<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Black Bloggers Don&#8217;t Want Scraps</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:07:03 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Renee</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-21081</link> <dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:31:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-21081</guid> <description>&quot;If brothas helped to lift that flag, they would have been in the picture, and not some unnamed Black soldiers either. Honestly, Spike needs to pick his battles better.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No black men did not raise the flag that is accurate, however black men fought and died in the south pacific. To not have them represented in this move ignores our contribution to the war effort.  Spike Lee complained because the media has habit of making blacks invisible unless they are playing criminals..when it is something positive we are invisible.  The media is an agent of socialization and therefore how blacks are presented is of paramount importance.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the old guard issue, I believe it comes down to power.  They have ruled the black community for decades and so understandably they don&#039;t want to let go of their influence and power.  Tell me anyone who willingly abdicates power?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If brothas helped to lift that flag, they would have been in the picture, and not some unnamed Black soldiers either. Honestly, Spike needs to pick his battles better.&#8221;</p><p>No black men did not raise the flag that is accurate, however black men fought and died in the south pacific. To not have them represented in this move ignores our contribution to the war effort.  Spike Lee complained because the media has habit of making blacks invisible unless they are playing criminals..when it is something positive we are invisible.  The media is an agent of socialization and therefore how blacks are presented is of paramount importance.</p><p>As for the old guard issue, I believe it comes down to power.  They have ruled the black community for decades and so understandably they don&#8217;t want to let go of their influence and power.  Tell me anyone who willingly abdicates power?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20799</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:20:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20799</guid> <description>&quot;Getting Don Imus fired was SCRAPS. Getting Fox Network&#039;s FCC license yanked to stop them from spewing racist vitriol is MEAT ON THE BONE.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Amen to that, did you see Liz Trotta&#039;s &quot;assasination comment&quot; a while back?&lt;br/&gt;http://bademus.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/trottas-assasination-comment-outrage-stand-up-and-be-heard/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Getting Don Imus fired was SCRAPS. Getting Fox Network&#8217;s FCC license yanked to stop them from spewing racist vitriol is MEAT ON THE BONE.&#8221;<br />Amen to that, did you see Liz Trotta&#8217;s &#8220;assasination comment&#8221; a while back?<br /><a href="http://bademus.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/trottas-assasination-comment-outrage-stand-up-and-be-heard/" rel="nofollow">http://bademus.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/trottas-assasination-comment-outrage-stand-up-and-be-heard/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michelle</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20719</link> <dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20719</guid> <description>Bronze Trinity wrote: &lt;i&gt;I see this as the media playing Black activists against each other to distract them. The mainstream likes the conflict and it would be great if Black activists were distracted by infighting instead of working on their goals.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have to say -- that was my very first thought on reading the article. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Well, actually, it was my second thought. The first was that the first 2 paragraphs were messed-up in how they introduced the issues and set the stage ... but messed-up in a way that also has plausible deniability for the author if he is called on it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And that too may be related to what Bronze Trinity said, the thing about conflict.  It seems like just another level of the white(?) media liking and supporting conflict between groups of Black activists.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This comment is not to say that there aren&#039;t real issues and concerns among Black activists. It&#039;s just me focusing on the article itself, as that&#039;s where my attention went. The article does seem largely designed to frame issues in a provocative, competitive and conflict-focused way. Feels like a fanning of flames to me.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bronze Trinity wrote: <i>I see this as the media playing Black activists against each other to distract them. The mainstream likes the conflict and it would be great if Black activists were distracted by infighting instead of working on their goals.</i></p><p>I have to say &#8212; that was my very first thought on reading the article.</p><p>Well, actually, it was my second thought. The first was that the first 2 paragraphs were messed-up in how they introduced the issues and set the stage &#8230; but messed-up in a way that also has plausible deniability for the author if he is called on it.</p><p>And that too may be related to what Bronze Trinity said, the thing about conflict.  It seems like just another level of the white(?) media liking and supporting conflict between groups of Black activists.