Jack & Jill Politics

hillary has no rational plan. she is acting on the emotions of crazed narcissist. she can't see the bigger picture beyond her rage and frustration. if she can't pull herself together, she will succeed in electing mccain. she will go down in history as ralph nader to the tenth power. our campaign hangs in the balance as she plays out her psychodrama.

clearly obama should apologise to hillary for getting her in trouble. after all when cheney shot the guy in the face, the shot guy apologised for getting cheney in trouble. so hillary's comments were only hypothetical and if the guy who actually got shot could apologise i don't see why obama who hasn't actually been shot yet can't apologise.

I watched the Fox News clip.


It's a shame that some people seem to have such a cavlier attitude about this subject.



Ironically, the woman in that clip was actually in the midst of pointing out the damage Hillary's comment made.



But her stupid "Osama/Obama . . . what about both" comment is no better than what Hillary said.



There are no words. . . that makes three public assasination comments in the past 2 weeks. Unreal.

This Week With Barack Obama is up. Here.

I also called Secret Service to report! This is an outrage that someone would say something so evil and so wicked as to wish death upon an innocent person!


Hillary should be kicked out of the Democratic Party! Now I fear some psycho may act on this crap!



I hate Hillary!

Anon @3:34 Over on Kos, there are reports of a number of folks having called the SS and emailing the youtube link.


Craig, right or wrong, your fatigue with obsessing about death resonated deeply with me... i'm tired of thinking of death and i'm tired of the fear that has been generated. I will join you in offering positive thoughts and prayers; something we can all do... I don't post a lot, but read often, and appreciate the balance you so often bring to the discussion.

I truly hope somneone contacts the Secret Service about this commentary from Fox News and reports the individuals who made the statements ASAP.

lexusoakland, I totally understand. I don't know if I'm right or not, but I want to send positive thoughts and prayers. I'm tired of obsessing about death.

Craig, You are probably right. That occurred to me after I posted my comment... I felt overwhelmed.

I just called the Secret Service, and they've gotten a lot of calls about this, so I don't think this "joke" by Ms. Trotta is going to be ignored by them.

to Felicia fyi Montana and S. Dakota


Montana Preference Primary is

Open



South Dakota Primary is Closed

I just watched the Fox video....don't they have delayed feed or something...couldn't Fox have censored her?


Good grief, I read earlier that the Secret Service increased Barack's security at Wesleyan. Was it because Hillary's dumbass comments?

Does anybody know if Montana and S. Dakota are open primaries? Also, are they primary states are caucus states? Markos has some good numbers coming out of MT

I don't think that video from Fox should be aired everywhere.


The more people see it, the worse the situation.

As this constitutes a threat against a presidential candidate, it is appropriate to call the Secret Service to report. Number to use is 202.406.8000 and select 0 at the prompt.

Fox News' Liz Trotta made a joke that both Osama and Obama should be killed: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/25/15389/8... am reeling, and feeling powerless. I don't know what good it will do, but this should be spread everywhere and Fox should be innudated with emails and calls of protest. Phone number is 1-888-369-4762. Email link is: http://www.foxnews.com/cgi-bin/email.cgi?791613... feel nauseous... I haven't called or emailed yet because I can't organize my head around this.

Truth-Ah, I've heard about that. I sure hope so.


Ikonegro- No, I think they're viewing the campaign through Hillary-colored glasses. No matter what BO does, he's seen as wrong. Hillary's the victim-

no matter what.

Was it here that someone suggested she's just trying to get him to trip up and say something nasty so she can prove he's wrong for POTUS? I can see that.



Hearts -You're completely right and they try to dismiss Obama supporters of the same thing!



B,

I see that happening too. It's not about getting a Democrat in the WH, it's about getting HER in the WH. I also wouldn't put it pass them to pay women to go to DC and make a stink about MI & FL.The DNC should make ads using the video of her saying those elections didn't matter as well as her saying after the first Super Tuesday, this would all be over. (You know, back when she just knew she'd have it in the bag) I really didn't dislike her before but the way she's run her campaign, I really CAN'T vote for her.omuvc

Does anybody know of any news articles that quote Hillary or her top advisors explicitly stating that the delegates of Michigan and Florida should be seated as is?

B-Serious,
Once again, I couldnt agree more.

I pray Barack hits 2026 by this Sunday. This probably wont happen, but it will be close.





If it makes any of feel just a little better, Im watching the Libertarian Party Convention, and through 2 votes Bob Barr is leading..



