<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: McCain Caught Contradicting Himself Again. This Time On Hamas</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/mccain-caught-contradicting-himself-again-this-time-on-hamas/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/mccain-caught-contradicting-himself-again-this-time-on-hamas/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:32:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/mccain-caught-contradicting-himself-again-this-time-on-hamas/comment-page-1/#comment-14929</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1237#comment-14929</guid> <description>The Left has had a field day with an expertly-clipped YouTube excerpt from a John McCain interview in January 2006, shortly after Hamas won the Palestinian Authority election. Former Clinton official James Rubin uses it for a dishonest attack on McCain, calling him a hypocrite for tying Barack Obama to Hamas while McCain supposedly supported diplomatic contact with the terrorist group. In doing so, Rubin and McCain’s opponents misrepresent both the Hamas issue and the larger context of McCain’s remarks:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    &quot;If the recent exchanges between President Bush, Barack Obama and John McCain on Hamas and terrorism are a preview of the general election, we are in for an ugly six months. Despite his reputation in the media as a charming maverick, McCain has shown that he is also happy to use Nixon-style dirty campaign tactics. By charging recently that Hamas is rooting for an Obama victory, McCain tried to use guilt by association to suggest that Obama is weak on national security and won’t stand up to terrorist organizations, or that, as Richard Nixon might have put it, Obama is soft on Israel.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Charging? Hamas came out and stated its support for an Obama victory. It’s not a matter of charging anything, although the relevancy of the comments are certainly debatable. Not only did Hamas endorse Obama, but his chief strategist proclaimed himself “flattered” by the statement from Ahmed Yousef. Obama’s church reproduced pro-Hamas propaganda in its newsletter, and his foreign-policy adviser Robert Malley met with Hamas on several occasions. Malley recently left the campaign, but his pro-Palestinian bent has been noted for months.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rubin then micharacterizes these comments taken from the YouTube video sweeping the netroots:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    &quot;Two years ago, just after Hamas won the Palestinian parliamentary elections, I interviewed McCain for the British network Sky News’s “World News Tonight” program. Here is the crucial part of our exchange:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    I asked: “Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    McCain answered: “They’re the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it’s a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“Deal with them, one way or another” doesn’t mean cutting deals with them; it means acknowledging their presence in the situation. That becomes clear when McCain’s further comments in the same time frame. After Hamas won that election, McCain made clear the conditions for engagement of Hamas in a press release dated 1/26/06:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    In the wake of yesterday’s Palestinian elections, Hamas must change itself fundamentally - renounce violence, abandon its goal of eradicating Israel and accept the two-state solution. These elections are evidence that democracy is indeed spreading in the Middle East, but Hamas is not a partner for peace so long as they advocate the overthrow of Israel.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In an interview with CNN, McCain once again made clear that the US would not negotiate with terrorists, whether they got elected or not:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    CNN’S BETTY NGUYEN: All right, let’s shift over to the global front. The Bush administration is reviewing all aspects of U.S. aid to the Palestinians now that Hamas has won the elections. And I do have to quote you here. A State Department spokesman did say this: ‘To be very clear’ – and I’m quoting now – ‘we do not provide money to terrorist organizations.’ What does this do to the U.S. relationship with the Palestinians?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    MCCAIN: Well, hopefully, that Hamas now that they are going to govern, will be motivated to renounce this commitment to the extinction of the state of Israel. Then we can do business again, we can resume aid, we can resume the peace process.