Jack & Jill Politics

Betsy Reed? I'm laughing. Ava and C.I. nailed her Sunday:


http://thirdestatesundayreview.blogspot.com/2008/05/dear-betsy-reed.html



Betsy Reed is the execuctive editor of The Nation Magazine. The Nation Magazine published how many men in 2007? 491. How many women? 149.



I don't give a damn what that Queen Bee has to say.

It's really not about sex. It's about character, a true feminist should not be afriad to say so.


http://www.futureosophy.com/2008/05/hilary-clinton-major-setback-for.html

Race, Feminism and Hillary Clinton
May, 04 2008



By Betsy Reed

Source: The Nation



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In the course of Hillary Clinton's historic run for the White House--in which she became the first woman ever to prevail in a state-level presidential primary contest-- she has been likened to Lorena Bobbitt (by Tucker Carlson); a "hellish housewife" (Leon Wieseltier); and described as "witchy," a "she-devil," "anti-male" and "a stripteaser" (Chris Matthews). Her loud and hearty laugh has been labeled "the cackle," her voice compared to "fingernails on a blackboard" and her posture said to look "like everyone's first wife standing outside a probate court." As one Fox News commentator put it, "When Hillary Clinton speaks, men hear, Take out the garbage." Rush Limbaugh, who has no qualms about subjecting audiences to the spectacle of his own bloated physique, asked his listeners, "Will this country want to actually watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis?" Perhaps most damaging of all to her electoral prospects, very early on Clinton was deemed "unlikable." Although other factors also account for that dislike, much of the venom she elicits ("Iron my shirt," "How do we beat the bitch?") is clearly gender- specific.



Watching the brass ring of the presidency slip out of Clinton's grasp as she is buffeted by this torrent of misogyny, women--white women, that is, and mainstream feminists especially--have rallied to her defense. On January 8, after Barack Obama beat Clinton in the Iowa caucuses, Gloria Steinem published a New York Times op- ed titled "Women Are Never Front-Runners." "Gender is probably the most restricting force in American life, whether the question is who must be in the kitchen or who could be in the White House," Steinem wrote. Next came Clinton's famous "misting-over moment" in New Hampshire in response to a question from a woman about the stress of modern campaigning. For that display of emotion, Clinton was derided, on the one hand, as calculating and chameleonlike--"It could be that big girls don't cry...but it could be that if they do they win," said Chris Matthews--and, on the other, as lacking "strength and resolve," as her Democratic rival John Edwards put it, in a jab at the perennial Achilles' heel of women candidates. Riding a wave of female sympathy, Clinton won New Hampshire in what was dubbed an "anti- Chris Matthews vote."



Thus, feminist opposition to the sexist treatment of Hillary Clinton has morphed into support for the candidate herself. In February Robin Morgan published a reprise of her famous 1970 essay "Goodbye to All That," exhorting women to embrace Clinton as a protest against "sociopathic woman-hating." In the Los Angeles Times, Leslie Bennetts, author of The Feminine Mistake, wrote of older female voters fed up with the media's dismissive treatment of Clinton: "There are signs the slumbering beast may be waking up--and she's not in a happy mood." A recent New York magazine article titled "The Feminist Reawakening: Hillary Clinton and the Fourth Wave" described how "it isn't just the 'hot flash cohort'...that broke for Clinton. Women in their thirties and forties--at once discomfited and galvanized by the sexist tenor of the media coverage, by the nastiness of the watercooler talk in the office, by the realization that the once-foregone conclusion of Clinton-as-president might never come to be--did too."



The sexist attacks on Clinton are outrageous and deplorable, but there's reason to be concerned about her becoming the vehicle for a feminist reawakening. For one thing, feminist sympathy for her has begotten an "oppression sweepstakes" in which a number of her prominent supporters, dismayed at her upstaging by Obama, have declared a contest between racial and gender bias and named sexism the greater scourge. This maneuver is not only unhelpful for coalition-building but obstructs understanding of how sexism and racism have played out in this election in different (and interrelated) ways.



Yet what is most troubling--and what has the most serious implications for the feminist movement--is that the Clinton campaign has used her rival's race against him. In the name of demonstrating her superior "electability," she and her surrogates have invoked the racist and sexist playbook of the right--in which swaggering macho cowboys are entrusted to defend the country--seeking to define Obama as too black, too foreign, too different to be President at a moment of high anxiety about national security. This subtly but distinctly racialized political strategy did not create the media feeding frenzy around the Rev. Jeremiah Wright that is now weighing Obama down, but it has positioned Clinton to take advantage of the opportunities the controversy has presented. And the Clinton campaign's use of this strategy has many nonwhite and nonmainstream feminists crying foul.



