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Between you and rikyrah and anyone else from the JJP crowd saving up -- something to hang onto when I read the crap in the mainstream about &quot;women&quot; voters and all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setare, thanks for that link &#8212; it is pretty good!</p><p>Craig, I can&#8217;t wait to read what you have to say when you open up that lockbox. Between you and rikyrah and anyone else from the JJP crowd saving up &#8212; something to hang onto when I read the crap in the mainstream about &#8220;women&#8221; voters and all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RhondaCoca</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15336</link> <dc:creator>RhondaCoca</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15336</guid> <description>Yea, umm..why is there a picture of Marvin Gaye when today is Malcolm X&#039;s birthday?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, umm..why is there a picture of Marvin Gaye when today is Malcolm X&#8217;s birthday?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: N. Mahana</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15319</link> <dc:creator>N. Mahana</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15319</guid> <description>I just had to say, that I really love this Marvin Gaye photo. It&#039;s one of his best.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Have a great afternoon and evening, everyone! See ya tomorrow for the Primary.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had to say, that I really love this Marvin Gaye photo. It&#8217;s one of his best.</p><p>Have a great afternoon and evening, everyone! See ya tomorrow for the Primary.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Craig Hickman</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15318</link> <dc:creator>Craig Hickman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15318</guid> <description>I like the primary process just as it is because it tests all the strengths and weakness of the Democratic nominee.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Machine politics in the big primaries is so different from caucus activism in the smaller states.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Open primaries and semi-open caucuses test candidates appeal to Independents and Republicans; closed primaries and caucuses test the candidates strength in the Democratic base.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Proportional assignment of delegates disallows a candidate from ignoring the smaller states.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the primary process just as it is because it tests all the strengths and weakness of the Democratic nominee.</p><p>Machine politics in the big primaries is so different from caucus activism in the smaller states.</p><p>Open primaries and semi-open caucuses test candidates appeal to Independents and Republicans; closed primaries and caucuses test the candidates strength in the Democratic base.</p><p>Proportional assignment of delegates disallows a candidate from ignoring the smaller states.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Val</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15317</link> <dc:creator>Val</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15317</guid> <description>I stand corrected D and will take that back.  I thought you said we did not threaten Iraq</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected D and will take that back.  I thought you said we did not threaten Iraq</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Val</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15316</link> <dc:creator>Val</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15316</guid> <description>Hi D - you said &quot;D. said... &lt;br/&gt;Kitty,&lt;br/&gt;We&#039;ve never threatened to go after Iran &quot;just because.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We took it a step further and bypassed the threat we went straight into war.  Why?  McCain said as recently as 2 weeks ago -- because of their oil.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And there you have it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi D &#8211; you said &#8220;D. said&#8230; <br />Kitty,<br />We&#8217;ve never threatened to go after Iran &#8220;just because.&#8221;</p><p>We took it a step further and bypassed the threat we went straight into war.  Why?  McCain said as recently as 2 weeks ago &#8212; because of their oil.</p><p>And there you have it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GoldenAh</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15312</link> <dc:creator>GoldenAh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15312</guid> <description>Oregon rally was awesome. &lt;br/&gt;___&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;IMO Feminist movement plus Civil Rights achieved their main and necessary goals 20+ years ago. At present, both groups don&#039;t know of a purposely useful &lt;b&gt;next&lt;/b&gt; agenda. These groups have devolved into who&#039;s-the-most-victimized competitions. I ignore both.&lt;br/&gt;___&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;After this nomination  battle, I bet DNC will change superdelegate rules and primary schedule. Will they establish a shorter per region primary voting cycle? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A shorter cycle assists a more established, or well-known candidate. A long cycle sometimes helps a challenger. A long cycle also shakes out weaknesses that could cripple a candidate during the GE.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oregon rally was awesome. <br />___</p><p>IMO Feminist movement plus Civil Rights achieved their main and necessary goals 20+ years ago. At present, both groups don&#8217;t know of a purposely useful <b>next</b> agenda. These groups have devolved into who&#8217;s-the-most-victimized competitions. I ignore both.<br />___</p><p>After this nomination  battle, I bet DNC will change superdelegate rules and primary schedule. Will they establish a shorter per region primary voting cycle?