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The context here is crystal clear. McCain envisioned a possible change in Hamas from a terrorist group to a legitimate political party, one that recognized Israel and renounced violence. Under those conditions, McCain said that we could engage them in talks designed to establish peace, and only under those conditions. The Bush administration had the same policy at the time. Neither the US nor John McCain supported meeting with Hamas without preconditions, and they certainly didn’t have policy advisers meeting with them while they conducted terrorist attacks and plotted an armed takeover of Gaza.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This attack meme demonstrates a breathtaking bit of intellectual dishonesty. We expect that from the hard Left. Coming from the Washington Post, even in its opinion section, it disappoints. So much for the layers of fact-checkers and editors. And now that our friends on the Left have acknowledged the terrorist status of Hamas, can they explain Malley’s presence on the Obama campaign for months while his connections to Hamas were fairly well known?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left has had a field day with an expertly-clipped YouTube excerpt from a John McCain interview in January 2006, shortly after Hamas won the Palestinian Authority election. Former Clinton official James Rubin uses it for a dishonest attack on McCain, calling him a hypocrite for tying Barack Obama to Hamas while McCain supposedly supported diplomatic contact with the terrorist group. In doing so, Rubin and McCain’s opponents misrepresent both the Hamas issue and the larger context of McCain’s remarks:</p><p> &#8220;If the recent exchanges between President Bush, Barack Obama and John McCain on Hamas and terrorism are a preview of the general election, we are in for an ugly six months. Despite his reputation in the media as a charming maverick, McCain has shown that he is also happy to use Nixon-style dirty campaign tactics. By charging recently that Hamas is rooting for an Obama victory, McCain tried to use guilt by association to suggest that Obama is weak on national security and won’t stand up to terrorist organizations, or that, as Richard Nixon might have put it, Obama is soft on Israel.&#8221;</p><p>Charging? Hamas came out and stated its support for an Obama victory. It’s not a matter of charging anything, although the relevancy of the comments are certainly debatable. Not only did Hamas endorse Obama, but his chief strategist proclaimed himself “flattered” by the statement from Ahmed Yousef. Obama’s church reproduced pro-Hamas propaganda in its newsletter, and his foreign-policy adviser Robert Malley met with Hamas on several occasions. Malley recently left the campaign, but his pro-Palestinian bent has been noted for months.</p><p>Rubin then micharacterizes these comments taken from the YouTube video sweeping the netroots:</p><p> &#8220;Two years ago, just after Hamas won the Palestinian parliamentary elections, I interviewed McCain for the British network Sky News’s “World News Tonight” program. Here is the crucial part of our exchange:</p><p> I asked: “Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?”</p><p> McCain answered: “They’re the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it’s a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.”</p><p>“Deal with them, one way or another” doesn’t mean cutting deals with them; it means acknowledging their presence in the situation. That becomes clear when McCain’s further comments in the same time frame. After Hamas won that election, McCain made clear the conditions for engagement of Hamas in a press release dated 1/26/06:</p><p> In the wake of yesterday’s Palestinian elections, Hamas must change itself fundamentally &#8211; renounce violence, abandon its goal of eradicating Israel and accept the two-state solution. These elections are evidence that democracy is indeed spreading in the Middle East, but Hamas is not a partner for peace so long as they advocate the overthrow of Israel.</p><p>In an interview with CNN, McCain once again made clear that the US would not negotiate with terrorists, whether they got elected or not:</p><p> CNN’S BETTY NGUYEN: All right, let’s shift over to the global front. The Bush administration is reviewing all aspects of U.S. aid to the Palestinians now that Hamas has won the elections. And I do have to quote you here. A State Department spokesman did say this: ‘To be very clear’ – and I’m quoting now – ‘we do not provide money to terrorist organizations.’ What does this do to the U.S. relationship with the Palestinians?</p><p> MCCAIN: Well, hopefully, that Hamas now that they are going to govern, will be motivated to renounce this commitment to the extinction of the state of Israel. Then we can do business again, we can resume aid, we can resume the peace process.