</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m not done ranting Rikyrah:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On Huffington, this is the headline on the main page:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/15/obamas-fathers-day-speech_n_107220.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama Rebukes Absent Black Fathers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Check out the comments if you&#039;re inclined.  Most people think it was great.  This one comment I&#039;ve pasted below was moving.  Really, would it be so hard just to say Happy Father&#039;s day to my black brothers without the rebuke?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;PAposter See Profile I&#039;m a Fan of PAposter&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is my firm belief that people do the best that they can, with what they have to work with. It&#039;s not about what you or I would do, but what is possible for a given individual. This includes their mental capacity, their physical abilities, their perceived possibilities and their true opportunities. Having said that, I hope that each man and his child&#039;s mother, and his child, will seek to acknowledge, embrace and expand his or her reality. Then and only then will things be different, good, possible, better. Because, as the saying goes: When nothing changes, nothing changes.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Happy Father Day My Beautiful Black Brothers....and to all those that seek to be better fathers, and to be the best man he can be for his sons and his daughters.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Peace be with you.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m not done ranting Rikyrah:</p>
<p>On Huffington, this is the headline on the main page:<br /><a HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/15/obamas-fathers-day-speech_n_107220.html" REL="nofollow">Obama Rebukes Absent Black Fathers</a></p>
<p>Check out the comments if you&#8217;re inclined.  Most people think it was great.  This one comment I&#8217;ve pasted below was moving.  Really, would it be so hard just to say Happy Father&#8217;s day to my black brothers without the rebuke?</p>
<p><i>PAposter See Profile I&#8217;m a Fan of PAposter</p>
<p>It is my firm belief that people do the best that they can, with what they have to work with. It&#8217;s not about what you or I would do, but what is possible for a given individual. This includes their mental capacity, their physical abilities, their perceived possibilities and their true opportunities. Having said that, I hope that each man and his child&#8217;s mother, and his child, will seek to acknowledge, embrace and expand his or her reality. Then and only then will things be different, good, possible, better. Because, as the saying goes: When nothing changes, nothing changes.</p>
<p>Happy Father Day My Beautiful Black Brothers&#8230;.and to all those that seek to be better fathers, and to be the best man he can be for his sons and his daughters.</p>
<p>Peace be with you.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21186</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rick Sanchez is filling space, but Obama opened that door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth</p>
<p>Rick Sanchez is filling space, but Obama opened that door.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21183</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I misjudged Rick, either that or people have been emailing him.  The speech didn&#039;t feel right to me, and Rick articulates why...Is the speech slapping black guys around a bit to make a point?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some parts just sounded so trite.  He ad-libs: Any fool can make a child, but it takes a man to be a father..or something like that.  It&#039;s like going to someone&#039;s birthday party and berating them about how old they&#039;re getting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m done ranting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I misjudged Rick, either that or people have been emailing him.  The speech didn&#8217;t feel right to me, and Rick articulates why&#8230;Is the speech slapping black guys around a bit to make a point?  </p>
<p>Some parts just sounded so trite.  He ad-libs: Any fool can make a child, but it takes a man to be a father..or something like that.  It&#8217;s like going to someone&#8217;s birthday party and berating them about how old they&#8217;re getting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m done ranting.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21182</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>truthseeker,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rick Sanchez is a clown. A straight up clown. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Like I said, it&#039;s Hampton, VA all over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>truthseeker,</p>
<p>Rick Sanchez is a clown. A straight up clown. </p>
<p>Like I said, it&#8217;s Hampton, VA all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: PTCruiser</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21181</link>
		<dc:creator>PTCruiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so tired of me and mine being converted again and again into branches on other folks&#039; learning tree. Tired. Of. It.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so tired of me and mine being converted again and again into branches on other folks&#8217; learning tree. Tired. Of. It.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21178</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was foolish to go there.  It really won&#039;t serve him well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was foolish to go there.  It really won&#8217;t serve him well.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/sunday-open-thread-happy-fathers-day/comment-page-2/#comment-21177</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok..now Rick Sanchez is saying the Father&#039;s Day speech is trying to cut into the white male vote.  He asks if this is Barack sharing something personal or if it&#039;s Machiavellian.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rick is asking if he&#039;s saying to angry white guys that he&#039;s calling out black guys for not looking after their kids and if that might win points with white guys be get criticism from blacks...paraphrasing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok..now Rick Sanchez is saying the Father&#8217;s Day speech is trying to cut into the white male vote.  He asks if this is Barack sharing something personal or if it&#8217;s Machiavellian.</p>
<p>Rick is asking if he&#8217;s saying to angry white guys that he&#8217;s calling out black guys for not looking after their kids and if that might win points with white guys be get criticism from blacks&#8230;paraphrasing.</p>
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