My friend Sara is from Honduras, black latinos have a lot of problems in their countries, trust me. Her family is ashamed of him she told me. My grandmother is from Cuba, she fled to Jamaica. Go look up how they are treated and what goes on.

The history is very deep and I am suprised that most people do not seem to know nor understand it.

The problem is that too many are in denial. PERIOD. Most people who see it are those who are effected by it. Many black latinos, like many black Americans just dont get it.

You see Brazil is not a hispanic country but look at their caste system from what I have read, they had something close to an apartheid there, so imagine.

I know for example in Jamaica when my mother was growing up, their were many white, chinese, syrian and other non-black Jamaicans who controlled much of the wealth and locked out many black Jamaicans from certain facets of life. My mother got threw cause they considered her mother to be “mulatto” (she’s simply a black Cuban) and her father was half Indian. She told me about a lot of the issues that went on and when much of that broke down, many of the non-blacks left the country. Its so interesting when I discuss this with people, they have no idea of the complexity of these countries when it comes to race. That’s colonialism and the history of white supremacy for you.

As for the dolls thing you spoke about yea, black children are still failing it.If people continue to deny the existence of certain issues and the root causes, nobody will move past it. It will continue to manifest with each generation.

For one, she’d have to admit she was wrong, and she can’t do that. She WON’T do that. Her whole campaign is a testament to that. It’s always somebody else’s fault:

Black people voting for Obama? It’s because black folk are “caught up in the concept.”

Obama doing well? It’s because he’s black.

Not having a plan (or money) after Super Tuesday? It’s because people are sexist and racist.

Not paying your bills? It’s because the firm I hired to pay the bills isn’t paying the bills.

Losing even MORE black support because of race baiting statements made by surrogates? That’s because Obama played the race card.

One of your most loyal superdelegates crossed over to the other side? That’s because he’s a Judas.

Losing NC big time? Well, that’s because NC has all those blacks.

Winning IN by a hair? Well that’s only because Gary, IN was being shady with the vote?

Not mathematically being able to get the nomination? It’s all because of the blacks and the eggheads.

Nothing is ever her fault, or her campaign’s fault. And until she admits those faults, she’ll not get any redemption for herself, much less blacks.

But in the nearly 20 years she’s been on the scene, nothing has ever been her or Bill’s fault. It’s always Paula Jones’ fault or Gennifer Flowers’ fault or the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy’s fault.

Power has totally corrupted this woman, and it’s eating her (and Bill) up inside that a no-name beginner stole her shine. I think Obama winning over her hurts 100x more than if Richardson or Edwards or Kucinich (lol) won over her, because they arrogantly assumed that people would not vote for the skinny black guy with a funny name.

That 911 episode happened back in February, if I heard the report correctly. It’s a special report 3 months later? What took so long to get that story out?

From where I sit, there’s a concerted effort to bring racism front and center so the nation can see how racist we are, suggesting that Barack has no chance to be elected.

That’s the message the Clintons are putting out, that’s the message the MSM is putting out, and it’s all an attempt to divide the nation.

Racism needs to be revealed in all its ugliness. I get that. But right now, it’s a political/media strategy to get McCain elected.

It’s going to backfire.

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To the anonymous who spoke of Clinton’s redemption with Black people. I wasn’t talking about redemption from the perspective of mending relationships with those she has destroyed or tried to destroy. It was more about her chance at personal redemption. I’m not sure she has a soul, though. In which case she wouldn’t be interested in personal redemption.

Richardson is not strong enough.

McCaskill and Strickland also good choices..

As for webb, Gov. Kaine is a better choice

here’s the YouTube vid of the 911 call:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTR05I9-p5k

I think O should go to all the places where he isn’t popular because he is going to be their president too. To know him is to love him. I always tell students, you don’t run from challenges, you run to them (yes, I’m really a teacher).