&#8221;</p><p>The context here is crystal clear. McCain envisioned a possible change in Hamas from a terrorist group to a legitimate political party, one that recognized Israel and renounced violence. Under those conditions, McCain said that we could engage them in talks designed to establish peace, and only under those conditions. The Bush administration had the same policy at the time. Neither the US nor John McCain supported meeting with Hamas without preconditions, and they certainly didn’t have policy advisers meeting with them while they conducted terrorist attacks and plotted an armed takeover of Gaza.</p><p>This attack meme demonstrates a breathtaking bit of intellectual dishonesty. We expect that from the hard Left. Coming from the Washington Post, even in its opinion section, it disappoints. So much for the layers of fact-checkers and editors. And now that our friends on the Left have acknowledged the terrorist status of Hamas, can they explain Malley’s presence on the Obama campaign for months while his connections to Hamas were fairly well known?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/mccain-caught-contradicting-himself-again-this-time-on-hamas/comment-page-1/#comment-14923</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1237#comment-14923</guid> <description>Other public comments and interviews by McCain from that time period:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    After The Palestinian Election, John McCain Said In A Statement That &quot;Hamas Is Not A Partner For Peace So Long As They Advocate The Overthrow Of Israel.&quot; &quot;In the wake of yesterday&#039;s Palestinian elections, Hamas must change itself fundamentally - renounce violence, abandon its goal of eradicating Israel and accept the two-state solution. These elections are evidence that democracy is indeed spreading in the Middle East, but Hamas is not a partner for peace so long as they advocate the overthrow of Israel.&quot; (Office Of U.S. Senator John McCain, &quot;Sen. McCain Reacts To Palestinian Election,&quot; Press Release, 1/26/06)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    From Davos, John McCain Says Hamas Must Renounce Its Commitment To The Extinction Of The State Of Israel. CNN&#039;S BETTY NGUYEN: &quot; All right, let&#039;s shift over to the global front. The Bush administration is reviewing all aspects of U.S. aid to the Palestinians now that Hamas has won the elections. And I do have to quote you here. A State Department spokesman did say this: &#039;To be very clear&#039; – and I&#039;m quoting now – &#039;we do not provide money to terrorist organizations.&#039; What does this do to the U.S. relationship with the Palestinians?&quot; MCCAIN: &quot;Well, hopefully, that Hamas now that they are going to govern, will be motivated to renounce this commitment to the extinction of the state of Israel. Then we can do business again, we can resume aid, we can resume the peace process.&quot; (CNN&#039;s &quot;Saturday Morning News,&quot; 1/28/06)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    CNN&#039;s Suzanne Malveaux: &quot;Straight Talk For Hamas By U.S. Senator John McCain.&quot; SEN. JOHN MCCAIN: &quot;Hopefully that Hamas, now that they are going to govern, will be motivated to renounce this commitment to the extinction of the State of Israel. Then we can do business again.&quot; CNN&#039;S SUZANNE MALVEAUX: &quot;Straight talk for Hamas by U.S. Senator John McCain.&quot; (CNN&#039;s &quot;Live Saturday,&quot; 1/28/06)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other public comments and interviews by McCain from that time period:</p><p> After The Palestinian Election, John McCain Said In A Statement That &#8220;Hamas Is Not A Partner For Peace So Long As They Advocate The Overthrow Of Israel.&#8221; &#8220;In the wake of yesterday&#8217;s Palestinian elections, Hamas must change itself fundamentally &#8211; renounce violence, abandon its goal of eradicating Israel and accept the two-state solution. These elections are evidence that democracy is indeed spreading in the Middle East, but Hamas is not a partner for peace so long as they advocate the overthrow of Israel.&#8221; (Office Of U.S. Senator John McCain, &#8220;Sen. McCain Reacts To Palestinian Election,&#8221; Press Release, 1/26/06)</p><p> From Davos, John McCain Says Hamas Must Renounce Its Commitment To The Extinction Of The State Of Israel. CNN&#8217;S BETTY NGUYEN: &#8221; All right, let&#8217;s shift over to the global front. The Bush administration is reviewing all aspects of U.S. aid to the Palestinians now that Hamas has won the elections. And I do have to quote you here. A State Department spokesman did say this: &#8216;To be very clear&#8217; – and I&#8217;m quoting now – &#8216;we do not provide money to terrorist organizations.&#8217; What does this do to the U.S. relationship with the Palestinians?