While 2008 was never going to be a "postracial" campaign, the early racially tinged skirmishes between the Clinton and Obama camps seemed containable. There were references by Clinton campaign officials to Obama's admission of past drug use; the tit-for-tat over Clinton's tone-deaf but historically accurate statement that Martin Luther King needed Lyndon Johnson for his civil rights dreams to be realized; and insinuations that Obama is a token, unqualified, overreaching--that he's all pretty words, "fairy tales" and no action.



From the point of view of Obama's supporters, the edge was taken off some of these conflicts by the mere fact of his stunning electoral success, built as it was on significant white support. Melissa Harris-Lacewell, a professor of politics and African-American studies at Princeton and an Obama volunteer, recalls that for black Americans "Iowa was an astonishing moment--watching Barack win the caucus felt like Reconstruction. There was something powerful about feeling as though you were a full citizen." In democracy, Harris-Lacewell explains, "the ruled and rulers are supposed to be the same people. The idea that black folks could be engaged in the process of being rulers over not just black folks but over the nation as a whole struck me as very powerful."



Soon enough, however, that powerful idea came under attack.



"More than any single thing, that moment with Bill Clinton in South Carolina represents the rupture that was coming," says Harris-Lacewell. The moment occurred in late January, when the former President compared Obama's landslide win, in which he received a major boost from African-American voters, to Jesse Jackson's victories there in 1984 and 1988. Because the former President offered the comparison unprompted, in response to a question that had nothing to do with Jackson or race, the statement was widely read as chalking up Obama's win to his blackness alone and thus attempting to marginalize him as a doomed minority candidate with limited appeal. Obama was now "the black candidate," in the words of one Clinton strategist quoted by the AP.



By March, multiple videos of Wright, Obama's former pastor, had popped up on YouTube and had begun to play on an endless loop in the right-wing media. "God damn America for treating your citizens as less than human," Wright inveighed, reciting a litany of racial complaints. And he said in his sermon immediately following 9/11, "America's chickens are coming home to roost."



According to Smith College professor Paula Giddings, author of a new biography of Ida B. Wells, Ida: A Sword Among Lions and the Campaign Against Lynching, Wright's angry invocation of race and nation tapped into a reservoir of doubt about the very Americanness of African-Americans. "American citizenship has always been racialized as white. Who is a true American? Are African-Americans true Americans? That has been the question," she says.



In Obama's case--given his mixed-race lineage, his Kenyan father, his experiences growing up in Indonesia, his middle name (Hussein)--questions about his devotion to America carry a special potency, as xenophobia mingles with racism to create a poisonous brew. The toxicity is further heightened in this post-9/11 atmosphere, in which an image of Obama in Somali dress is understood as a slur and e-mails claiming that he is a "secret Muslim" schooled in a madrassa spread virally, along with rumors that he took the oath of office on a Koran. The madrassa and Koran canards have been thoroughly debunked, but still they persist--and few have been willing to stand up and say, So what if he was a Muslim? For her part, Clinton, asked on 60 Minutes whether Obama was a Muslim, said, "There is nothing to base that on, as far as I know."



Giddings calls the Wright association a "litmus test" that Obama must pass, saying, "It will be interesting to see if a man of color, a man who's cosmopolitan, can be the quintessential symbol of America" as its President.



Obama initially responded to that challenge with his speech in Philadelphia on March 18. While condemning Wright's words, he placed them in a historical context of racial oppression and said, "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community." (More recently, of course, Obama did renounce him.) But in the Philadelphia speech, called "A More Perfect Union," Obama also outlined a racially universal definition of American citizenship and affirmed his commitment to represent all Americans as President. "I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together--unless we perfect our union by understanding that we have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction."



A mere three days after Obama spoke those words, Bill Clinton made this statement in North Carolina about a potential Clinton-McCain general election matchup: "I think it'd be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics." Whether or not this statement constituted McCarthyism, as one Obama surrogate alleged and as Clinton supporters vigorously denied, the timing of the remark made its meaning quite clear: controversies relating to Obama's race render him less fit than either Hillary or McCain to run for president as a patriotic American. A couple of weeks later, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen went so far as to call on Obama to make another speech, modeled after John F. Kennedy's declaration in 1960 that, despite his Catholicism, he would respect the separation of church and state as President--as though Obama's blackness were a sign of allegiance to some entity, like the Vatican, other than the United States of America.



