Comments on: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

By: icebergslim

icebergslim — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:44:45 +0000

You are correct here, rikyrah.

Initially, I was not all that keen about Clark touting this. Why? Because in the end you don't get votes for being perceived going after a war hero, and we know that is how the MSM will and is playing this out.

But there was nothing incorrect in what Clark stated. He simply said in a nutshell, "that McCain does not have the executive experience in national security." He outlined the examples and explained that Obama is not running on this platform, as McCain is for experience in this. And in the end, neither Obama or McCain have executive experience in national security. Neither had to make the decision to flip the switch and drop the bomb, or tell a bunch of generals and admirals what to do.

I think that Clark is being Obama's attack dog. Though, Obama denouced "how the statement" was made, he did not throw Clark under the bus. There is a diary up on kos explaining it, here.

I now put Clark in the top three, for VP.

By: rikyrah

rikyrah — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:23:14 +0000

Democrats always pick the wrong stuff. Clark was a perfect choice to use against McCain to flip the script on the ' Who actually IS an elitist' memo.
Clark could have hit McCain about being the son and grandson of ADMIRALS, all the while using his public position to vote AGAINST measures that would help the average, everyday soldier who doesn't come from such a privileged socio-economic background. Clark was the perfect one to point out that McCain LIED about supporting the new GI Bill, when he a) fought it at every turn, and b) wouldn't even cast a vote on it. Clark would have been a good attack dog on those points…not this one. I don't even argue about that. Yes,he pimped the POW thing to get into the Senate; I'm more pissed about him voting AGAINST the common soldier, all the while hiding behind the POW/Uber Patriot flag.

By: icebergslim

icebergslim — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:44:45 +0000

By: rikyrah

rikyrah — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:23:14 +0000

By: AnthonyMason2k6

AnthonyMason2k6 — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:56:37 +0000

All I am saying is, let's not act like the Republicans with Bush! If BO does the wrong thing he must catch the heat for it. Just saying that “hey What are you going to do? Vote McCain” isnt enough to motivate folks. Barack has to be more than “be scared of John McCain.”

is that too much to ask?

By: CraigHickman

CraigHickman — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:54:01 +0000

I've read this comment in about 10 other places.

Copy and pasting is so, well, unoriginal.

By: AnthonyMason2k6

AnthonyMason2k6 — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:50:12 +0000

I dont care about narrow social issues! I care about ending the war; I care about the returning the rule of law in this country. Now, are you saying that his position on FISA is principled? Come on!

Obviously, he's better than McCain or even Hillary, but he's proving to be more of the same.

By: AnthonyMason2k6

AnthonyMason2k6 — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:46:09 +0000

And I understand that. But when the main theme of your campaign is “CHANGE” you must live up to that. I mean, before being in the senate he spoke about the humanity of the Palestinians; then last year he spoke about NOT letting the Likud party dictate american's relations to israel to now, the brother is farther to the right of Bill Kristol when it comes to Israel. He even called Israel's security “Sacrosant”; Not even Bush talks like that! How did he get there? Not only that, but he has a Pro-Walmart man running his economic team, he's got the same awful clinton people on foreign policy (including Madeline “I dont care about Iraqi children” Albright), he's changed his position on FISA, public campaign finance, his Cuba/Latin America speech is more American imperialism (I'm beginning to call it Manifest Destiny with a Black face on it), and that's without mentioning his reaction to the two latest supreme court decision (the death penalty one and the 2nd ammendment one), and the fact that his Iraq withdraw plan leaves all the Blackwater mercenaries intact!

I understand that certain things must be done in order to achieve power, but at what price? By the time he'll get there we wont know him or what he stands for!

By: lamh

lamh — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:59:07 +0000

Good for you. I've decided that I don't need all that drama in my life. I'll stick to blogs/post with a least a modicum of respectfulness by the site host, here for example. I may even post a comment on 2 on dkos if I just can't help myself, but it will no longer be a “destination” of mine. Ya know what I mean.

By: CraigHickman

CraigHickman — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:47:39 +0000

I've decided to be a voice in the wildnerness over there. The melodrama is very petty. But it might also be destructive. So, I'm speaking out against it.

By: CraigHickman

CraigHickman — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:46:47 +0000

He did. And since he said he spoke with Barack with a smirk on his face, defending Barack anyway, told us Barck was a true patriot, and then went right back to standing by his remarks, I no longer need to flip-flop and am now convinced that this is nothing but a good old fashioned good cop/bad cop strategy.

By: lamh

lamh — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:27:49 +0000

Well, I am officially done with dkos.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/30/205348/...

By: Maylonie

Maylonie — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:22:42 +0000

Thank you CraigHickman. You say it for me. Yes, vote for Barack because at the end of the day he's so much better than McCain.

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By: lamh

lamh — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:55:17 +0000

Oh,

I hear Clark did pretty well on Verdict

By: lamh

lamh — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:54:37 +0000

Isn't Tara Wall the repub who called Michelle Obama an “racist ingrate”, or “angry harridan”?

No wait, sorry that was (?) Massie

By: CraigHickman

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:21:02 +0000

Have Mercy. Dan Abrams has Tara Wall and Tucker on to discuss this issue.

I'm going to throw up now.

By: CraigHickman

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:13:17 +0000

Clark is on right now defending himself. I think after watching this second showing and his reference to Barack as a true patriot, RonnieB is on point.

By: CraigHickman

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:11:53 +0000

I'm part of his base and he hasn't pissed me off.

Barack IS a politician. He's not a savior, or a messiah, or a perfect man.

He IS trying to get elected President, though. And unless or until he sells his soul, he better do whatever he has to do to give him the best chance to be elected. Let people be pissed off. But they better get over and vote for him because at the end of the day, he's better than John McCain.

Period.

By: CraigHickman

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:06:10 +0000

Not this one. I have no problem with Barack's stance on the CA marriage amendment, precisely because he supports the California Supreme Court decision.

He also wants to repeal DOMA in its entirety and offer federal benefits, including immigration benefits, to same-sex couples in committed unions.