</p><p>This comment is not to say that there aren&#8217;t real issues and concerns among Black activists. It&#8217;s just me focusing on the article itself, as that&#8217;s where my attention went. The article does seem largely designed to frame issues in a provocative, competitive and conflict-focused way. Feels like a fanning of flames to me.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: heartsandflowers</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20708</link> <dc:creator>heartsandflowers</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20708</guid> <description>You had until Genarlow. Sorry but let&#039;s not be apologists to a guy who ran a train on a girl too drunk to consent with his friends who then shoved her in a bathroom naked when they were done who then was videotaped getting a bj by another drunk girl. That is not the behavior of a victim. That is the behavior of a rapist. He gets rewarded with sympathy press and a full scholarship and the two young women [crickets]? How are they doing?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had until Genarlow. Sorry but let&#8217;s not be apologists to a guy who ran a train on a girl too drunk to consent with his friends who then shoved her in a bathroom naked when they were done who then was videotaped getting a bj by another drunk girl. That is not the behavior of a victim. That is the behavior of a rapist. He gets rewarded with sympathy press and a full scholarship and the two young women [crickets]? How are they doing?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bronze Trinity</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20704</link> <dc:creator>Bronze Trinity</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20704</guid> <description>I see this as the media playing Black activists against each other to distract them. The mainstream likes the conflict and it would be great if Black activists were distracted by infighting instead of working on their goals. They want Jackson and Sharpton to retire and not have young supporters. They want bloggers to stay unknown with no visible leaders so that they can be ignored by the media. Who&#039;s really causing this argument? So Jackson said something, bloggers have said MUCH worse about him. Old and new activists have their differences and it goes both ways.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I don&#039;t see why that&#039;s a problem. Let Jessie and Al do what they want and bloggers just do what they want and it might be different things. Do we really even know what everyone wants? Does the old guard want bloggers to stop blog activism and join their groups instead? Do bloggers want Jessie and Al to retire and for the NAACP to be disbanded? If not then what&#039;s the problem? Everyone can just do their own thing, work together when they want and do their own thing whenever they want. You&#039;re free people to protest and organize however you want. Whoever does the job best will survive and get the support. Both old and new activists have caused a lot of noise about &#039;scraps&#039; so thats not only a problem for the old activists. So if this was a test I would just say, its better keep your eyes on your own paper and on what you have to get done and don&#039;t worry about what your neighbour is doing. Doing your own thing in your own way may be the best solution.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this as the media playing Black activists against each other to distract them. The mainstream likes the conflict and it would be great if Black activists were distracted by infighting instead of working on their goals. They want Jackson and Sharpton to retire and not have young supporters. They want bloggers to stay unknown with no visible leaders so that they can be ignored by the media. Who&#8217;s really causing this argument? So Jackson said something, bloggers have said MUCH worse about him. Old and new activists have their differences and it goes both ways.</p><p>But I don&#8217;t see why that&#8217;s a problem. Let Jessie and Al do what they want and bloggers just do what they want and it might be different things. Do we really even know what everyone wants? Does the old guard want bloggers to stop blog activism and join their groups instead? Do bloggers want Jessie and Al to retire and for the NAACP to be disbanded? If not then what&#8217;s the problem? Everyone can just do their own thing, work together when they want and do their own thing whenever they want. You&#8217;re free people to protest and organize however you want. Whoever does the job best will survive and get the support. Both old and new activists have caused a lot of noise about &#8216;scraps&#8217; so thats not only a problem for the old activists. So if this was a test I would just say, its better keep your eyes on your own paper and on what you have to get done and don&#8217;t worry about what your neighbour is doing. Doing your own thing in your own way may be the best solution.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Plantsmantx</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20685</link> <dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:02:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20685</guid> <description>Well, that&#039;s good news, and I&#039;ll be looking forward to see those things happen. I understand what you&#039;re saying too, smoothie, and I commend you, but I&#039;m talking about organized, mass actions, and not just as reactions to individual controversial events such as Jena, but coordinated actions centered around broad issues like education and poverty as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Understand that essientally, I&#039;m in agreement about the need to take over from the old guard. I would just like to see them challenged with actions as well as words, and up to this point, that hasn&#039;t happened very much at all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s good news, and I&#8217;ll be looking forward to see those things happen. I understand what you&#8217;re saying too, smoothie, and I commend you, but I&#8217;m talking about organized, mass actions, and not just as reactions to individual controversial events such as Jena, but coordinated actions centered around broad issues like education and poverty as well.