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		<title>By: kenyaw</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/monday-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-160012</link>
		<dc:creator>kenyaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on the white background...</description>
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		<title>By: kenyaw</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/monday-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-160013</link>
		<dc:creator>kenyaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,&lt;br&gt;I thought that was silly as well. I don&#039;t want to hear of another reject or denounce from the Obama campaign. I really don&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;It is dissapointing to see this simple media, that is dumbing down most Americans.  It is sad that Gen Clark in making a simple reasonable statement is being used to make HEADLINE news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,<br />I thought that was silly as well. I don&#39;t want to hear of another reject or denounce from the Obama campaign. I really don&#39;t.<br />It is dissapointing to see this simple media, that is dumbing down most Americans.  It is sad that Gen Clark in making a simple reasonable statement is being used to make HEADLINE news.</p>
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		<title>By: kenyaw</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/monday-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-43678</link>
		<dc:creator>kenyaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on the white background...</description>
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		<title>By: kenyaw</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/monday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-43684</link>
		<dc:creator>kenyaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,&lt;br&gt;I thought that was silly as well. I don&#039;t want to hear of another reject or denounce from the Obama campaign. I really don&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;It is dissapointing to see this simple media, that is dumbing down most Americans.  It is sad that Gen Clark in making a simple reasonable statement is being used to make HEADLINE news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,<br />I thought that was silly as well. I don&#39;t want to hear of another reject or denounce from the Obama campaign. I really don&#39;t.<br />It is dissapointing to see this simple media, that is dumbing down most Americans.  It is sad that Gen Clark in making a simple reasonable statement is being used to make HEADLINE news.</p>
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		<title>By: taritac</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/monday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-43657</link>
		<dc:creator>taritac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, has anyone heard about this? Three states have anti-affirmative action measures on ballots: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/30/affirmative_action_on_ballot_in_three&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/30/affirmati...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, has anyone heard about this? Three states have anti-affirmative action measures on ballots: <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/30/affirmative_action_on_ballot_in_three"></a><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/30/affirmati.." rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/30/affirmati..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: EarthTone</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/monday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-43673</link>
		<dc:creator>EarthTone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will have to agree to disagree. The comment that the Democratic Party has been duping and using &quot;black folks&quot; is debatable.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Meanwhile, the existence of the GOP Southern Strategy to appeal to white racist ex-Dixiecrats is a fact that was acknowledged by no less than Ken Mehlman - see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/washington/18race.html&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/washington/18...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am familiar with the NBRA. The cling a lot to the black Republican past, which is understandable, because they seem to have little going for them in the present... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is all well and good for them to attack Obama, but I would think they want to be known for more than just being the GOP&#039;s black hatchet men. (One ad states &quot;Obama is an arrogant elitist who turned his back on poor blacks and his own country.&quot;  Yes, that is hatchet-ry.) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But then, my thinking on what black Republicans want to be known for could be wrong. Perhaps in the end, these ads are pretty much what they&#039;re about, no more, no less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will have to agree to disagree. The comment that the Democratic Party has been duping and using &#8220;black folks&#8221; is debatable.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, the existence of the GOP Southern Strategy to appeal to white racist ex-Dixiecrats is a fact that was acknowledged by no less than Ken Mehlman &#8211; see <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/washington/18race.html"></a><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/washington/18.." rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/washington/18..</a>.</p>
<p>I am familiar with the NBRA. The cling a lot to the black Republican past, which is understandable, because they seem to have little going for them in the present&#8230; </p>
<p>It is all well and good for them to attack Obama, but I would think they want to be known for more than just being the GOP&#39;s black hatchet men. (One ad states &#8220;Obama is an arrogant elitist who turned his back on poor blacks and his own country.&#8221;  Yes, that is hatchet-ry.) </p>
<p>But then, my thinking on what black Republicans want to be known for could be wrong. Perhaps in the end, these ads are pretty much what they&#39;re about, no more, no less.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democratic Party has been duping and using &quot;black folks&quot; for decades now, and they need to really look at the issues. The NBRA ads are presenting the facts, and facts harm no one...well, other than the Democratic Party, perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democratic Party has been duping and using &#8220;black folks&#8221; for decades now, and they need to really look at the issues. The NBRA ads are presenting the facts, and facts harm no one&#8230;well, other than the Democratic Party, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: EarthTone</title>
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		<dc:creator>EarthTone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can the ads hurt them more?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, right now, many black folks think of black Republicans as being &quot;wrong&quot; on the issues.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These attack ads present black Republicans as not just &quot;wrong&quot; but &quot;bad.&quot; They&#039;re now going beyond having unwelcome positions, to now using unwelcome campaign tactics. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that could generate more ill will against the black GOP, especially for the part of the black electorate that is becoming sensitized to the attacks on Barack and also Michelle Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can the ads hurt them more?</p>
<p>Well, right now, many black folks think of black Republicans as being &#8220;wrong&#8221; on the issues.</p>
<p>These attack ads present black Republicans as not just &#8220;wrong&#8221; but &#8220;bad.&#8221; They&#39;re now going beyond having unwelcome positions, to now using unwelcome campaign tactics. </p>
<p>I think that could generate more ill will against the black GOP, especially for the part of the black electorate that is becoming sensitized to the attacks on Barack and also Michelle Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: taritac</title>
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		<dc:creator>taritac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Site looks great. Congratulations!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama is not getting any money from me this month-- Father&#039;s Day, FISA, denouncing and rejecting Clark, liking the handgun decision, wanting to expand the death penalty to include child rape, have all been giant disappointments to me. I know the conventional wisdom says that Democrats have to run to the center, but every time we do that we lose.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He put himself in this position of having to please his most ardent supporters, many of whom are liberal, in order to get campaign dollars. When he disappoints us, we don&#039;t give. I have a feeling his June numbers are going to be way down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Site looks great. Congratulations!!</p>
