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		<title>By: Ro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for quoting Dr. Dorothy Height. She is a role model for us all, and I hope you will write more about her.</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Hickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Hickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There&#039;s a whole crowd of folks waking up today saying &quot;well if Barack says it&#039;s a good thing, it must be.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;::&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Barack plays chess. Not checkers. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll withhold judgment about him selling out until he&#039;s elected and then we&#039;ll see what he does about all these crimes. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This much I know: he won&#039;t be able to do shit if he&#039;s not elected.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I believe he&#039;s posturing. Telecom companies are not immune from criminal prosecution, even with this bill. That&#039;s not a small point.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;::&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;rikyrah, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I want to make it clear that Alter didn&#039;t just defend Michelle. He told Larson that he was using racism in his attacks trying to turn Michelle into an angry Black woman. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;White people don&#039;t say that to white people on cable television.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve always believed that white people need to do anti-racist work with each other. White people simply refuse to hear it when a Black person denounces racism.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As I said already many times, I understand the beating Barack is taking about his Father&#039;s Day speech. But whether he intended it or not, I think he gave certain white people impetus to go after certain white people for their racism in public.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;::&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;About Georgia. It seems to me Barrow&#039;s challenger should win the primary if she can get 95% of the Black folks in her district to vote for her.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Barack&#039;s endorsement, in addition to being cronyism, might simply help him have a better chance of winning Georgia if the conservative Georgia Democrats begin to see that Barack isn&#039;t the radical liberal his opponents are painting him out to be.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe that&#039;s the constituency he&#039;s politricking, not Black progressives. He&#039;ll take their votes to win the general election and then do whatever he&#039;s going to do in the Oval Office.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just a thought.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;::&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t think that Barack his taking the Black vote for granted at all. This was confirmed for me when I saw his list of hires a week ago. He had all his constituency outreach coordinators listed and I was wary that it would show that he was taking some of his base for granted. But he&#039;s not taking any of his base for granted. He hired an African American outreach coordinator, along with one for Hispanic voters, GLBT voters, and women.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;::&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess I just choose not to be cynical about Barack&#039;s motives at this point in the election. There&#039;s a whole lot more going on than meets the eye.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But with the way Barack is being blackened in a negative way by his opposition, it would seem silly for him not to remind people that a big part of him is just like those who are trying to negatively blacken him. If Barack was insecure about his blackness, I see NO WAY that he marries Michelle, whom he obviously adores.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not turning a blind eye to anything that Barack is saying or doing. I&#039;m just not taking any of it personally right now. I&#039;m still willing to see where this imperfect politician goes from here.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He hasn&#039;t sold his soul. Yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There&#8217;s a whole crowd of folks waking up today saying &#8220;well if Barack says it&#8217;s a good thing, it must be.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>::</p>
<p>Barack plays chess. Not checkers. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll withhold judgment about him selling out until he&#8217;s elected and then we&#8217;ll see what he does about all these crimes. </p>
<p>This much I know: he won&#8217;t be able to do shit if he&#8217;s not elected.</p>
<p>I believe he&#8217;s posturing. Telecom companies are not immune from criminal prosecution, even with this bill. That&#8217;s not a small point.</p>
<p>::</p>
<p>rikyrah, </p>
<p>I want to make it clear that Alter didn&#8217;t just defend Michelle. He told Larson that he was using racism in his attacks trying to turn Michelle into an angry Black woman. </p>
<p>White people don&#8217;t say that to white people on cable television.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always believed that white people need to do anti-racist work with each other. White people simply refuse to hear it when a Black person denounces racism.</p>
