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	<title>Comments on: Friday Open Thread&#8230;..yeah, it&#8217;s Friday</title>
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		<title>By: Gary Baumgarten</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-3/comment-page-2/#comment-21563</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Baumgarten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Buchanan will be my guest on News Talk Online on Paltalk.com Wed. June 18 at 5 PM New York time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Go to my blog, www.garybaumgarten.com and click on the link to the show to talk or listen to Buchanan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Buchanan will be my guest on News Talk Online on Paltalk.com Wed. June 18 at 5 PM New York time.</p>
<p>Go to my blog, <a href="http://www.garybaumgarten.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.garybaumgarten.com</a> and click on the link to the show to talk or listen to Buchanan.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lordy Anonymous, I didn&#039;t endorse it.  I&#039;d not seen anything similar, but maybe that&#039;s because I&#039;m not New Agey myself. The Kool-aid drinkers don&#039;t diminish Obama or the majority of his supporters.  The really interesting bit (I thought) was that it was written, in spite of himself, by one of the San Francisco Chronicle&#039;s regular columnists, the highly jaded (until now anyway)&amp; funny curmudgeon Mark Morford.  He warned you not to read it! Repeatedly. Too &quot;gooey&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And actually, I really don&#039;t care why any particular individual supports Obama. A vote&#039;s a vote.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(I had to delete &amp; repost this because I got the Examiner &amp; the Chronicle mixed up - excuse me)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lordy Anonymous, I didn&#8217;t endorse it.  I&#8217;d not seen anything similar, but maybe that&#8217;s because I&#8217;m not New Agey myself. The Kool-aid drinkers don&#8217;t diminish Obama or the majority of his supporters.  The really interesting bit (I thought) was that it was written, in spite of himself, by one of the San Francisco Chronicle&#8217;s regular columnists, the highly jaded (until now anyway)&#038; funny curmudgeon Mark Morford.  He warned you not to read it! Repeatedly. Too &#8220;gooey&#8221;.</p>
<p>And actually, I really don&#8217;t care why any particular individual supports Obama. A vote&#8217;s a vote.</p>
<p>(I had to delete &#038; repost this because I got the Examiner &#038; the Chronicle mixed up &#8211; excuse me)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>diana,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;GMAFB.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A joke that reinforces the koolaid drinking &#039;Obamabot&#039; hero worship, &#039;messiah&#039;, cult of personality.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By all means &#039;drink up&#039; if it makes you feel better.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Absolute new age drivel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>diana,</p>
<p>GMAFB.</p>
<p>A joke that reinforces the koolaid drinking &#8216;Obamabot&#8217; hero worship, &#8216;messiah&#8217;, cult of personality.</p>
<p>By all means &#8216;drink up&#8217; if it makes you feel better.</p>
<p>Absolute new age drivel.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-3/comment-page-2/#comment-19719</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Morford (San Francisco Gate)on Obama the Lightworker&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.sfgate.com/&lt;br/&gt;cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/06&lt;br/&gt;/notes060608.DTL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Morford (San Francisco Gate)on Obama the Lightworker</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/</a><br />cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/06<br />/notes060608.DTL</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-3/comment-page-2/#comment-19715</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jelana,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;You don&#039;t have to go listen to the calls. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s &lt;b&gt;exactly&lt;/b&gt; the thing though. They didn&#039;t tell us this would be what it was. They said it was a &quot;National LGBT Conference Call&quot; and this, from the invitation email, is how they described what it was in the email they sent inviting participation yesterday 6/05:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;On this call, we will give a status report of our campaign as a whole, discuss LGBT policy, provide suggestions for how you can be involved and answer questions and hear your concerns.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is what the Obama campaign actually said in the invitation email I got yesterday. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That was not good information to help make an informed decision about whether I should or should not &quot;go listen to the call.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For sure if they had said it was about letting Hillary supporters mourn, I would have stayed away and assumed they were doimg what they needed to do, without question. They could have said this various nice ways, including calling it a unity event with an emphasis on welcoming Clinton&#039;s LGBT supporters into the fold. Or something like that. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is not what they did. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I actually suspect that maybe they had an initial approach planned that fit that description better, and it got hijacked by the Human Rights Campaign possibly in cahoots with Clinton. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Whatever the case, I appreciate good basic information about what something is, so I can know when to stay away. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Because I think you&#039;re probably right, it&#039;s probably best to let them do what they&#039;re doing and just stay away from it under these kinds of circumstances if need be. I know I&#039;m not going to participate in any more &quot;national conference calls&quot; from this campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jelana,</p>