And when all is said and done, everyone better be glad that O won the presidency instead of Hillbilly. Her 1st act as president would be to deploy troops to Iowa. She’d be telling N & S Carolina, “I hope you like the roads you have, cause you won’t be getting any new ones for a loooong time.” Poor Bill Richardson’s face says it all. I wouldn’t be surprised if he held up a sign that said “help me!” during his next interview. I’m sure he knows about the clinton death list, which has way too many people to be coincidental. He might have to hire illegal aliens to start his car for him.

As for Condolezza Rice, I wonder what would make her say “my husband” when she is unmarried/never married? My cousin is totally convinced that she & W are paramours, but I can’t see Laura bush putting up with it unless she has her own extra-marital action. Condi might have some fantasy about him, but I can’t see him being attracted to her because she is smart.

As for Hispanics, I think we must build alliances with them. I also consider them to be our cousins (genetically). One of my interests is studying African history, which one can find in many places in the world. I’m not really sure why, but many Hispanics I have met have been of African descent. I live in a city with many, many Hispanics, and a whole lot of Black Mexicans. Some will admit they have African heritage & some won’t, but it seems like many of them are aware of it.Below is a link with genetic research showing that about 10% of Latin americans have African ancestry.
http://www.ancestrybydna.com/welcome/productsandservices/ancestrybydna/ethnicities/#mexicanhisp
African affiliation in Mexican Hispanics
Mexican Hispanics commonly show African affiliation, presumably as a consequence of the slave-trade importation of Africans to North America, the Caribbean and Latin America.
Underhill et al., 2001 showed that about 10% of the Y-chromosome haplotypes in Latin America are of African origin (see Figure UNDERHILL ). In contrast, the frequency of African haplotypes for North American Native American Amerindian and South American populations was insignificant. Here is a link about the 2nd Pres. of Mexico who had African ancestry and abolished slavery in Mexico.
http://www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/famous%20people/vincenteguerrero.htm
There are a few websites devoted to Black Mexicans if you care. I would love to talk about it any time. In central america, the Black people of Honduras, Nicaragua and Belize are called Garifuna. I saw them last summer when we went to Honduras and I also have students at my school representing. Most of my Columbian students have been Black (all but 1), as well as the people I’ve met from Panama, Venezuela,Cuba, Domican Republic & Puerto Rico.

As a race, we’ve received the worst PR in the history of humankind. Everyone on the planet has been brainwashed to put us down, including ouurselves. Our children are still saying that Black dolls are ugly compared to white dolls (if you saw the David Wilson documentary recently). Hispanics have not had our experience of Black excellence and Black power. They don’t have the audacity to hope that we have. We have to help them be more progressive. I always tell them that they are my people and that we share common ancestry.I speak the language of my colonizer and they speak the language of theirs.

Oregon should calm some of the hate she stirred in WV and KY.

I read a story about her worshipping at a church in KY today were the sermon was on infidelity and that she did not speak and was not recognized in any special way.

What was the 911 call about?

That’s Hillary’s energy. People kept saying she’s divisive, she’s divisive. It just went over my head ’cause I couldn’t grasp how someone could be intrinsically divisive. This one woman has managed to get an entire nation to choose sides based on race! While Barack is trying to bring people together, she’s busy undoing his good work. This is why he has to turn his back on her and everything she stands for.

I know the day after Hillary made her insipid “hard working” statment, it was more likely for a black child anywhere in America to be called “nigger”. That cannot be tolerated!

This rally in Portland was a moral victory against Hillary. I hope he blows her away in Oregon, wiping out all gains she made in WV & KY. It will be a symbolic repudiation of her tactics. Racism doesn’t pay, Hillary!

None taken.

I did see the story on CNN about the 911 operator.

When I see stuff like this it makes my sometimes suspicious mind wonder what kind of affect this election is having on everyday folks.

I know it’s bringing out the worst in people Pat Buchanan.

Just saying.

Hillary’s going after the media again. Here’s Clinton at a KY rally:

“I would bet every single one of those folks, they’ve got a job; we can see that. They’ve got good health care; we know that. They can pay whatever the charge is at the gas pump most likely. They can send their child to college. I’m not running to represent them, I’m running to fight for you and to be your champion.”