If Gore taught me anything, its that votes count. Even if its just 20,000 or so that go this way vice Mc Cain, I'll take it.



Plus, GEORGIA went for Huckabee. Barr's from Ga, I fully expect Obama to be competive in atleast one of these states...

from themoderatevoice.com


"Clinton’s RFK Assassination Reference Irks Kennedy Family

May 25th, 2008 by JOE GANDELMAN, Editor-In-Chief



If a lot of members of the Kennedy family had earlier broken with Senator Hillary Clinton in her drive for the 2008 Democratic party nomination, then consider her comments about Robert F. Kennedy’s assassination, how it ties in with her desire to stay in the race and the way they were widely interpreted to now have created a bigger break — and sparked considerable anger.



Not only that, but some of them them think it’s the last hurrah of a “sloppy” campaign.



So says the New York Post in a story quoting unnamed Kennedy family sources. But as anyone who has worked as an editor or reporter on a newspaper knows, stories like these are NOT created by editors or reporters sitting around an inventing quotes. That happens rarely and when it does those journalists get the boot. So this is strong stuff:



Members of the Kennedy family are incensed over Hillary Rodham Clinton’s invoking the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy to explain why she’s staying in the race - and they think it could be the death knell of an increasingly desperate and sloppy campaign.



“That comment may be the last nail in her campaign’s coffin,” a Kennedy relative told The Post. “How can Hillary even use the experience argument when she repeatedly pushes the wrong buttons in her comments?”



An insider added, “I think people really felt that a line was crossed and that her campaign - and even her legitimacy as a politician - ended today.”



Said a second relative, “She no longer has only her husband to blame for the ill-chosen comments coming from her camp.”



That’s about as blunt as you can get. And the word “legitimacy” is particularly ironic: one of Clinton’s arguments she has been making, without using the word, is that rival Democrat Barack Obama’s nomination might not be legitimate if the Florida and Michigan delegations were not seated and its votes counted, a stance her campaign had earlier not taken but took once she needed those votes.



The Post piece notes that while high-profile Clinton supporter Robert F. Kennedy Jr. immediately defended Clinton’s remarks, ” others in the family’s inner circle are fuming”:



One cited “a perceived insensitivity” in her comment, made Friday before a South Dakota newspaper’s editorial board, especially with the 40th anniversary of RFK’s death two weeks away and Sen. Ted Kennedy battling a brain tumor.



“We were all sort of dumbfounded that she would say such a thing,” the insider said.



There was also anger outside the family. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), a Hillary supporter, told Bloomberg News that she said “the dumbest thing you could have possibly said.”



Note the Rangel was giving the press a re-run quote here. He called Clinton’s comment about her white voter support pretty much the same thing.

And the thing that gets me is that Hillary couldn't be more transparent in her plan of attack.


Her plan is to get more popular votes by running up the score in Puerto Rico. Then she'll go on a MAJOR media blitz with a "one man/one vote" campaign. She'll do her best to de-legitimize Obama's victory and use such divisive rhetoric to either:



1. Stay in until the convention; or

2. Run as an Independent.



She'd gladly lose a 3-way race to McCain if it means she gets to run again in 4 years instead of 8.



This should not surprise anyone. . . especially not anyone in the Obama camp.



I've been one of a few people who have been screaming this for the past 3 months. It's why I thought it was stupid of Obama to shortchange KY and WV like he did. . . by doing that he opened the door for Hillary to run up her popular vote totals.



We all know that the popular vote doesn't mean squat when it comes to the nomination. We know that this is about delegates.



But most of us are political junkies. There are a lot of people who casually follow this race. And they're the ones that could fall for Hillary's popular vote scheme.



I'll say it again. Obama better have a busload of super delegates ready to end this thing at the snap of his fingers. He can end it now (preferrably) or the day after the last primary (June 4th). But he better end it fast.



P.S. Remember, that 2026 number changes after May 31st depending on what the party decides to do with MI and FL. But Obama can claim victory if he reaches 2026 this week.



End it now!

it was actually chris wallace that Terry was on..He did still say that she has no plans to apologze, and nor should she..


Its worth noting,that Juan The Turncoat, on that same show did mention that his sources tell him that Barack does have a considerable amount of SD's lined up.



Im with you b-serious. I say crush her now. At this point all she's doing is fighting the party. This, much like any disease, when it goes unnoticed can only get worse//

heartsandflowers said, "In fact the more you try to reason with them the more steadfast they become in their support."