<p><i>You don&#8217;t have to go listen to the calls. </i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s <b>exactly</b> the thing though. They didn&#8217;t tell us this would be what it was. They said it was a &#8220;National LGBT Conference Call&#8221; and this, from the invitation email, is how they described what it was in the email they sent inviting participation yesterday 6/05:</p>
<p><i>On this call, we will give a status report of our campaign as a whole, discuss LGBT policy, provide suggestions for how you can be involved and answer questions and hear your concerns.</i></p>
<p>That is what the Obama campaign actually said in the invitation email I got yesterday. </p>
<p>That was not good information to help make an informed decision about whether I should or should not &#8220;go listen to the call.&#8221;</p>
<p>For sure if they had said it was about letting Hillary supporters mourn, I would have stayed away and assumed they were doimg what they needed to do, without question. They could have said this various nice ways, including calling it a unity event with an emphasis on welcoming Clinton&#8217;s LGBT supporters into the fold. Or something like that. </p>
<p>That is not what they did. </p>
<p>I actually suspect that maybe they had an initial approach planned that fit that description better, and it got hijacked by the Human Rights Campaign possibly in cahoots with Clinton. </p>
<p>Whatever the case, I appreciate good basic information about what something is, so I can know when to stay away. </p>
<p>Because I think you&#8217;re probably right, it&#8217;s probably best to let them do what they&#8217;re doing and just stay away from it under these kinds of circumstances if need be. I know I&#8217;m not going to participate in any more &#8220;national conference calls&#8221; from this campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sasha turns 7 this weekend...she&#039;s having a slumber party...Daddy&#039;s doing Pizza duty..LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sasha turns 7 this weekend&#8230;she&#8217;s having a slumber party&#8230;Daddy&#8217;s doing Pizza duty..LOL</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-3/comment-page-2/#comment-19711</link>
		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For several decades, the Democratic Party has pursued policies designed to drive up the cost of petroleum, and therefore gas at the pump. Remarkably, the Democrats don&#039;t seem to have taken much of a political hit from the current spike in gas prices. Probably that&#039;s because most people don&#039;t realize how different the two parties&#039; energy policies have been.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    ANWR Exploration House Republicans: 91% Supported House Democrats: 86% Opposed&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    Coal-to-Liquid&lt;br/&gt;    House Republicans: 97% Supported&lt;br/&gt;    House Democrats: 78% Opposed&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    Oil Shale Exploration&lt;br/&gt;    House Republicans: 90% Supported&lt;br/&gt;    House Democrats: 86% Opposed&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Exploration&lt;br/&gt;    House Republicans: 81% Supported&lt;br/&gt;    House Democrats: 83% Opposed&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    Refinery Increased Capacity&lt;br/&gt;    House Republicans: 97% Supported&lt;br/&gt;    House Democrats: 96% Opposed&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    SUMMARY&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of American-made oil and gas.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    86% of House Democrats have historically voted against increasing the production of American-made oil and gas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For several decades, the Democratic Party has pursued policies designed to drive up the cost of petroleum, and therefore gas at the pump. Remarkably, the Democrats don&#8217;t seem to have taken much of a political hit from the current spike in gas prices. Probably that&#8217;s because most people don&#8217;t realize how different the two parties&#8217; energy policies have been.</p>
<p>    ANWR Exploration House Republicans: 91% Supported House Democrats: 86% Opposed</p>
<p>    Coal-to-Liquid<br />    House Republicans: 97% Supported<br />    House Democrats: 78% Opposed</p>
<p>    Oil Shale Exploration<br />    House Republicans: 90% Supported<br />    House Democrats: 86% Opposed</p>
<p>    Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Exploration<br />    House Republicans: 81% Supported<br />    House Democrats: 83% Opposed</p>
<p>    Refinery Increased Capacity<br />    House Republicans: 97% Supported<br />    House Democrats: 96% Opposed</p>
<p>    SUMMARY</p>
<p>    91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of American-made oil and gas.</p>
<p>    86% of House Democrats have historically voted against increasing the production of American-made oil and gas</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-3/comment-page-2/#comment-19706</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing I know about the LGBT community politically is what Andrew Sullivan brings up, from time to time. It seems as if Hillpatine had a hardcore group. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obama knows what he&#039;s doing; what he must do.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He&#039;s Jackie Robinson; doesn&#039;t mean he is weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I know about the LGBT community politically is what Andrew Sullivan brings up, from time to time. It seems as if Hillpatine had a hardcore group. </p>