</p><p>Understand that essientally, I&#8217;m in agreement about the need to take over from the old guard. I would just like to see them challenged with actions as well as words, and up to this point, that hasn&#8217;t happened very much at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Christian Progressive Liberal</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20682</link> <dc:creator>The Christian Progressive Liberal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20682</guid> <description>PlantsManTX:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We are doing something about that.  Ever read Black Agenda Report, featuring the publishing of the CBC members&#039; voting records and grading their performance as lawmakers?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We do that.  And publish their voting records for their constituents to see.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It got four of them primary challengers.  Donna Edwards defeated one of them (Al Wynn).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Come to DC in September during CBC Weekend - we&#039;re planning bigger events designed to draw fire on their behinds.  Why do you think the CBC members like Tubbs-Jones are running to Obama crying for him to provide them cover because their districts are letting them have it for continuing to support a race-baiting candidate with bigoted female supporters?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It wasn&#039;t about them dissing Obama; it never was.  It was about continuing to tote water for a race-baiting bigoted candidate, in the face of the evidence that showed she would sling them under the bus as fast as she did the Black community.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t assume that because we write about this stuff, that we&#039;re not doing anything else other than writing about it.  We&#039;re planning fundraisers, recruiting candidates, organizing readers into greater political activism.  Don&#039;t think because you can&#039;t see it, that it&#039;s not being put in the mix.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PlantsManTX:</p><p>We are doing something about that.  Ever read Black Agenda Report, featuring the publishing of the CBC members&#8217; voting records and grading their performance as lawmakers?</p><p>We do that.  And publish their voting records for their constituents to see.</p><p>It got four of them primary challengers.  Donna Edwards defeated one of them (Al Wynn).</p><p>Come to DC in September during CBC Weekend &#8211; we&#8217;re planning bigger events designed to draw fire on their behinds.  Why do you think the CBC members like Tubbs-Jones are running to Obama crying for him to provide them cover because their districts are letting them have it for continuing to support a race-baiting candidate with bigoted female supporters?</p><p>It wasn&#8217;t about them dissing Obama; it never was.  It was about continuing to tote water for a race-baiting bigoted candidate, in the face of the evidence that showed she would sling them under the bus as fast as she did the Black community.</p><p>Don&#8217;t assume that because we write about this stuff, that we&#8217;re not doing anything else other than writing about it.  We&#8217;re planning fundraisers, recruiting candidates, organizing readers into greater political activism.  Don&#8217;t think because you can&#8217;t see it, that it&#8217;s not being put in the mix.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: smoothie</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20671</link> <dc:creator>smoothie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20671</guid> <description>plantsmantx&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ive said repeatedly, I&#039;ll dontate 1000.00 in 2010 to a qualified Dem. Challenger to Sheila Jackson Lees seat. If there are canidates out there, I will blog, walk the streets, and do whatever I can to make  sure they have a shot at unseeting Lee. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ive emailed her office several times for various reasons to &lt;br/&gt;include &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A. Questioning her as to why she is NOT following the will of her district. Mar 2008&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;B. Asking for VISA assistance in regards to my wifes Family in Zimbabwe Apr 2007&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;C. Questioning what possessed her to put forth a resolution that made it possible to give Hurricanes &quot;Black Names&quot; (how stupid is this)  Apr 2003&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And as I type this its 1209 CST June 2008 I have yet to hear back from my FORMER Congresswoman on 1 topic mentioned. Yet when its time for re-up the b/c she&#039;s got my name in her mailer, I get emails asking for donations.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plantsmantx</p><p>Ive said repeatedly, I&#8217;ll dontate 1000.00 in 2010 to a qualified Dem. Challenger to Sheila Jackson Lees seat. If there are canidates out there, I will blog, walk the streets, and do whatever I can to make  sure they have a shot at unseeting Lee.</p><p>Ive emailed her office several times for various reasons to <br />include</p><p>A. Questioning her as to why she is NOT following the will of her district. Mar 2008</p><p>B. Asking for VISA assistance in regards to my wifes Family in Zimbabwe Apr 2007</p><p>C. Questioning what possessed her to put forth a resolution that made it possible to give Hurricanes &#8220;Black Names&#8221; (how stupid is this)  Apr 2003</p><p>And as I type this its 1209 CST June 2008 I have yet to hear back from my FORMER Congresswoman on 1 topic mentioned. Yet when its time for re-up the b/c she&#8217;s got my name in her mailer, I get emails asking for donations.