That's why you just have to BEAT them. No more questions. . . no more kid gloves. There's nothing left to talk about.



They are going to complain REGARDLESS of what Obama says or does. He gave her cover for this "assassination" crap and her camp comes out on the Sunday talk shows to blame him?????



I saw McCauliff and it was absolutely disgusting. These are NOT decent people. Obama's done enough diplomacy, he needs to end this now.



He's less than 60 delegates away from the 2026 magic number. He can claim victory this week if he gets those super delegates over the next few days.



And yes. . . as someone mentioned, Terry did say that she has no plans to apologize to Obama for what she said.



Hillary hasn't done a damn thing to make anyone believe she cares about unity in the Democratic party.



Obama's been nice long enough. This is starting to turn into a weakness. You have to know when to drop the hammer. . . even if it means playing the "bad guy" for a couple of weeks. He better have something big lined up . . . some massive group endorsement from the supers planned for this week or June 4th. It's beyond rediculous at this point.



END THIS NOW!

Clinton represents secular fanaticism to the nth degree. Clinton is a Messiah to some of her supporters and she reinforces solidarity by pretending to be persecuted. And they eat it up. In fact the more you try to reason with them the more steadfast they become in their support.

So I see Harold Ford, Jr. is offering up advice to Barack Obama?


This is some bullshit.



Go Meet Them, Senator



Wonder what he's angling for.



And so is this:



A memo to Senator Obama



So are most of the articles in the June 2 issue of Newsweek.



And then there's this:



A Secret Side to the Secret Service



And the cover image of Obama with a part of his head whited out is striking.



Everybody seems to want Obama to go mingle with madness up close and personal in the hills of Appalachia, calling it sound advice, when Obama is poised to win. Big.



::



We hereby put a safety shield around Senator Obama.



We hereby protect him and his family from evil and harm with the power of thought and prayer.

Barack Obama at Wesleyan Commencement Ceremony-Today


Video:



http://youtube.com/watch?v=XX5WEgqw6pM

It is hard to figure out...I feel as strongly & adamantly about my candidate as kkklinton supporters feel about hillbilly. I did start out favoring hillbilly, but could not continue after they made racial and dismissive comments & after she showed herself to be a psycho bitch. I have tried to understand where they are coming from and I can't. I do believe that many, even a majority, of white people have a master race complex and feel that they and their ways are vastly superior to all others. They feel like every nation should line up to support their agenda and best interest, which of course is vastly superior. They are willing to kill anyone or any group percieved to be weaker and who doesn't line up with their agenda. But "they" don't see it that way. They can't heal until they realize they have a problem. Just like, I do believe in supporting Isreal, but I don't like that whoever doesn't support Isreal will be destroyed (politically or economically). I don't like how it it politically incorrect to have any sympathy for Palestinians, who are also people. It's a challenge for everyone I guess. I wish humans could be more compromising and less selfish. The concept of domination is so primitive, but has a stronghold in the collective unconscious of America,and probably most humans.

Craig,


It took me awhile to catch on to what youve been saying Since this whole RFK thing broke..



ITS DAY 3 AND SHE STILL HAS YET TO APOLOGIZE TO BARACK...



What makes this worse is that today watching Terry MC..on with George Snuffalufagus, was he sad She hasnt apologized , and has no plans to.



At least one narrative rhe MSM is running with is picking up a little steam...The Dream of a unity ticket, is just that..A dream...



Obama Sebelius 08

Obama’s Lobbyist Connection
http://www.newsweek.com/id/138519



"What got scant notice then—but may soon get more scrutiny—is that CORE was the brainchild of ASK Public Strategies, a consulting firm whose senior partner is David Axelrod, now chief strategist for Barack Obama."

So those pro Hillary women are going to throw their support to McCain the man who called his wife the "C" word in pubic because Barack is sexist?


Where did this "Barack is sexist thing" come from? What has he done or said?



Is there sexism in this country? Yes. However, contrary to Mrs. Ferraro et al. racism hasn't just "poof" disappeared. Barack is not lucky. He ran/is running a stronger campaign.



Hillary is losing not because of sexism. She is losing because she ran a terrible campaign. Her team thought they had it in the bag and had no strategy past March. End of story. She blew through millions of dollars, listened to terrible advice from Mark Penn and did not reign in her husband. Some how the candidate that has been speaking in code words and running the most cynical campaign all year is the victim now?