<p>Obama is not getting any money from me this month&#8211; Father&#39;s Day, FISA, denouncing and rejecting Clark, liking the handgun decision, wanting to expand the death penalty to include child rape, have all been giant disappointments to me. I know the conventional wisdom says that Democrats have to run to the center, but every time we do that we lose.</p>
<p>He put himself in this position of having to please his most ardent supporters, many of whom are liberal, in order to get campaign dollars. When he disappoints us, we don&#39;t give. I have a feeling his June numbers are going to be way down.</p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/monday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-43665</link>
		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol,aw come on, he could have had ONE black guy working in the factory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol,aw come on, he could have had ONE black guy working in the factory.</p>
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		<title>By: pjamma</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjamma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the new site!  Congrats on the move</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the new site!  Congrats on the move</p>
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		<title>By: Karmi</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/monday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-43670</link>
		<dc:creator>Karmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know...I know, &quot;Field Negroes&quot; are in the majority, and consider Black Republicans to be &quot;House Negroes&quot;. How can the ads hurt them any more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know&#8230;I know, &#8220;Field Negroes&#8221; are in the majority, and consider Black Republicans to be &#8220;House Negroes&#8221;. How can the ads hurt them any more?</p>
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		<title>By: EarthTone</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/monday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-43669</link>
		<dc:creator>EarthTone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These attacks on Obama will have minimal effect, if any, in the black community.  In fact, they could backfire on blacks in the GOP.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Black Republicans already have a bad image in the minds of black voters; consider &lt;a href=&quot;http://allotherpersons.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/the-myth-that-blacks-only-vote-black/&quot;&gt;this.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think a lot of black voters will come to think that black Republicans are doing the GOP&#039;s &quot;dirty work&quot; by running these negative attack ads. This will not help black Republicans&#039; reputation among African Americans, but rather, damage it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These attacks on Obama will have minimal effect, if any, in the black community.  In fact, they could backfire on blacks in the GOP.</p>
<p>Black Republicans already have a bad image in the minds of black voters; consider <a href="http://allotherpersons.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/the-myth-that-blacks-only-vote-black/">this.</a></p>
<p>I think a lot of black voters will come to think that black Republicans are doing the GOP&#39;s &#8220;dirty work&#8221; by running these negative attack ads. This will not help black Republicans&#39; reputation among African Americans, but rather, damage it.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you have. Because John McCain is targeting non-white people and Barack is targeting non-black people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s an election that needs to be won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you have. Because John McCain is targeting non-white people and Barack is targeting non-black people.</p>
<p>There&#39;s an election that needs to be won.</p>
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		<title>By: EarthTone</title>
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		<dc:creator>EarthTone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is cute: &lt;a href=&quot;http://allotherpersons.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/separated-at-birth/&quot;&gt;separated at birth with Obama and Tim Russ&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is cute: <a href="http://allotherpersons.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/separated-at-birth/">separated at birth with Obama and Tim Russ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I&#039;m not.   The one person who looked like they &quot;might&quot; be a person of color was seen during the part where he was talking about moving the people off the welfare rolls.  I realize he has to appeal to the &quot;mainstream&quot; but I&#039;ve seen more black people in a John McCain ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I&#39;m not.   The one person who looked like they &#8220;might&#8221; be a person of color was seen during the part where he was talking about moving the people off the welfare rolls.  I realize he has to appeal to the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; but I&#39;ve seen more black people in a John McCain ad.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re kidding, right?</description>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/obama-releases-second-gen_n_110034.html&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/obama-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Um, where the black people at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/obama-releases-second-gen_n_110034.html"></a><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/obama-.." rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/obama-..</a>.</p>
<p>Um, where the black people at?</p>
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		<title>By: Karmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn’t look or sound like an “attack” to me. Ads offered the facts. HuffPo didn’t link to the NBRA though, and only showed a few of the ads. One link has six more ads. HuffPo shows the one with three ads.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nbra.info/&quot;&gt;National Black Republican Association&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look for the “Radio Ads” section, about a ¼ of the way down.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkUJEDYBnBQ&quot;&gt;  &lt;br&gt;NBRA Martin Luther King Was A Republican&lt;/a&gt; (six ads)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn’t look or sound like an “attack” to me. Ads offered the facts. HuffPo didn’t link to the NBRA though, and only showed a few of the ads. One link has six more ads. HuffPo shows the one with three ads.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nbra.info/">National Black Republican Association</a></p>
<p>Look for the “Radio Ads” section, about a ¼ of the way down.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkUJEDYBnBQ">  <br />NBRA Martin Luther King Was A Republican</a> (six ads)</p>
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		<title>By: akonuche</title>
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		<dc:creator>akonuche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How pathetic. Self-hate is a terrible thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve got a video for you. If anyone tells you that racism hasn&#039;t been in the coverage of Obama&#039;s run, have them take a look at this. I&#039;m sure many here will agree with Harriet &quot;Christian&quot; that 99% of us black folk are all backing Obama solely because he is black.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ti19VwLzkY&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ti19VwLzkY&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pass it on so more people can be aware of this bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How pathetic. Self-hate is a terrible thing.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve got a video for you. If anyone tells you that racism hasn&#39;t been in the coverage of Obama&#39;s run, have them take a look at this. I&#39;m sure many here will agree with Harriet &#8220;Christian&#8221; that 99% of us black folk are all backing Obama solely because he is black.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ti19VwLzkY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ti19VwLzkY</a></p>
<p>Pass it on so more people can be aware of this bullshit.</p>
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