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Plantsmantx</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20667</link> <dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20667</guid> <description>&quot;If you take your hand off the plow and let us drive the mule, maybe we learn how to do that, too!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Why don&#039;t y&#039;all take his hand off the plow? No offense, but the black blogosphere isn&#039;t challenging the old guard as much as it&#039;s just talking trash about them. There&#039;s nothing wrong with that, because almost all of it is well-deserved. But...what are y&#039;all DOING? For instance, look at the issue of Tubbs-Jones, Jackson-Lee, et al hanging onto Clinton after the planned strategy of race-baiting kick into full gear. I&#039;ve read a lot of talk about seeing them voted out of office, but I haven&#039;t read anything about what anybody is planning to do to help make it happen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you take your hand off the plow and let us drive the mule, maybe we learn how to do that, too!&#8221;</p><p> Why don&#8217;t y&#8217;all take his hand off the plow? No offense, but the black blogosphere isn&#8217;t challenging the old guard as much as it&#8217;s just talking trash about them. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with that, because almost all of it is well-deserved. But&#8230;what are y&#8217;all DOING? For instance, look at the issue of Tubbs-Jones, Jackson-Lee, et al hanging onto Clinton after the planned strategy of race-baiting kick into full gear. I&#8217;ve read a lot of talk about seeing them voted out of office, but I haven&#8217;t read anything about what anybody is planning to do to help make it happen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ronnie B</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20647</link> <dc:creator>Ronnie B</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20647</guid> <description>Millenials ... keep doing what you&#039;re doing.  The revolution will not be televised.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Millenials &#8230; keep doing what you&#8217;re doing.  The revolution will not be televised.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20641</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:05:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20641</guid> <description>And just think FAUX NEWS is slated to provide convention pool coverage for the Democratic Convention. Why,OH WHY should the the DNC allow Faux&#039;s name on anything, after they have acted as a propaganda mouthpiece for the Republican party and constantly smear the Obama campaign. What can be done to stop this?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2007/09/fox-news-to-provide-convention-pool.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Fox will be the pool for the DNC in Denver beginning August 25, 2008.&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just think FAUX NEWS is slated to provide convention pool coverage for the Democratic Convention. Why,OH WHY should the the DNC allow Faux&#8217;s name on anything, after they have acted as a propaganda mouthpiece for the Republican party and constantly smear the Obama campaign. What can be done to stop this?</p><p><a HREF="http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2007/09/fox-news-to-provide-convention-pool.html" REL="nofollow"> Fox will be the pool for the DNC in Denver beginning August 25, 2008.</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20640</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20640</guid> <description>It was the Old Guard (THE CBC)who were too busy salivatng over the Clintons&#039; vintage 1990s roster of fat-cat donors that they failed to hear the major earthquake rumbling underground. It was the millennials’ that created a bottom-up digital superstructure and we used it for blogging, political organizing, fund-raising and fun!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While the Old Guard is still marching, we are drumming up a new energy that has been plowed into quieter social activism and grand-scale social networking. We can&#039;t fight this battle without Black bloggers like &quot;Jack and Jill&quot; and &quot;What About Our Daughters?&quot; because this revolution will be blogged!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the Old Guard (THE CBC)who were too busy salivatng over the Clintons&#8217; vintage 1990s roster of fat-cat donors that they failed to hear the major earthquake rumbling underground. It was the millennials’ that created a bottom-up digital superstructure and we used it for blogging, political organizing, fund-raising and fun!</p><p>While the Old Guard is still marching, we are drumming up a new energy that has been plowed into quieter social activism and grand-scale social networking. We can&#8217;t fight this battle without Black bloggers like &#8220;Jack and Jill&#8221; and &#8220;What About Our Daughters?&#8221; because this revolution will be blogged!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: insupermodel</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/06/black-bloggers-dont-want-scraps/comment-page-1/#comment-20633</link> <dc:creator>insupermodel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1412#comment-20633</guid> <description>Keep doing the damn thing!  Mr. Jackson, the CBC and the rest of the Old Guard can either get on board or get run over.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep doing the damn thing!  Mr. Jackson, the CBC and the rest of the Old Guard can either get on board or get run over.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Minified using apc
Page Caching using disk: enhanced (User agent is rejected)
Database Caching using apc
Object Caching 470/474 objects using apc

Served from: www.jackandjillpolitics.com @ 2012-02-10 14:08:34 -->