&#8221; MCCAIN: &#8220;Well, hopefully, that Hamas now that they are going to govern, will be motivated to renounce this commitment to the extinction of the state of Israel. Then we can do business again, we can resume aid, we can resume the peace process.&#8221; (CNN&#8217;s &#8220;Saturday Morning News,&#8221; 1/28/06)</p><p> CNN&#8217;s Suzanne Malveaux: &#8220;Straight Talk For Hamas By U.S. Senator John McCain.&#8221; SEN. JOHN MCCAIN: &#8220;Hopefully that Hamas, now that they are going to govern, will be motivated to renounce this commitment to the extinction of the State of Israel. Then we can do business again.&#8221; CNN&#8217;S SUZANNE MALVEAUX: &#8220;Straight talk for Hamas by U.S. Senator John McCain.&#8221; (CNN&#8217;s &#8220;Live Saturday,&#8221; 1/28/06)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/mccain-caught-contradicting-himself-again-this-time-on-hamas/comment-page-1/#comment-14918</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1237#comment-14918</guid> <description>who cares if mccain is a flip flopper. the main problem is israeli occupation, and the racism inherent to zionism and the very project to displace the indigenous arab population of palestine. any discussion of the matter that doesn&#039;t start from these premises is completely useless. this flip flop chatter is a gigantic distraction by both the Dems and the Repubs. if you don&#039;t talk about the fundamentals -- in particular, the ethnic cleansing of palestine in 1947-48, the forty year occupation of the west bank and gaza, and the displacement of millions of indigenous arabs -- then you&#039;re not getting anywhere. unfortunately, americans have no f&#039;n clue what has happened in palestine, and are ruled by the two parties of war, both of which support israeli apartheid and occupation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;zionism is a racist pile of colonial garbage. focus on that instead.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who cares if mccain is a flip flopper. the main problem is israeli occupation, and the racism inherent to zionism and the very project to displace the indigenous arab population of palestine. any discussion of the matter that doesn&#8217;t start from these premises is completely useless. this flip flop chatter is a gigantic distraction by both the Dems and the Repubs. if you don&#8217;t talk about the fundamentals &#8212; in particular, the ethnic cleansing of palestine in 1947-48, the forty year occupation of the west bank and gaza, and the displacement of millions of indigenous arabs &#8212; then you&#8217;re not getting anywhere. unfortunately, americans have no f&#8217;n clue what has happened in palestine, and are ruled by the two parties of war, both of which support israeli apartheid and occupation.</p><p>zionism is a racist pile of colonial garbage. focus on that instead.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Craig Hickman</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/mccain-caught-contradicting-himself-again-this-time-on-hamas/comment-page-1/#comment-14893</link> <dc:creator>Craig Hickman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1237#comment-14893</guid> <description>As per usual, McCain has lost his mind. He responded to this by stating that he wasn&#039;t referring to Hamas the terrorist organization but Hamas the elected representative of the Palestinian people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If his supporters can find a way to defend this absurd distinction without a difference, then you&#039;re losing your bearings too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As per usual, McCain has lost his mind. He responded to this by stating that he wasn&#8217;t referring to Hamas the terrorist organization but Hamas the elected representative of the Palestinian people.</p><p>If his supporters can find a way to defend this absurd distinction without a difference, then you&#8217;re losing your bearings too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: icebergslim</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/mccain-caught-contradicting-himself-again-this-time-on-hamas/comment-page-1/#comment-14884</link> <dc:creator>icebergslim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1237#comment-14884</guid> <description>someone write about 500K unregistered AA voters in Georgia.  GA is in play.  &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/500000_african_americans_in_ge.php&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here.&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone write about 500K unregistered AA voters in Georgia.  GA is in play. <a HREF="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/500000_african_americans_in_ge.php" REL="nofollow">Here.</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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