<p>As I said already many times, I understand the beating Barack is taking about his Father&#8217;s Day speech. But whether he intended it or not, I think he gave certain white people impetus to go after certain white people for their racism in public.</p>
<p>::</p>
<p>About Georgia. It seems to me Barrow&#8217;s challenger should win the primary if she can get 95% of the Black folks in her district to vote for her.</p>
<p>Barack&#8217;s endorsement, in addition to being cronyism, might simply help him have a better chance of winning Georgia if the conservative Georgia Democrats begin to see that Barack isn&#8217;t the radical liberal his opponents are painting him out to be.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s the constituency he&#8217;s politricking, not Black progressives. He&#8217;ll take their votes to win the general election and then do whatever he&#8217;s going to do in the Oval Office.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
<p>::</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that Barack his taking the Black vote for granted at all. This was confirmed for me when I saw his list of hires a week ago. He had all his constituency outreach coordinators listed and I was wary that it would show that he was taking some of his base for granted. But he&#8217;s not taking any of his base for granted. He hired an African American outreach coordinator, along with one for Hispanic voters, GLBT voters, and women.</p>
<p>::</p>
<p>I guess I just choose not to be cynical about Barack&#8217;s motives at this point in the election. There&#8217;s a whole lot more going on than meets the eye.</p>
<p>But with the way Barack is being blackened in a negative way by his opposition, it would seem silly for him not to remind people that a big part of him is just like those who are trying to negatively blacken him. If Barack was insecure about his blackness, I see NO WAY that he marries Michelle, whom he obviously adores.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not turning a blind eye to anything that Barack is saying or doing. I&#8217;m just not taking any of it personally right now. I&#8217;m still willing to see where this imperfect politician goes from here.</p>
<p>He hasn&#8217;t sold his soul. Yet.</p>
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		<title>By: BigAssBelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigAssBelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rikyrah:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;About Barrow again: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Politics ain&#039;t pretty a lot of times, but should he throw over someone who supported him, &#039; back when&#039; for someone else. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, the bottom line here is, someone supported him, when he needed supporting. And now, because you like the politics of his opponent, he&#039;s supposed to just ditch this person?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No, not if you&#039;re the same old crappy politician we&#039;ve always had. If you&#039;re running on a platform of change, then you stand up and tell this guy ~ in private, in public ~ why you cannot support him. This fool in Georgia is a republican ~ a far right republican ~ running on the democratic platform. The challenger is a progressive. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Either you stand for something or you don&#039;t. Supporting someone because they did something for you is the worst kind of cronyism. It is politics without values. We&#039;ve got that already.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;_______&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;heartsandflowers:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;I understand people are upset about FISA, but Obama never supported blanket immunity.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A few weeks ago, Obama made a principled stand in defense of the constitution and against the bullshit FISA bill the republicans were trying to pass. He was roundly applauded for not buying into the Bush admin bullshit that we&#039;ve been manipulated with for the last eight years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yesterday, he just reversed that stand and made a statement which reiterated all of the same old tired Bush crap. &lt;i&gt;&quot;Given the grave threats that we face, our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists before they strike, while respecting the rule of law and the privacy and civil liberties of the American people. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oooooh, once again, we&#039;re being frightened with terrorist threats, and it&#039;s coming from, of all people, Obama. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The whole issue of FISA makes folks&#039; eyes cross, I know it. It&#039;s not a marketable issue, but it is profoundly important to this nation because it is a constitutional issue, and we&#039;ve had an administration running roughshod over the constitution for eight years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here&#039;s what the republicans are saying about this cave in:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;The proposal — particularly the immunity provision — represents a major victory for the White House after months of dispute. &quot;I think the White House got a better deal than they even they had hoped to get,&quot; said Senator Christopher Bond, the Missouri Republican who led the negotiations. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That makes me feel like throwing up. With only 17% of the people thinking we&#039;re on the right track in this country, a president with approval ratings in the mid-20s, we have a wildly popular candidate for president who jumps on the republican bus and sells us out. The one man most people listen to right now because of his thoughtful and measured way of examining issues.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There&#039;s a whole crowd of folks waking up today saying &quot;well if &lt;i&gt;Barack&lt;/i&gt; says it&#039;s a good thing, it must be.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bullshit. He sold us out. I am still just not believing it. An coupled with the support of that Georgia asshat and his economic policies, it&#039;s just too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rikyrah:</p>