<p>Obama knows what he&#8217;s doing; what he must do.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s Jackie Robinson; doesn&#8217;t mean he is weak.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like show appreciation for the prayer for the Obamas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like show appreciation for the prayer for the Obamas.</p>
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		<title>By: jelana</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-3/comment-page-2/#comment-19703</link>
		<dc:creator>jelana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michelle,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From my take it seems that the LGBT&lt;br/&gt;community from HRC is moving over to Obama.  Let them mourn.  You don&#039;t have to go listen to the calls.  We need every vote we can get.  I don&#039;t see this as him pandering or being pushed around in this instance.  His team I believe is just attempting to be compassionate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michelle,</p>
<p>From my take it seems that the LGBT<br />community from HRC is moving over to Obama.  Let them mourn.  You don&#8217;t have to go listen to the calls.  We need every vote we can get.  I don&#8217;t see this as him pandering or being pushed around in this instance.  His team I believe is just attempting to be compassionate.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/friday-open-threadyeah-its-friday-3/comment-page-2/#comment-19700</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in a general follow-up about the LGBT conference call, there&#039;s a pretty interesting discussion going on about it at Daily Kos here:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/6/191317/2314/73/527760&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anyone on the OBAMA LGBT conference call? &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s on the rec list now, apparently.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m &quot;Michellebird&quot; in the discussion and trying hard to be more measured in what I say. Don&#039;t know how well that&#039;s going, but seems ok  :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One very interesting comment IMO is from ChristieKeith who &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/6/6/191317/2314/61#c61&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;my girlfriend supported Clinton. I&#039;m aware that many of her supporters feel really bad right now. My response to my feelings about what I see Clinton having done in this election is not to demonize her or her supporters, but to focus on our common goals and on the general election.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;That&#039;s why this call felt so off to me, because it was all this very elaborate hand-holding and endless time spent on their &quot;emotional processing,&quot; it really struck me as bizarre, frankly.&lt;/b&gt; [emphasis mine - Michelle]&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Like I said, I cried like a baby over Howard Dean. I love my girlfriend and I&#039;m sad that she&#039;s sad. But this went way, way beyond any kind of welcome or unity into group therapy or something. Freaked me right out.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reason I think this comment is so insightful is that it ties in to what I have seen of the Wounded White Woman dynamic playing out in all of this (which may apparently expand to include white gay men in this particular case ... I don&#039;t know).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in a general follow-up about the LGBT conference call, there&#8217;s a pretty interesting discussion going on about it at Daily Kos here:</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/6/191317/2314/73/527760" REL="nofollow">Anyone on the OBAMA LGBT conference call? </a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s on the rec list now, apparently.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m &#8220;Michellebird&#8221; in the discussion and trying hard to be more measured in what I say. Don&#8217;t know how well that&#8217;s going, but seems ok  :)</p>
<p>One very interesting comment IMO is from ChristieKeith who <a HREF="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/6/6/191317/2314/61#c61" REL="nofollow">wrote</a>:</p>
<p><i>my girlfriend supported Clinton. I&#8217;m aware that many of her supporters feel really bad right now. My response to my feelings about what I see Clinton having done in this election is not to demonize her or her supporters, but to focus on our common goals and on the general election.</p>
<p><b>That&#8217;s why this call felt so off to me, because it was all this very elaborate hand-holding and endless time spent on their &#8220;emotional processing,&#8221; it really struck me as bizarre, frankly.</b> [emphasis mine - Michelle]</p>
<p>Like I said, I cried like a baby over Howard Dean. I love my girlfriend and I&#8217;m sad that she&#8217;s sad. But this went way, way beyond any kind of welcome or unity into group therapy or something. Freaked me right out.</i> </p>
<p>The reason I think this comment is so insightful is that it ties in to what I have seen of the Wounded White Woman dynamic playing out in all of this (which may apparently expand to include white gay men in this particular case &#8230; I don&#8217;t know).</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Martin, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;How did you come to be involved in the conference call?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was contacted via email by the campaign yesterday inviting me to be part of it. I think they got my email address/info because I filled out a survey they recently sent out -- either to everyone registered on their website or to everyone who donated or along those lines. IN the survey I checked the LGBT box or whatever it was.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So I got an email yesterday, signed up from there, then got the call-in number emailed to me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;About hanging up, I literally could not bear to listen one second more at that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Martin, </p>