</p><p>A shorter cycle assists a more established, or well-known candidate. A long cycle sometimes helps a challenger. A long cycle also shakes out weaknesses that could cripple a candidate during the GE.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Craig Hickman</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15311</link> <dc:creator>Craig Hickman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15311</guid> <description>michelle and rikyrah, I can&#039;t wait to read your remarks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve got a slew of my own I&#039;m holding in lockbox till it makes more sense to roll them out.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michelle and rikyrah, I can&#8217;t wait to read your remarks.</p><p>I&#8217;ve got a slew of my own I&#8217;m holding in lockbox till it makes more sense to roll them out.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: D.</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15309</link> <dc:creator>D.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15309</guid> <description>Setare,&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s why I didn&#039;t take the &quot;wipe Israel off the map&quot; statement, and just reduced it to a generic threat.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I read the details, on occasion. :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setare,<br />That&#8217;s why I didn&#8217;t take the &#8220;wipe Israel off the map&#8221; statement, and just reduced it to a generic threat.</p><p>I read the details, on occasion. :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Setare</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15308</link> <dc:creator>Setare</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15308</guid> <description>michelle,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here&#039;s a pretty good essay on this issue, titled &quot;Hillary is White&quot;, by Zillah Eisenstein.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/18/9031/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michelle,</p><p>Here&#8217;s a pretty good essay on this issue, titled &#8220;Hillary is White&#8221;, by Zillah Eisenstein.</p><p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/18/9031/" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/18/9031/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Setare</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15300</link> <dc:creator>Setare</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15300</guid> <description>d.,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Iran did not threaten the existence of Israel.  This is one of those right-wing memes that people such as yourself repeat without actually assessing its veracity.  If you know any Farsi (i.e. the Persian language), you would know that this meme is a purposeful, manipulative mistranslation of what was actually said.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also this: the one country that *has* been a real threat to the existence of its neighbours in the Middle East is Israel. (In case you&#039;ve conveniently forgotten, Israel pretty much destroyed Lebanon almost two years ago.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d.,</p><p>Iran did not threaten the existence of Israel.  This is one of those right-wing memes that people such as yourself repeat without actually assessing its veracity.  If you know any Farsi (i.e. the Persian language), you would know that this meme is a purposeful, manipulative mistranslation of what was actually said.</p><p>Also this: the one country that *has* been a real threat to the existence of its neighbours in the Middle East is Israel. (In case you&#8217;ve conveniently forgotten, Israel pretty much destroyed Lebanon almost two years ago.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michelle</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15289</link> <dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15289</guid> <description>This whole Clinton/feminism/sexism thing (B-Serious&#039;s NYT article link from the Portland rally discussion) has been on my mind a lot lately. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I got sort of caught up this weekend in the discussions at the NARAL blog -- not the initial long thread but a couple of more recent ones. That is some crazy stuff over there! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s weird to have Clinton-supporting women claiming &quot;women&quot; should support other &quot;women&quot; -- who then go ballistic nasty clearly not respecting the basic humanity and intelligence of any actual woman who doesn&#039;t agree with them. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If we don&#039;t agree it&#039;s because we don&#039;t see it like they do -- according to one Clinton supporter, I was in fact insulted by NARAL&#039;s decision even if I say I wasn&#039;t, because &quot;all women&quot; were insulted and if I say not me, it&#039;s because I don&#039;t know when I have been insulted. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The push-back against any discussion of white feminist racism is the most overt shit I have seen, and I have seen a lot of push-back when white feminist racism comes up. But in my experience it&#039;s usually more subtle or covert than what I see over there. Maybe it&#039;s just the situations I travel in or something.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One other poster -- who assumed I was a woman of color simply because I was agreeing with what a black woman had posted (and then gotten attacked for) and myself talking about white feminist racism --  literally told me to &quot;sit down and shut up&quot; (I think there was a fuck in there too but not 100% sure and don&#039;t want to re-read it to find out).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I am really struck by this thing about loyalty &amp; betrayal. I know it&#039;s a Clinton thing but I think it&#039;s not just that when it comes to the white feminist outcries. One of the commenters over at the NARAL discussion actually used the phrase &quot;traitor to the cause&quot; for those who don&#039;t agree with her/support Clinton. (I remember even NY NOW saying this about Ted Kennedy that he had betrayed women or the women&#039;s movement or something like that, when he endorsed Senator Obama).