Yeah. . . because Tim Russert and Chuck Todd can do MATH. That’s soooo elitist.

The connection is scary. . . Bush don’t like readin’ and Hillary don’t like math. That’s leadership for you.

She also said she’s leading in the popular vote, which is not true.

How can anyone look at this person and think she’s softening her rhetoric to bring the party together? Unity is the last thing on her mind. She’s rallying her base to stir resentment.

And now we’ve got Hillary supporters planning protests at future Obama events????

Yep. . . sounds like unity to me.

no disrespect intended. :)

I think sometimes, ruthlessness is called for.

Weak. Yet entirely consistent with Hillary’s passive agressive tone and “woe-is-me” victimology. Secluded in their state of denial. . .Hillaryland. . . where math and pledges aren’t important so long as they get between Clinton and her entitlement.

This is the type of stuff that really pisses me off. They know the damn rules. They’re not that stupid.

My question for those protesters is this: If they’re so self-righteous, then where the hell was their protest when the DNC made it’s decision LAST YEAR? As a matter of fact, where was their savior, Hillary Clinton? After all, her boy Harold Ickes played a role and Hillary signed the pledge along with every other candidate. She’s on record as saying the state would not count.

This is why Hillary gets no love. She’d rather spread false propoganda than accept defeat. No, instead she wants to blame everything on Obama. Rules are rules. Those two states broke the rules. It’s really not that hard to figure out.

Obama played by the rules. He has no obligation to help Hillary bend and break the rules for her favor.

Hillary gave her word and then took it back when she saw she wasn’t gonna win.

Her word is useless.

But for most, once you cross that line, you can’t cross back.

The only way the Clintons will find redemption among black people is if they get out of politics and start their redemption tour from the outside. But, do you think they care about getting in good with black people unless there’s something in it for them?

And, how do you seek redemption from people you obviously don’t have a lot of respect for? I can’t imagine the Clintons playing this game on “working class whites”, or Jews, or women.

You don’t play those kind of games with people you have respect for.

I guess the underlying problem with the Clintons is not that they played the race game from top to bottom.

The real problem is they didn’t have very much respect for blacks to begin with, and thought we’d just “come around” after she got the nomination that was rightfully hers.

And that’s not just a Clinton problem, that’s a politician problem because 99% of these politicians, black and white, come ’round our churches the Sunday before Election Day, pander to us, sing Negro spirituals, glad hand and kiss babies. And then after they win, they ignore us until the next election cycle. Hey, it’s ok to disrespect black people because they’ll keep coming back for more.

Maybe it’s the black electorate who needs redemption. We need to get back our power and self-respect. The Clintons would have never played these games against a Jewish candidate because they know they would get the smackdown and would be held accountable. Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi would have shut Hillary down from jump.

No self respecting Jewish politician would have cosigned Hillary’s foolishness whether they were with her or not. The media wouldn’t have given her a pass or accepted her word as gospel.

What this election has taught me is that 99% of the people who say they are for black people, including so called “black” leaders, are only out for themselves and we’ve been punked and played so long that everyone thinks it’s ok because “we’ll just come around.”

I’m not listening to preachers, I but I have an innate sense about what it right. I’m only sure about God and love.

I also believe that discourse is hard on the soul. I have felt terrible throughtout this process.

That picture of Family Obama in Oregon is too precious for words.

Well, it was the whole subtext of “How dare this ungrateful Uppity #($* back this Uppity #($*%$.”

That’s how I took the attacks against Richardson.

They never attacked any White switcher to Obama that way.

b-serious,

I can tell you why Bayh rubs you the wrong way.

It goes back to the whole ‘ Obama is an elitist’ garbage.

The gall of having someone like Bayh, who got EVERYTHING IN LIFE HANDED TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS BIRCH’S SON…

To call someone else who WORKED HIS WAY UP FROM THE BOTTOM..

ELITIST..

WELL, it rubs ME the wrong damn way.

whole lotta White people..

BWA HA HA HA HA HA

the picture is amazing.

Add Sebelius and the Governor of Montana and Kaine of Virginia