In the Democratic debates, enabled by the moderators, Hillary Clinton has increasingly deployed issues of race and patriotism as a wedge strategy against her opponent. First, in the debate in Cleveland on February 26, she pressed Obama not only to denounce but to reject Louis Farrakhan--to whom he was spuriously linked through Reverend Wright, who had taken a trip with the black nationalist leader in the 1980s. In style as well as content, that attack was a harbinger of things to come. In the most recent debate, ABC's George Stephanopolous and Charles Gibson peppered Obama with questions such as, "Do you believe [Wright] is as patriotic as you are?" and, regarding former Weatherman Bill Ayers, a Chicago neighbor and Obama supporter, "Can you explain that relationship for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?" Time after time, Clinton picked up the line and ran with it. "You know, these are problems, and they raise questions in people's minds. And so this is a legitimate area...for people to be exploring and trying to find answers," she said, seeming to abandon her argument that these issues are fair game now only because they will be raised by Republicans later and thus are relevant to an evaluation of Obama's electability.



The Wright, Farrakhan and Ayers controversies have been fueled by a craven media, and ABC's performance in the debate has rightly been condemned. But given that Clinton is the one who is running for President and who purports to represent liberal ideals, her complicity in such attempts to establish guilt by association is far more troubling. While she has dealt gingerly with the matter of Wright in the wake of his recent appearance at the National Press Club--accusing Republicans of politicizing the issue--she also took pains to remind reporters that she "would not have stayed in that church under those circumstances."



It's disappointing, to say the least, to see the first viable female contender for the presidency participate in attacks on her black opponent's patriotism, which exploit an anxious climate around national security that gives white men an edge both over women and people of color--who tend to be viewed, respectively, as weak and potentially traitorous. Says Paula Giddings, "This idea of nationalism and patriotism pulling at everyone has demanded hypermasculine men, more like McCain than the feline Obama, and demanded women whose role is to be maternal more than anything else."



For Hillary Clinton, the gendered terrain of post-9/11 national security politics has been treacherous indeed. As Elizabeth Drew observed in The New York Review of Books, Clinton took steps in the Senate, like joining the Armed Services Committee, "to protect herself from the sexist notion that a woman might be soft on national security." As a 2002 study by the White House Project, a women's leadership group, found, "Women candidates start out with a serious disadvantage--voters tend to view women as less effective and tough. Recent events of war, terrorism, and recession have only...increased the salience of these dimensions." Clinton has been quite successful in allaying these concerns, although she faces a Catch-22: her reputed toughness and ruthlessness have helped ratchet up her high negatives. The White House Project study found that a woman candidate faces a unique tension between the need to show herself "in a light that is personally appealing, while also showing that she has the kind of strength needed for the job she is seeking."



Of course, Clinton's decision to play the hawk may have had other motivations. Perhaps she really believed that voting to authorize the war in Iraq was the right thing to do (which is, arguably, even more worrying). But her posture in this campaign--threatening to "totally obliterate" Iran after being asked how she would respond in the highly improbable event of an Iranian nuclear strike against Israel, for example--has at least something to do with a desire to compete on a macho foreign policy playing field. It's the woman in this Democratic primary race who has the cowboy swagger: the nationalist and militaristic rhetoric, the whiskey- swilling photo-ops, the gotcha attacks for perceived insults to a working-class electorate (as in "Bittergate") that is usually depicted as white and male.



Clinton has, to be sure, faced a raw misogyny that has been more out in the open than the racial attacks on Obama have been. But while sexism may be more casually accepted, racism, which is often coded, is more insidious and trickier to confront. Clinton's response to "Iron my shirt" was immediate and straightforward: "Oh, the remnants of sexism, alive and well." Says Kimberlé Crenshaw, law professor at Columbia and UCLA and executive director of the African American Policy Forum, "While sexism can be denounced more directly, that doesn't mean it's worse. Things that are racist have yet to be labeled and understood as such."



While on occasion Obama's campaign has complained of racial slights, Obama himself has avoided raising the charge directly. Even so, Clinton supporters make the twisted claim that it is Obama who has racialized the campaign. "While promoting Obama as a 'post-racial' figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics," wrote Sean Wilentz in The New Republic in an article titled "Race Man." Bill Clinton recently groused that the Obama camp, in the controversy over his Jackson remark, "played the race card on me."