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m trying to understand WTF specifically this is all about. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I just wrote out some of what I&#039;m thinking, with the idea that I would post it here in this comments section, but I saw rikyrah&#039;s comment to b-serious (Mon May 19, 09:24:00 AM 2008) and decided to not post it in case it&#039;s un-strategic to publicly say the things that are on my mind about this right now (it&#039;s pretty harsh). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And now I see this today:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/geraldine-ferra.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geraldine Ferraro, calling Barack Obama &quot;sexist,&quot; may not back him&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am extremely extremely hungry to read good sharp pull no punches analyses of this whole white feminists going off about sexism thing as it is coming up now and linked back through the whole campaign. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And my own thoughts about all this are -- well, as I said, pretty harsh and rikyrah&#039;s comment gives me pause about posting them right now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole Clinton/feminism/sexism thing (B-Serious&#8217;s NYT article link from the Portland rally discussion) has been on my mind a lot lately.</p><p>I got sort of caught up this weekend in the discussions at the NARAL blog &#8212; not the initial long thread but a couple of more recent ones. That is some crazy stuff over there!</p><p>It&#8217;s weird to have Clinton-supporting women claiming &#8220;women&#8221; should support other &#8220;women&#8221; &#8212; who then go ballistic nasty clearly not respecting the basic humanity and intelligence of any actual woman who doesn&#8217;t agree with them.</p><p>If we don&#8217;t agree it&#8217;s because we don&#8217;t see it like they do &#8212; according to one Clinton supporter, I was in fact insulted by NARAL&#8217;s decision even if I say I wasn&#8217;t, because &#8220;all women&#8221; were insulted and if I say not me, it&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t know when I have been insulted.</p><p>The push-back against any discussion of white feminist racism is the most overt shit I have seen, and I have seen a lot of push-back when white feminist racism comes up. But in my experience it&#8217;s usually more subtle or covert than what I see over there. Maybe it&#8217;s just the situations I travel in or something.</p><p>One other poster &#8212; who assumed I was a woman of color simply because I was agreeing with what a black woman had posted (and then gotten attacked for) and myself talking about white feminist racism &#8212;  literally told me to &#8220;sit down and shut up&#8221; (I think there was a fuck in there too but not 100% sure and don&#8217;t want to re-read it to find out).</p><p>And I am really struck by this thing about loyalty &#038; betrayal. I know it&#8217;s a Clinton thing but I think it&#8217;s not just that when it comes to the white feminist outcries. One of the commenters over at the NARAL discussion actually used the phrase &#8220;traitor to the cause&#8221; for those who don&#8217;t agree with her/support Clinton. (I remember even NY NOW saying this about Ted Kennedy that he had betrayed women or the women&#8217;s movement or something like that, when he endorsed Senator Obama).</p><p>I&#8217;m trying to understand WTF specifically this is all about.</p><p>I just wrote out some of what I&#8217;m thinking, with the idea that I would post it here in this comments section, but I saw rikyrah&#8217;s comment to b-serious (Mon May 19, 09:24:00 AM 2008) and decided to not post it in case it&#8217;s un-strategic to publicly say the things that are on my mind about this right now (it&#8217;s pretty harsh).</p><p>And now I see this today:</p><p><a HREF="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/geraldine-ferra.html" REL="nofollow">Geraldine Ferraro, calling Barack Obama &#8220;sexist,&#8221; may not back him</a></p><p>I am extremely extremely hungry to read good sharp pull no punches analyses of this whole white feminists going off about sexism thing as it is coming up now and linked back through the whole campaign.</p><p>And my own thoughts about all this are &#8212; well, as I said, pretty harsh and rikyrah&#8217;s comment gives me pause about posting them right now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: B-Serious</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/monday-open-thread-whats-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-15288</link> <dc:creator>B-Serious</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1250#comment-15288</guid> <description>OK. . . who is this other &quot;Bserious&quot; guy over at TPM Cafe???&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He&#039;s got my post, a post from Big Man and a recent post from Field Negro under his name.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He lists Field Negro&#039;s and Big Man&#039;s websites for attribution (at the tale end).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He doesn&#039;t attribute me whatsoever.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Once again.  &lt;b&gt;I AM NOT the &quot;Bserious&quot; over at TPM.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Does anyone know who this person is?  It would help to avoid further confusion in the future.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. . . who is this other &#8220;Bserious&#8221; guy over at TPM Cafe???</p><p>He&#8217;s got my post, a post from Big Man and a recent post from Field Negro under his name.</p><p>He lists Field Negro&#8217;s and Big Man&#8217;s websites for attribution (at the tale end).</p><p>He doesn&#8217;t attribute me whatsoever.</p><p>Once again. <b>I AM NOT the &#8220;Bserious&#8221; over at TPM.</b></p><p>Does anyone know who this person is?  It would help to avoid further confusion in the future.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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