Whatever.

Shazz,


I have Talk Left in my Google Reader...that place has turned into some kind of Bizarro World. I wonder if they are watching the same race we are.





I am just waiting for someone to slip up and say uppity negro.



I refuse to engage that level of foolishness.

To watch the live stream of the Wesleyan commencement speech that Ted Kennedy was supposed to give, but Obama will now give in his place, paste this link into your Windows Media Player: http://www.fc-tv.com/webcast/conover/conover-hi... link: http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=...>

Memorial Day remembrance:


The Resurrection Table

Some of those commenters are Republicans posing as Hillary supporters.

I was just on Talk Left and the Hillary worship/Obama disdain is out in full force. They want HER and NOBODY ELSE BUT HER. And refusing to vote for Obama-they talk about HIS divisiveness, rudeness, sexism, racism-geez, project much? Not supporting the candidate after he won FAIR AND SQUARE and refusing to see what a shoddy campaign your candidate ran isn't democracy-that's idol worship.

Obama: Iran does not "pose a serious threat" to the United States.


The Fall of Lebanon

http://www.gloriacenter.org/index.asp?pname=submenus/articles/2008/rubin/5_24.asp



The gathering storm

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/05/020595.php

In case anyone of the locals can show support for the Obama team. We know Clinton's people will be out there.


"Politics up to the Minuteby Mark Halperin | Sunday, May 25, 2008Return to The PageRelease on DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee MeetingDNC Rules & Bylaws Committee to Meet Saturday, May 31st



WASHINGTON - The Democratic National Committee’s Rules & Bylaws Committee will meet on Saturday May 31, 2008 in Washington, DC. The Rules and Bylaws Committee will consider the two challenges that have been filed pursuant to Rule 20.B of the 2008 Delegate Selection Rules and Regulation 3 of the Regulations of the Rules and Bylaws Committee concerning the seating of delegations from Florida and Michigan.



Pursuant to Section 3.4(N) of the Committee’s Regulations, each challenger will be entitled to present an Oral Argument before the RBC prior to Committee consideration for a period of 15 minutes each. A representative from each state party and from each presidential campaign will also have an opportunity to address the committee regarding each of the challenges. Oral arguments from the parties will be heard during the committee’s morning session. Following a lunch break, committee members will consider and debate the challenges.



What: DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting

When: May 31, 2008 - 9:30 AM

Morning Session: Oral Arguments

Afternoon Session: Consideration and Debate

Where: Marriott Wardman Park Hotel - Salon I"

Re the Rules Committe fyi from demcomwatch.blogspot.com


"With the news that the challenges to the DNC decisions on Florida and Michigan will be heard by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) on May 31st, the next question, of course, is, who is on the committee and who do they support?



Here is the list:



Co-Chairs - no endorsement

Alexis Herman (co-chair, Washington , D.C. )

James Roosevelt, Jr. (co-chair, Massachusetts )



Members - Clinton supporters (13)

Hartina Flournay (DC)

Donald Fowler (SC)

Harold Ickes, Jr. (DC)

Jaime Gonzalez, Jr. (TX)

Alice Huffman (CA)

Ben Johnson (DC)

Elaine Kamarck (MA)

Eric Kleinfeld (DC)

Mona Pasquil (CA)

Mame Reiley (VA)

Garry Shay (CA)

Elizabeth Smith (DC)

Michael Steed (MD)



Members - Obama supporters (8)

Martha Fuller Clark (NH)

Carol Khare Fowler (SC)

Janice Griffin (MD)

Thomas Hynes (IL)

Allan Katz (FL)

Sharon Stroschein (SD)

Sarah Swisher (IA)

Everett Ward (NC)



Members - no known endorsement (7)

Donna Brazille (DC)

Mark Brewer (MI)

Ralph Dawson (NY)

Yvonne Gates ( NV)

Alice Germond (DC) - DNC Secretary

David McDonald (WA)

Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA)



Notes:



Allan Katz of Florida is a member of Obama's national finance committee. It will be interesting what he does, or even if he is allowed to vote on the Florida challenge. The same question would hold for Mark Brewer of Michigan for the Michigan challenge.

Update:



Section 3.4 (P): Voting: A member of the RBC shall not vote on a challenge arising in his or her own state.



But note that Katz can vote on Michigan's challenge, and Brewer can vote on Florida's challenge.



Ralph Dawson is one of the very few New York superdelegates that have not endorsed Clinton.