As for the way the Clinton campaign has dealt with race, Crenshaw says, "It started with a small drumbeat, but as the campaign has proceeded, as Hillary has taken part in things, more people are really seeing this as a 'line in the sand' kind of moment."



Among the black feminists interviewed for this article, reactions to the declarations of sexism's greater toll by Clinton supporters--and their demand that all women back their candidate out of gender solidarity, regardless of the broader politics of the campaign--ran the gamut from astonishment to dismay to fury. Patricia Hill Collins, a sociology professor at the University of Maryland and author of Black Feminist Thought, recalls how, before they were reduced to their race or gender, the candidates were not seen solely through the prism of identity, and many Democrats were thrilled with the choices before them. But of the present, she says, "It is such a distressing, ugly period. Clinton has manipulated ideas about race, but Obama has not manipulated similar ideas about gender." This has exacerbated longstanding racial tensions within the women's movement, Collins notes, and is likely to alienate young black women who might otherwise have been receptive to feminism. "We had made progress in getting younger black women to see that gender does matter in their lives. Now they are going to ask, What kind of white woman is Hillary Clinton?"



The sense of progress unraveling is profound. "What happened to the perspective that the failures of feminism lay in pandering to racism, to everyone nodding that these were fatal mistakes--how is it that all that could be jettisoned?" asks Crenshaw, who co-wrote a piece with Eve Ensler on the Huffington Post called "Feminist Ultimatums: Not in Our Name." Crenshaw says that, appalled as she is by the sexism toward Clinton, she found herself stunned by some of the arguments pro- Hillary feminists were making. "There is a myopic focus on the aspiration of having a woman in the White House-- perhaps not any woman, but it seems to be pretty much enough that she be a Democratic woman." This stance, says Crenshaw, "is really a betrayal."



Frances Kissling, the former president of Catholics for a Free Choice, attributes this go-for-broke attitude to the mindset of corporate feminism. "There's a way in which feminists who have been seriously engaged in electoral politics for a long time, the institutional DC feminist leadership, they are just with Hillary Clinton come hell or high water. I think they have accepted, as she has accepted, a similar career trajectory. They are not uncomfortable with what has gone on in the campaign, because they see electoral campaigns as mere instruments for getting elected. This is just the way it is. We have to get elected."



The implications of all this for the future of feminism depend significantly on the outcome of the primary, says Kissling. "If Clinton wins, the older-line women's movement will continue; it will be a continuation of power for them. If she doesn't win, it will be a death knell for those people. And that may be a good thing-- that a younger generation will start to take over."



Many younger women, indeed, have responded to the admonishments of their pro-Hillary second-wave elders by articulating a sophisticated political orientation that includes feminism but is not confined to it. They may support Obama, but they still abhor the sexism Clinton has faced. And they detect--and reject--a tinge of sexism among male peers who have developed man-crushes on the dashing senator from Illinois. "Even while they voice dismay over the retro tone of the pro-Clinton feminist whine, a growing number of young women are struggling to describe a gut conviction that there is something dark and funky, and probably not so female- friendly, running below the frantic fanaticism of their Obama-loving compatriots," wrote Rebecca Traister in Salon.



It's not just young feminists who have taken such a nuanced view. Calling themselves Feminists for Peace and Obama, 1,500 prominent progressive feminists--including Kissling, Barbara Ehrenreich and this magazine's [The Nation] Katha Pollitt--signed on to a statement endorsing him and disavowing Clinton's militaristic politics. "Issues of war and peace are also part of a feminist agenda," they declared.



In some sense, this is a clarifying moment as well as a wrenching one. For so many years, feminists have been engaged in a pushback against the right that has obscured some of the real and important differences among them. "Today you see things you might not have seen. It's clearer now about where the lines are between corporate feminism and more grassroots, global feminism," says Crenshaw. Women who identify with the latter movement are saying, as she puts it, "'Wait a minute, that's not the banner we are marching under!'"



Feminist Obama supporters of all ages and hues, meanwhile, are hoping that he comes out of this bruising primary with his style of politics intact. While he calls it "a new kind of politics," Clinton and Obama are actually very similar in their records and agendas (which is perhaps why this contest has fixated so obsessively on their gender and race). But in his rhetoric and his stance toward the world outside our borders, Obama does appear to offer a way out of the testosterone-addled GOP framework. As he said after losing Pennsylvania, "We can be a party that thinks the only way to look tough on national security is to talk, and act, and vote like George Bush and John McCain. We can use fear as a tactic and the threat of terrorism to scare up votes. Or we can decide that real strength is asking the tough questions before we send our troops to fight."