<p><i>About Barrow again: </p>
<p>Politics ain&#8217;t pretty a lot of times, but should he throw over someone who supported him, &#8216; back when&#8217; for someone else. </p>
<p>So, the bottom line here is, someone supported him, when he needed supporting. And now, because you like the politics of his opponent, he&#8217;s supposed to just ditch this person?</i></p>
<p>No, not if you&#8217;re the same old crappy politician we&#8217;ve always had. If you&#8217;re running on a platform of change, then you stand up and tell this guy ~ in private, in public ~ why you cannot support him. This fool in Georgia is a republican ~ a far right republican ~ running on the democratic platform. The challenger is a progressive. </p>
<p>Either you stand for something or you don&#8217;t. Supporting someone because they did something for you is the worst kind of cronyism. It is politics without values. We&#8217;ve got that already.</p>
<p>_______</p>
<p>heartsandflowers:</p>
<p><i>I understand people are upset about FISA, but Obama never supported blanket immunity.</i></p>
<p>A few weeks ago, Obama made a principled stand in defense of the constitution and against the bullshit FISA bill the republicans were trying to pass. He was roundly applauded for not buying into the Bush admin bullshit that we&#8217;ve been manipulated with for the last eight years.</p>
<p>Yesterday, he just reversed that stand and made a statement which reiterated all of the same old tired Bush crap. <i>&#8220;Given the grave threats that we face, our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists before they strike, while respecting the rule of law and the privacy and civil liberties of the American people. </i></p>
<p>Oooooh, once again, we&#8217;re being frightened with terrorist threats, and it&#8217;s coming from, of all people, Obama. </p>
<p>The whole issue of FISA makes folks&#8217; eyes cross, I know it. It&#8217;s not a marketable issue, but it is profoundly important to this nation because it is a constitutional issue, and we&#8217;ve had an administration running roughshod over the constitution for eight years.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what the republicans are saying about this cave in:</p>
<p><i>The proposal — particularly the immunity provision — represents a major victory for the White House after months of dispute. &#8220;I think the White House got a better deal than they even they had hoped to get,&#8221; said Senator Christopher Bond, the Missouri Republican who led the negotiations. <br /></i><br />That makes me feel like throwing up. With only 17% of the people thinking we&#8217;re on the right track in this country, a president with approval ratings in the mid-20s, we have a wildly popular candidate for president who jumps on the republican bus and sells us out. The one man most people listen to right now because of his thoughtful and measured way of examining issues.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a whole crowd of folks waking up today saying &#8220;well if <i>Barack</i> says it&#8217;s a good thing, it must be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bullshit. He sold us out. I am still just not believing it. An coupled with the support of that Georgia asshat and his economic policies, it&#8217;s just too much.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I just got it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Watching a piece on Dollar Bill, and the Headlines are  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Meet the Jeffersons&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot; Moving On Down&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I..I....I....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll just leave it alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG.</p>
<p>I just got it. </p>
<p>Watching a piece on Dollar Bill, and the Headlines are  </p>
<p>&#8220;Meet the Jeffersons&#8221;.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8221; Moving On Down&#8221; </p>
<p>I..I&#8230;.I&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just leave it alone.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolf Blitzer has to be on something. It&#039;s not humanly possible for him to always be on CNN.....what, seven days a week? He&#039;s an experiment, like from The Incredible Hulk. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know it&#039;s 6 because he does that Sunday show. Does he work on Saturday, or is that when they plug him into the electrical unit to charge his batteries for the rest of the week. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He&#039;s taken over for the hideous Campbell Brown the past few nights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolf Blitzer has to be on something. It&#8217;s not humanly possible for him to always be on CNN&#8230;..what, seven days a week? He&#8217;s an experiment, like from The Incredible Hulk. </p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s 6 because he does that Sunday show. Does he work on Saturday, or is that when they plug him into the electrical unit to charge his batteries for the rest of the week. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s taken over for the hideous Campbell Brown the past few nights.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching Washington Week tonight, and the lady from Politico.com brought up that Obama&#039;s 50 State Strategy is an attempt to do to McCAin what he did to Hillary Clinton - bankrupt her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching Washington Week tonight, and the lady from Politico.com brought up that Obama&#8217;s 50 State Strategy is an attempt to do to McCAin what he did to Hillary Clinton &#8211; bankrupt her.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ms. martin, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;if he ever is this blunt again, I&#039;ll be surprised. If you&#039;re a Black candidate, you&#039;re not given many times to bring this up, no matter how many monkey dolls are created. NO WAY could he have done what Hillary did, and every surrogate she had did. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;NO WAY. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You get one time, maybe two. He&#039;s also probably playing on the unackowledged guilt of the MSM, who was &#039;mum&#039;, even though they saw the racebaiting. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway you see it, if he brings it up again between now and November, I&#039;ll be shocked. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bring it up NOW, just as you&#039;re trying to re-introduce yourself, and put the other  side on the defensive. Try and control your own narrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms. martin, </p>
<p>if he ever is this blunt again, I&#8217;ll be surprised. If you&#8217;re a Black candidate, you&#8217;re not given many times to bring this up, no matter how many monkey dolls are created. NO WAY could he have done what Hillary did, and every surrogate she had did. </p>
<p>NO WAY. </p>
<p>You get one time, maybe two. He&#8217;s also probably playing on the unackowledged guilt of the MSM, who was &#8216;mum&#8217;, even though they saw the racebaiting. </p>
<p>Anyway you see it, if he brings it up again between now and November, I&#8217;ll be shocked. </p>
<p>Bring it up NOW, just as you&#8217;re trying to re-introduce yourself, and put the other  side on the defensive. Try and control your own narrative.</p>
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		<title>By: heartsandflowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>heartsandflowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand people are upset about FISA, but Obama never supported blanket immunity. And it is Bush, the united Rethugs and the cow-towing Dumbocrats that allowed this to happen - and don&#039;t forget all the people that voted for Bush in 2004 and/or had not been politically active. So I just think calmer heads need to prevail. It&#039;s just a bad situation all around. Apparently  lot of people are going to be disappointed if they think Obama is as liberal as a Bill Bradley or going to be able to please everyone 100%. There are plenty of people who want Obama to denounce marriage being categorized as between a man and a woman. I think it is important to pick one&#039;s battles and try to look at the big picture. I know that some polls show Obama ahead and the corporate media is downplaying that. I wouldn&#039;t rely on the numbers from any sources inasmuch as this election is not a given for Obama. He has to play to win. He could say everything people want and possibly mean it and still not win - then what? Will the emotional affirmation be enough? I think regardless of these issues an Obama administration WILL be better than a Bush or McCain one so everyone needs to get to working for the campaign and let your voices be heard. Just know that it isn&#039;t utopia, perfect or even how you assume it will be. It will be different and still sufficient as long as people remain flexible. Unless some bottom line has been crossed and then you should look into supporting another candidate who can meet those needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand people are upset about FISA, but Obama never supported blanket immunity. And it is Bush, the united Rethugs and the cow-towing Dumbocrats that allowed this to happen &#8211; and don&#8217;t forget all the people that voted for Bush in 2004 and/or had not been politically active. So I just think calmer heads need to prevail. It&#8217;s just a bad situation all around. Apparently  lot of people are going to be disappointed if they think Obama is as liberal as a Bill Bradley or going to be able to please everyone 100%. There are plenty of people who want Obama to denounce marriage being categorized as between a man and a woman. I think it is important to pick one&#8217;s battles and try to look at the big picture. I know that some polls show Obama ahead and the corporate media is downplaying that. I wouldn&#8217;t rely on the numbers from any sources inasmuch as this election is not a given for Obama. He has to play to win. He could say everything people want and possibly mean it and still not win &#8211; then what? Will the emotional affirmation be enough? I think regardless of these issues an Obama administration WILL be better than a Bush or McCain one so everyone needs to get to working for the campaign and let your voices be heard. Just know that it isn&#8217;t utopia, perfect or even how you assume it will be. It will be different and still sufficient as long as people remain flexible. Unless some bottom line has been crossed and then you should look into supporting another candidate who can meet those needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you recall my many posts here, I&#039;ve never questioned Obama&#039;s tactics or his strategy regarding responding to attacks - I trusted him. And, I always thought and believe I stated that he wouldn&#039;t fight a Democrat like he would a Republican so I&#039;m not surprised or relieved that he&#039;s is fighting the Republicans.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That being said, I still have to question his motives for now calling a spade a spade for the reasons I mentioned before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah</p>