<p><i>How did you come to be involved in the conference call?</i></p>
<p>I was contacted via email by the campaign yesterday inviting me to be part of it. I think they got my email address/info because I filled out a survey they recently sent out &#8212; either to everyone registered on their website or to everyone who donated or along those lines. IN the survey I checked the LGBT box or whatever it was.</p>
<p>So I got an email yesterday, signed up from there, then got the call-in number emailed to me.</p>
<p>About hanging up, I literally could not bear to listen one second more at that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t blame you for hanging up - I&#039;m not willing to concede to the demands of the losers who have adopted illary&#039;s I&#039;m entitled attitude.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How did you come to be involved in the conference call?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame you for hanging up &#8211; I&#8217;m not willing to concede to the demands of the losers who have adopted illary&#8217;s I&#8217;m entitled attitude.</p>
<p>How did you come to be involved in the conference call?</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear ya loud and clear Michelle &amp; Jelana.  I  feel a revulsion also for everything she stands for.  I fear that they may plant their poisonous seeds of division within the Obama operation.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hillary and her flunky Mayhill Fowler already set a trap for  Barack by playing on his insecurities about not getting the white blue collar vote.  That&#039;s when he tried to explain and talked about clinging to guns etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The funny thing is, there was no evidence that he was getting less of the white vote than other candidates.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The second trap was to accuse him of not wearing a flag pin while they were not wearing one.  Rather than turn it back on them, he tried to reach out and explain.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Barack may be far too willing to accept responsibility for things that are not his fault or not even true...just because he&#039;s a decent human being.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps he might feel responsible somehow for alienating the fringe Hillary supporters.  It&#039;s a trap if her panders to their phony outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear ya loud and clear Michelle &#038; Jelana.  I  feel a revulsion also for everything she stands for.  I fear that they may plant their poisonous seeds of division within the Obama operation.  </p>
<p>Hillary and her flunky Mayhill Fowler already set a trap for  Barack by playing on his insecurities about not getting the white blue collar vote.  That&#8217;s when he tried to explain and talked about clinging to guns etc.</p>
<p>The funny thing is, there was no evidence that he was getting less of the white vote than other candidates.</p>
<p>The second trap was to accuse him of not wearing a flag pin while they were not wearing one.  Rather than turn it back on them, he tried to reach out and explain.</p>
<p>Barack may be far too willing to accept responsibility for things that are not his fault or not even true&#8230;just because he&#8217;s a decent human being.</p>
<p>Perhaps he might feel responsible somehow for alienating the fringe Hillary supporters.  It&#8217;s a trap if her panders to their phony outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to talk about the stick. My Arab-American father was always carving up walking sticks. He collected them - he had a few from his father in Lebanon, my grandfather. At my father&#039;s funeral I brought one of his walking sticks up to the lectern to hold as I spoke about him.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I love this picture and I love the man who carved the stick. Go Obama.&lt;br/&gt;(even though I am very, very disappointed about his speech to AiPAC this week. Whatever. He&#039;s a politician, he isn&#039;t the Messiah and I never thought so)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to talk about the stick. My Arab-American father was always carving up walking sticks. He collected them &#8211; he had a few from his father in Lebanon, my grandfather. At my father&#8217;s funeral I brought one of his walking sticks up to the lectern to hold as I spoke about him.</p>
<p>I love this picture and I love the man who carved the stick. Go Obama.<br />(even though I am very, very disappointed about his speech to AiPAC this week. Whatever. He&#8217;s a politician, he isn&#8217;t the Messiah and I never thought so)</p>
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		<title>By: jelana</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>truthseeker&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Her presence is a complete turn off for me.  I totally agree with you!</description>
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<p>Her presence is a complete turn off for me.  I totally agree with you!</p>