As comedian Chris Rock quipped, Bush "fucked up so bad that he's made it hard for a white man to run for President." Rock spoke too soon: many are hungry for a shift, but the country needs the right push to get there. Unfortunately, from Hillary Clinton, it's getting a shove in the wrong direction.



About Betsy Reed

Betsy Reed is the executive editor of The Nation. She is the editor of Unnatural Disaster: The Nation on Hurricane Katrina, a collection of the magazine's coverage of the storm and its aftermath published by Nation Books on the hurricane's one-year anniversary.



She also edited the anthology Nothing Sacred: Women Respond to Religious Fundamentalism and Terror, published by Nation Books in 2003.

Hillary didn't so much win that primary in Pa as ensure that the
Democrats lost it. The time is long overdue for her to frankly admit that her race is run. She cannot win the nomination from here. All she can do is ensure that money pledged by people who want the Democrats to win in November ends up saving a Republican from spending his money

and goodwill doing what she is doing.



So far, Obama has won



a) the popular vote

b) most states

c) most delegates

d) the fund raising campaign





And is





d) ahead in the opinion polls

e) seen by most Democrats as more electable





Hillary is seen by about 60% of the electorate as untrustworthy and about 50% will never vote for her. Yet in a straight race with McCain, Obama might well score as much as 60% -- he's that sort of candidate.





Any combination of circumstances that now saw Hillary get the

nomination would be an unmitigated disaster, unless you want a

Republican to win. In short, the party cannot in the end, put her

forward. The sooner she accepts that and moves on the better everyone will be.





Democrats who want to see a Democrat win in November should write their elected officials now, (especially those who are unpledged or committed to Clinton), saying plainly that we will not tolerate this

contest going on any longer, and that if Clinton gets the nomination, we will not give her campaign the time of day, much less our votes or cash. We must make it clear to them that if the Democrats don't win in November, those who failed to come out against Clinton must bear their

share of the blame.





We must do it in our tens of thousands and we must do it now.





PeteR

We already know her hustle...it's to steal the nomination.


She's going to get Michigan and Florida delegates seated.



Period.



That's the hustle and as I've stated numerous times. This is ONE voter that will never vote for her.

b-serious,


I understand where you're coming from. He should choose his OWN VP candidate, because WHEN THEY LOSE, her camp will BLAME HIM.



So, he's better off, choosing his own VP and winning or losing on his own.



It's about 2012. If they can spin the 'loss' on Obama, then they think they can run again in 2012.



Fuck that.



Choose his own running mate, and just go for it.

rikyrah,


I'm with you. I've already stated why Hillary as veep is a HORRIBLE idea.



I'm just saying. . . Obama might reach a point where it's out of his hands. . . where the supers give him the ultimatum: "Offer Hillary veep or we side with her."



What leverage will Obama have if he has to go through another month of smear tactics and fluctuating poll numbers with no support from the party? Why are supers sitting on the sidelines in all of this?



It tells me those supers want the easy way out. From a PR stance, the famed, "unity/dream-team" ticket is the easy way out.



Don't get me wrong. It's still a bunch of BS. I still wouldn't pick her if I were him. I'd just conduct a media campaign stressing the fact that the nominee has the right to pick his v.p.



But we all know that Hillary has something up her sleave.



I'm just looking for her hustle. I can feel one coming.

b-serious, I just saw that on MSNBC. It was unreal...they totally lied on the poll....ridiculous.

This is all very frustrating.


I'm 26 years old. And this the first time I've been told that things like numbers and math don't really count. As a matter of fact. . . am I alone or does anyone else find it odd that the media never talked about super delegates until Obama beat Hillary in Iowa?



I just watched two cable new networks spin the polls in a shamelessly pro-Hillary way. They took one of Hillary's strongest polls in IN and matched that with one of Obama's weakest polls in NC to make the narrative that Hillary has IN on lock while Obama is vulnerable to an upset in NC.



Yes, they cherry picked the polls. Completely ignoring the polls that show IN as a virtual toss-up and Obama holding steady at 8-10 points in NC. I even saw MSNBC show a pro-Obama poll (CBS poll) with Hillary's face on top and Obama's on the bottom.



I'm tellin' y'all. . .we need to start calling the media out. The media is beginning to lay out a scenario that will give supers the excuse to take the nomination away from Obama. This has to be stopped.



They'll hang on to this "blue-collar white voter" thing until (a) it brings Obama down; or (b) Obama shuts everyone up with a strong performance.