<p>If you recall my many posts here, I&#8217;ve never questioned Obama&#8217;s tactics or his strategy regarding responding to attacks &#8211; I trusted him. And, I always thought and believe I stated that he wouldn&#8217;t fight a Democrat like he would a Republican so I&#8217;m not surprised or relieved that he&#8217;s is fighting the Republicans.</p>
<p>That being said, I still have to question his motives for now calling a spade a spade for the reasons I mentioned before.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22475</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sure I have.  I just think it odd (well not really, I know it was intentional) that he mentions him the day he&#039;s reprimanding unknown black fathers.  It was to remind the good folks that Michelle is okay, she was raised right by a good black man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig</p>
<p>Sure I have.  I just think it odd (well not really, I know it was intentional) that he mentions him the day he&#8217;s reprimanding unknown black fathers.  It was to remind the good folks that Michelle is okay, she was raised right by a good black man.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22474</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know ms. martin,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have to refer to something craig hickman said last night about the exchange between Jonathan Alter and Lars Larson. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He thought it was something else to see Alter take Larson on to defend Michelle Obama and wasn&#039;t that interesting. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I saw his point. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll couple this with something I read on MyDD last night from one of Obama&#039;s biggest critics over there. This person said that one of the things he had most against Obama was that it would infuriate him that Obama would never enter into direct confrontation with the GOP. That he seemed to be doing all that bi-partisan stuff. But, he has watched Obama over these past few weeks, and defended himself accordingly, attacking Republicans, but never calling them by name. That Obama let the press call out the GOP by name. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There&#039;s no other way to call the GOP racism out. Has to be done directly. Can&#039;t tiptoe around it, when it&#039;s seeping from every direction in GOP Land towards Obama. Pre-emptive innoculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know ms. martin,</p>
<p>I have to refer to something craig hickman said last night about the exchange between Jonathan Alter and Lars Larson. </p>
<p>He thought it was something else to see Alter take Larson on to defend Michelle Obama and wasn&#8217;t that interesting. </p>
<p>I saw his point. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll couple this with something I read on MyDD last night from one of Obama&#8217;s biggest critics over there. This person said that one of the things he had most against Obama was that it would infuriate him that Obama would never enter into direct confrontation with the GOP. That he seemed to be doing all that bi-partisan stuff. But, he has watched Obama over these past few weeks, and defended himself accordingly, attacking Republicans, but never calling them by name. That Obama let the press call out the GOP by name. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no other way to call the GOP racism out. Has to be done directly. Can&#8217;t tiptoe around it, when it&#8217;s seeping from every direction in GOP Land towards Obama. Pre-emptive innoculation.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Hickman</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22473</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Hickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ms.martin, have you not heard Barack talk about his father-in-law before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms.martin, have you not heard Barack talk about his father-in-law before?</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22472</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know the racism is real and the attacks are vicious (I read things in addition to JJP), but I have to wonder because he never really talked about racism in the campaign aside from non-specific statements regarding racism.  He has even said that race wasn&#039;t a factor when we all knew it was.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So again, I have to wonder if this is an attempt to bring his minions back to the fold after the Father&#039;s Day speech where he talked about Michelle&#039;s father working for a living and that ad where he reminds people that he was raised white and right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah</p>