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		<title>By: teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Val, thank you for that beautiful prayer. I will be praying it for him every day. I was also concerned about him today as I watched footage of him shaking hands with the masses. I said, &quot;Lord, please don&#039;t let anyone stick him with anything.&quot; I feel better since I&#039;ve prayed that beautiful prayer for him.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jack Cafferty blasted the Cryptster today, &amp; many emailers blasted hillbilly. Cafferty implicated McCain, who has been in office since 9-11, in agreeing with the invasion of a soverign nation who hadn&#039;t done anything to us &amp; not working to secure the borders, yet saying that he has the plan &amp; experience for national defense. Some emailers said to him that if hillary is serious about party unity, then she will transfer her delegates. They predict that she will have a big surprise for all of us at the convention. You know there is going to be bus loads of them at the convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Val, thank you for that beautiful prayer. I will be praying it for him every day. I was also concerned about him today as I watched footage of him shaking hands with the masses. I said, &#8220;Lord, please don&#8217;t let anyone stick him with anything.&#8221; I feel better since I&#8217;ve prayed that beautiful prayer for him.</p>
<p>Jack Cafferty blasted the Cryptster today, &#038; many emailers blasted hillbilly. Cafferty implicated McCain, who has been in office since 9-11, in agreeing with the invasion of a soverign nation who hadn&#8217;t done anything to us &#038; not working to secure the borders, yet saying that he has the plan &#038; experience for national defense. Some emailers said to him that if hillary is serious about party unity, then she will transfer her delegates. They predict that she will have a big surprise for all of us at the convention. You know there is going to be bus loads of them at the convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthseeker, you know what? The my feeling of that call was of being unexpectedly dipped into a toxic pool. It was like walking into what I thought was a truth-friendly context and being slammed with deception.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That kind of energy isn&#039;t at ALL what I have felt from Senator Obama and his campaign in the past. In fact what I have previously felt from his campaign and from him is the opposite of that kind of energy. And that is why I support him to begin with. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But what I felt does resonate strongly with how I have been feeling Ms. Hillary&#039;s thing all along.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And it&#039;s more than frustration, Truthseeker. It&#039;s the kind of visceral disgust and revulsion that I never ever thought I would feel in relation to Senator Obama&#039;s efforts on anything.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So -- yeah, I think you&#039;re right when you say: &lt;i&gt;Ah, so they are still trying to set the agenda.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And in this case, in my feeling of it at least, they succeeded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthseeker, you know what? The my feeling of that call was of being unexpectedly dipped into a toxic pool. It was like walking into what I thought was a truth-friendly context and being slammed with deception.</p>
<p>That kind of energy isn&#8217;t at ALL what I have felt from Senator Obama and his campaign in the past. In fact what I have previously felt from his campaign and from him is the opposite of that kind of energy. And that is why I support him to begin with. </p>
<p>But what I felt does resonate strongly with how I have been feeling Ms. Hillary&#8217;s thing all along.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s more than frustration, Truthseeker. It&#8217;s the kind of visceral disgust and revulsion that I never ever thought I would feel in relation to Senator Obama&#8217;s efforts on anything.</p>
<p>So &#8212; yeah, I think you&#8217;re right when you say: <i>Ah, so they are still trying to set the agenda.</i></p>
<p>And in this case, in my feeling of it at least, they succeeded.</p>
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		<title>By: jelana</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It probably would have been better to get the full story and then express your displeasure directly.  I definitely hope this was a misunderstanding.</description>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, so they are still trying to set the agenda.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I feel in my bones that Obama should close the door on Hillary and Bill campaigning for him.  This kissing of asses will not end well, it never does.  They cannot feed the dissatisfaction of these women.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hillary&#039;s mere presence on the campaign trail is a monument to her supposed victimhood.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hillary still has the message on her site &quot;Stand with Hillary&quot;.   Silly me, but I thought there was no Hillary to stand with any longer.  Why doesn&#039;t she release her delegates?  Why isn&#039;t there a prominent banner with congratulations to Obama?  This woman is not finished.   She&#039;s just been forced underground.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hear your frustration, Michelle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, so they are still trying to set the agenda.  </p>
<p>I feel in my bones that Obama should close the door on Hillary and Bill campaigning for him.  This kissing of asses will not end well, it never does.  They cannot feed the dissatisfaction of these women.  </p>
<p>Hillary&#8217;s mere presence on the campaign trail is a monument to her supposed victimhood.</p>
<p>Hillary still has the message on her site &#8220;Stand with Hillary&#8221;.   Silly me, but I thought there was no Hillary to stand with any longer.  Why doesn&#8217;t she release her delegates?  Why isn&#8217;t there a prominent banner with congratulations to Obama?  This woman is not finished.   She&#8217;s just been forced underground.</p>
<p>I hear your frustration, Michelle.</p>
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