The media narrative is transparently clear:



For them it would have to start with a surprising loss in NC. After that, the media would hype West Virginia and Kentucky as must win contests, KNOWING fully welll that Obama is (and has always been) slated for a clobbering in those two states.



They'd look at Hillary's winning streak and call her the frontrunner even though she trails in pledged delegates.



They'd use that momentum to turn the volume up on the MI/FL issue, giving Hillary cover to try her "Nuclear Option" (Huffington Post) on May 31st.



Everyone loves a vacation in the tropics, so the media will focus on Puerto Rico like its the end-all-be-all in politics. . . fully expecting Hillary to win there by double digits.



We end with the Dems worst nightmare: Obama played by the rules; he has the numbers, but no momentum. Hillary, on the other hand, continuously changed the rules; she did not EARN the nomination but the media will provide more than enough cover for the supers to reverse the will of the people.



As for Obama? Well, he gets relegated to martyr status. And white folks love a black martyr. They can feel sorry for him. They'll remorsefully say, "Look at what that mean old pastor did to Obama" as they take the nomination away and hand it to Hillary . . . GUILT FREE!



They'll happily reflect on how that inspirational negro came up short but taught us all a valuable lesson in the process. Hillary gets the power, and Obama (if he's lucky) gets a footnote in the history books.



It's absolutely SICKENING, but I can see the writing on the wall. It's not right. It's downright undemocratic. But I question whether offended constituencies (and even Obama himself) will have enough pride to stand up for themselves and say, "enough is enough!"



When will people stand up for themselves?!?!?



We've come too far to turn back now. But we need to keep a look out for the hustle that's coming Obama's way.



With all of that said, Obama can avoid all of this if he:



1. Wins NC by a healthy margin (7+ points); AND



2. Wins or at least keeps it close in IN (not getting blown out by high single or double digits).



I think he can do it. But, we'll have to wait and see.

b-serious,


then they would prove that they don't want to win. at all.



When I say she brings NOTHING to the ticket, I mean that.



She doesn't help with Independents.She doesn't help with Republicans. She doesn't. She brings an over 50% negative rating, scandals galore, the ability to galvanize the demoralized GOP base, and Bill.



LOSER.



Uh uh.



Let him win or lose on his own. No way in hell put her on the ticket.



Once again, I find this humorous that Black folk discuss this bullshit, yeah Jesse, shut the fuck up.





Obama's White Progressive supporters - not even under consideration for them.

What if the Dems FORCE Obama to put Hillary on the ticket?


Something tells me Hillary wants to play King-maker, even though she knows she can't win.

I won't vote for the joint ticket.


If I was Obama I wouldn't trust that witch even farther than I could see her.



I hear ya on a joint ticket. She brings nothing but problems. If they need a White woman, there are plenty of White women, NONE of which have her baggage.

I believe North Carolina, he will win, Black American Princess. Indiana is a toss up. Without Rev. Wright, I believe he could have won Indiana easily.

I don't know, I think he'll win NC by about 12 points and I hope he wins Indiana even by a hair. It would be a moral victory in addition to a practical one. To show the people who would divide and race bait that they won't prevail!

Do yall think Obama's gonna win Indiana and/or North Carolina? I am so pissed at Rev. Wright I don't know what to do.....

ms.martin,


I agree. He'd be a fool to trust her. Obama just got betrayed by his PASTOR! I hope he was paying attention.

I meant to say any farther than I could see her.

James Carlville looks defeated and Jesse Jackson is talking about a joint ticket. I think it's over for Hillary.


I won't vote for the joint ticket.



If I was Obama I wouldn't trust that witch even farther than I could see her.

Support for Reverend Wright from the AME Church:
http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2008/3/24/13404/5738



And the Presbyterian Church USA

http://www.pcusa.org/pcnews/2008/08227.htm



Of course you won't hear from them on CNN.



This is who CNN let's talk about the issue:

http://www.thepottershouse.org/v2/content/view/179/249/

I just got a text message alert that the Dems are calling for a closed door meeting on Iraq war funding tonight. Call Speaker Pelosi 800-481-9519 or 202-225-4965. They're planning on giving Bush another $178 Billion! This rubber stamping has to stop.

Ratings for Obama on MTP vs. Hillpatine's sham on ABC


Drudge has them. Obama 8.5 to Hillary 1.5

Hi there! {waves}


Since you asked the question....we're at my house (blog) debating two hot topics at the moment:



"LOST ABSOLUTION: WHITE MEN AND THEIR HORRID HISTORY WITH BLACK WOMEN"



"THE SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS OF BIGOTRY" (you're warned that the comments section on this is now 35 pages long!)