<p>I know the racism is real and the attacks are vicious (I read things in addition to JJP), but I have to wonder because he never really talked about racism in the campaign aside from non-specific statements regarding racism.  He has even said that race wasn&#8217;t a factor when we all knew it was.</p>
<p>So again, I have to wonder if this is an attempt to bring his minions back to the fold after the Father&#8217;s Day speech where he talked about Michelle&#8217;s father working for a living and that ad where he reminds people that he was raised white and right.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Hickman</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22471</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Hickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ms.martin, I think I&#039;m going to make some chow chow for you after harvest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms.martin, I think I&#8217;m going to make some chow chow for you after harvest.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22469</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regarding politician who would endorse another of opposing politics isn&#039;t that the OLD TYPE OF POLTICS THAT HAS WASHINGTON IN GRIDLOCK?</description>
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<p>Regarding politician who would endorse another of opposing politics isn&#8217;t that the OLD TYPE OF POLTICS THAT HAS WASHINGTON IN GRIDLOCK?</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22470</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ms. martin, all you needed to do is watch The Keebler Elf&#039;s show this week...Obama didn&#039;t have to remind anyone of anything regarding race. Obama didn&#039;t make that up. Or anything on Michelle Obama Watch. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We pick and choose what we put as main posts on JJP, but amongst ourselves, in emails, the past couple of weeks, we&#039;ve had stories that just seemed to be one on top of the other.Folks send us stuff all the time, and a lot of it raises the blood pressure. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; So much stuff  that we want to do another Wiki. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s called a pre-emptive strike, and isn&#039;t it the campaign we&#039;ve expected all along from the GOP against Obama? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;He&#039;s Black&lt;br/&gt;He&#039;s Muslim&lt;br/&gt;He&#039;s Black&lt;br/&gt;He&#039;s Muslim&lt;br/&gt;He&#039;s a Radical&lt;br/&gt;Oh yeah, he&#039;s a Black Muslim Radical fomenting uprising. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s all they have against Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms. martin, all you needed to do is watch The Keebler Elf&#8217;s show this week&#8230;Obama didn&#8217;t have to remind anyone of anything regarding race. Obama didn&#8217;t make that up. Or anything on Michelle Obama Watch. </p>
<p>We pick and choose what we put as main posts on JJP, but amongst ourselves, in emails, the past couple of weeks, we&#8217;ve had stories that just seemed to be one on top of the other.Folks send us stuff all the time, and a lot of it raises the blood pressure. </p>
<p> So much stuff  that we want to do another Wiki. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s called a pre-emptive strike, and isn&#8217;t it the campaign we&#8217;ve expected all along from the GOP against Obama? </p>
<p><i>He&#8217;s Black<br />He&#8217;s Muslim<br />He&#8217;s Black<br />He&#8217;s Muslim<br />He&#8217;s a Radical<br />Oh yeah, he&#8217;s a Black Muslim Radical fomenting uprising. </i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s all they have against Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22468</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you meant what his part was in the polarization, it was the Father&#039;s Day speech and his new ad.</description>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22467</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do politicians usually endorse other politicians whose politics are in direct opposition to theirs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;::&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes. Especially if they think it will help them get elected.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess if the people who would elect them aren&#039;t paying attention, that just might happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do politicians usually endorse other politicians whose politics are in direct opposition to theirs.</p>
<p>::</p>
<p>Yes. Especially if they think it will help them get elected.</p>
<p>I guess if the people who would elect them aren&#8217;t paying attention, that just might happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22466</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no part. The suggestion is racism.</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Hickman</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-5/comment-page-4/#comment-22465</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Hickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder if the statement regarding the repubicans reminding people that he is black and Michelle is feisty is an attempt to get us back to fighting over racism and to forget his part in the racial polarizations?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;::&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I wonder if the statement regarding the repubicans reminding people that he is black and Michelle is feisty is an attempt to get us back to fighting over racism and to forget his part in the racial polarizations?</i></p>
<p>::</p>
<p>What part?</p>
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