There was also a discussion last week on the sexual ethics of black women.



You are more than welcome to do a drive by ... if you can stand the intensity!



Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!

Lisa



http://blackwomenblowthetrumpet.blogspot.com

I'd also like to add or to ask why are we not giving serious discussion about 3rd party alternatives and their candidates?

tmp -


These Black organizations were founded and co-founded mostly by white people who used their influence as a means of increasing political standing for themselves and their interests and once acquired abandoned them. It's so telling how those so closely tied to Civil Rights Industrial Complex who are left have aligned themselves with Clinton and are seen as ineffective by the generation that proceeded them. They're all jockeying for crumbs and a few favors instead creating a new path. They've joined the oppressor and co-opted that message and floundered in mediocrity and have lost their focus. I guess I also shouldn't discount the very real threat of physical violence as a number of people flaws and all were killed by factions of the gov't as well. But..that happens to people all over the world for the sake of maintaining a particular status quo. We need to expose it.

Totally off topic, but I feel bad for the horse that was euthanized. I'm not a pet person, but I know pet people, and I know horse people, and they are insane for those animals. Everyone involved with that horse is probably besides themselves with grief.

This is really off topic, but I am building an interactive map of expatriate black (across the african diaspora) blogs. If you know of a link to a black site outside of africa, the US, or Brazil, please drop me a link.


The site is: http://cagedlion.squarespace.com/globalafros/</br>

Two links:


-Indiana Voter purges?



I don't have time to look into this right now, but just got it in my email and thought I would post it here for others who might be able to:



T5-4-08: One million purged - The Incredible Disappearing Indiana Voter Rolls



-And a funny:



Obama Proposes Gas-bag Holiday: Prominent Gas-bags Oppose Plan

T.D. Jakes weighs in on the misalignment of the black church:


Negative press distracts churches from mission

1.1 million voters purged from IN voter rolls, mostly from Obama strongholds.


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After this election is over I think many of us in the African-American community should start scrutinizing the true role many of the established and historic organizations that exist, ostensibly, to advance the betterment of African Americans. During this election I have seen groups like the National Organization of Women and Emily's List come out %100 for Hillary Clinton which I do not fault them for. Organizations like the NAACP and the Urban league have done nothing in support for Barak Obama and in some cases members of the leadership in these organizations (e.g. Julian Bond) have tried to sabotage the first viable Black presidential candidate. If these organizations can not bring themselves, for whatever reason, to get behind something that is such a clear cut benefit to the African American community then what is that they doing for African Americans? I know what their websites says and what they have done historically but what are they really doing today? Where are they present in the community in any consequential way? I suspect that these organizations have simply devolved into networking organizations for people who want to get ahead in business and politics as well as a glorified retirement plan for civil rights era luminaries. All the rest of it is simply perfunctory. I would be fine with this except these organizations are sucking up the resources that should be going to other organizations that are actively doing things to better the lives of African Americans right now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/opinion/04ric... research this and get this circulating out there... It's only fair to fight fire with fire....

Here is an interesting article from the New York Times... Others may have read it already, but for those that haven't.... enjoy.


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The All-White Elephant in the Room

FRANK RICH

Published: May 4, 2008

BORED by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go directly to YouTube, search for “John Hagee Roman Church Hitler,” and be recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.



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Read All Comments (650) »What you’ll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice. The woman is “the Great Whore,” Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking “the blood of the Jewish people.” That’s because the Great Whore represents “the Roman Church,” which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.



Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious conservatives’ favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.



Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew anything then about Mr. Hagee’s views? This particular YouTube video — far from the only one — was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple religious networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity Broadcasting, which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a laptop could have vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.



Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it’s true, did not blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins, particularly a scheduled “homosexual parade there on the Monday that Katrina came.”



Mr. Hagee didn’t make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He broadcast it on one of America’s most widely heard radio programs, “Fresh Air” on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio interview less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr. McCain about this Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it as “nonsense” and the preacher retract it.



Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee’s calumnies, any more than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright’s. But those who try to give Mr. McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin case. It boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20 years at Mr. Hagee’s church.



That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive recipient of this bigot’s endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a pre-emptive “holy war” with Iran. (This preacher’s rantings may tell us more about Mr. McCain’s policy views than Mr. Wright’s tell us about Mr. Obama’s.) Even after Mr. Hagee’s Catholic bashing bubbled up in the mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as Mr. Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of Tim Russert and Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago that while he condemns any “anti-anything” remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is still “glad to have his endorsement.”



I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr. Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in full “Great Whore” glory. But Mr. McCain didn’t have to fear so rude a transgression. Mr. Hagee’s videos have never had the same circulation on television as Mr. Wright’s. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just doesn’t have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man.



Perhaps that’s why virtually no one has rebroadcast the highly relevant prototype for Mr. Wright’s fiery claim that 9/11 was America’s chickens “coming home to roost.” That would be the Sept. 13, 2001, televised exchange between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who blamed the attacks on America’s abortionists, feminists, gays and A.C.L.U. lawyers. (Mr. Wright blamed the attacks on America’s foreign policy.) Had that video re-emerged in the frenzied cable-news rotation, Mr. McCain might have been asked to explain why he no longer calls these preachers “agents of intolerance” and chose to cozy up to Mr. Falwell by speaking at his Liberty University in 2006.



None of this is to say that two wacky white preachers make a Wright right. It is entirely fair for any voter to weigh Mr. Obama’s long relationship with his pastor in assessing his fitness for office. It is also fair to weigh Mr. Obama’s judgment in handling this personal and political crisis as it has repeatedly boiled over. But whatever that verdict, it is disingenuous to pretend that there isn’t a double standard operating here. If we’re to judge black candidates on their most controversial associates — and how quickly, sternly and completely they disown them — we must judge white politicians by the same yardstick.



When Rudy Giuliani, still a viable candidate, successfully courted Pat Robertson for an endorsement last year, few replayed Mr. Robertson’s greatest past insanities. Among them is his best-selling 1991 tome, “The New World Order,” which peddled some of the same old dark conspiracy theories about “European bankers” (who just happened to be named Warburg, Schiff and Rothschild) that Mr. Farrakhan has trafficked in. Nor was Mr. Giuliani ever seriously pressed to explain why his cronies on the payroll at Giuliani Partners included a priest barred from the ministry by his Long Island diocese in 2002 following allegations of sexual abuse. Much as Mr. Wright officiated at the Obamas’ wedding, so this priest officiated at (one of) Mr. Giuliani’s. Did you even hear about it?



There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and representatives in Washington. Yes, there are appointees like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice, but, as we learned during the Mark Foley scandal, even gay men may hold more G.O.P. positions of power than blacks.



A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is quite an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits on the right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial skirmish are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the racial dysfunction in their own house. In our mainstream political culture, this de facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable given, unworthy of notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in polite Beltway company. Those who dare are instantly accused of “political correctness” or “reverse racism.”



An all-white Congressional delegation doesn’t happen by accident. It’s the legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the Southern strategy in the Nixon era. No one knows this better than Mr. McCain, whose own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious smear in his party’s South Carolina primary of 2000.



This year Mr. McCain has called for a respectful (i.e., non-race-baiting) campaign and has gone so far as to criticize (ineffectually) North Carolina’s Republican Party for running a Wright-demonizing ad in that state’s current primary. Mr. McCain has been posing (awkwardly) with black people in his tour of “forgotten” America. Speaking of Katrina in New Orleans, he promised that “never again” would a federal recovery effort be botched on so grand a scale.



This is all surely sincere, and a big improvement over Mitt Romney’s dreams of his father marching with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Up to a point. Here, too, there’s a double standard. Mr. McCain is graded on a curve because the G.O.P. bar is set so low. But at a time when the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that President Bush is an even greater drag on his popularity than Mr. Wright is on Mr. Obama’s, Mr. McCain’s New Orleans visit is more about the self-interested politics of distancing himself from Mr. Bush than the recalibration of policy.



Mr. McCain took his party’s stingier line on Katrina aid and twice opposed an independent commission to investigate the failed government response. Asked on his tour what should happen to the Ninth Ward now, he called for “a conversation” about whether anyone should “rebuild it, tear it down, you know, whatever it is.” Whatever, whenever, never mind.



For all this primary season’s obsession with the single (and declining) demographic of white working-class men in Rust Belt states, America is changing rapidly across all racial, generational and ethnic lines. The Census Bureau announced last week that half the country’s population growth since 2000 is due to Hispanics, another group understandably alienated from the G.O.P.



Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there’s any coherent message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by Hurricane Jeremiah, it’s that this nation’s perennially promised candid conversation on race has yet to begin.



(I'll also leave the link to this article. The author hyper-links each key issue with the actual article in which his facts derive from.) enjoy!!!