With more people like you stating your case “change” will come sooner rather than later.

We need more people like you speaking up and speaking out. Please keep it the good work, say it loud, “you’re white and you’re proud!”

*smirks*

Next time have the courage to sign your name to your garbage.

“Fine. If you want to see them as victims…” {sniff, sniff}

More of that * IF * bs. Congrats! You just graduated from the school of “I still don’t have an argument.”

Can one be against affirmative action and can one believe that Obama is the ‘affirmative action candidate’ without being considered racist?

Game breaking time… List the options. What “can” people with those sentiments be AND make sure you explain why they are against affirmative action AND why the race-code their opposition to it. You know, in light of Webb’s comments.

Yeah, that’s right. Explain all that scapegoating sh*t. Explain why affirmative action has a BLACK eye – i.e. all mf’s see is “black”, NOT WHITE women (and white men in certain cases).

Explain why all the favoritism towards [WHITE] elites gets overlooked by this demographic. Explain the much more vocalized “antipathy” towards “people who don’t look like them.” Explain all that “he’s a Muslim” sh*t.

Explain all that in a way that clearly shows how those race-coded views are held by non-racist.

The race-based, race-coded, racialized views are so obviously present (and openly stated) and your argument so blatantly bankrupt. Oh but list all the options. Tell us exactly why this demographic has issues with affirmative action and view Obama’s candidacy as a form of it and do that while explaining the curious quietness about WHITE elites not making the grade AND, more importantly, how the wealth gap impacts them and they do exactly what Obama says they do “cling” to and get exploited by those single-issue themes antithetical to their economic interest.

And while you’re explaining… Explain this:

“…15 percent of freshmen enrolled at America’s highly selective colleges are white teens who failed to meet their institutions’ minimum admissions standards.”
quote from Peter Schmidt author of Color and Money: How Rich White Kids Are Winning the War over College Affirmative Actionz

Simply… WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?? Where are the Appalachian brothers and sisters on that issue? And, frankly, I haven’t heard them on this either:

A spokesman for the Department
of Education’s Office for Civil Rights said it is investigating a
complaint filed by Jian Li, now a 17-year-old freshman at Yale
University. Despite racking up the maximum 2400 score on the SAT and
2390 — 10 points below the ceiling — on SAT2 subject tests in
physics, chemistry and calculus, Mr. Li was spurned by three Ivy
League universities, Stanford University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

The Office for Civil Rights initially rejected Mr. Li’s complaint due to “insufficient” evidence. Mr. Li appealed, citing a white high-school classmate admitted to Princeton despite lower test scores and grades.

There’s been concerns over Asian quotas for decades but, for some reason, our Appalachian brothers and sisters haven’t made any noise about it AND no matter how WHITE women benefit from affirmative action… Well, just look at the irony. Geraldine Ferraro is making all this noise in support of her fellow white woman.

Geraldine Ferraro!!!

S. seems really fixated on affirmative action. I am so sure this is the most pressing issue for these voters (and Pat “KKK” Buchannan”}.

My, aren’t you a snotty, condescending bastard; but, I mean that in a nice way. Lets NOT cut to the chase.

Dependency on the government, and ‘needing things’ from the government are not characteristics of these voters. You don’t really understand this demographic.

..as if “needing things” is some kind of genetic anomaly like an 11th finger. Government is the community. We ALL need the support of the community to varying degrees. What makes you think YOU understand that demographic? Are you suggesting they couldn’t possibly have anything in common with a black person.

Condescendingly hoping to placate them with minimum wage increases and insulting their service to their country by implying it is only a means by which to go to college is all part and parcel of the same ‘elitist’ attitude which caused Obama to make his ‘Bittergate’ statements.

You psychotic, predatory prick. To suggest that raising wages is insulting to the poor. As if offering college education is condescending. You elitist, self-seving sissy.

Is this Webb’s audition for VP? If his argument is deemed valid and his assertion that Obama can keep these voters from switching to McCain is accepted as credible, is he not the logical choice?

Will the party, ‘cut the racists loose’ or ‘cut the ill-informed, anti-affirmative action voters some slack’?

Obama/Webb ’08?

The principal value of a veep candidate, it seems to me, is that he shores up the weaknesses of whoever heads the ticket. In Obama’s case the candidate to do that most spectacularly is his Virginia Senate colleague, Jim Webb. Is Obama considered too dovish? Jim Webb was Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy and before that he fought in Vietnam. Are white workers the largest part of the Democratic coalition still suspicious of his bona fides? Jim Webb is the nearest thing in the Senate (and in today’s Democrat party) to the voice of America’s clue collar class. Has Jeremiah Wright put a question mark over Obama’s patriotism? Webb is the main upholder of the Jacksonian tradition in U.S. politics. He’s even written a history of the Scotch-Irish in America—that’s about as politically incorrect as you can get. In short Webb appeals to many of the blue-collar Reagan Democrats who would otherwise be bowled over by McCain who himself doesn’t need to sound patriotic since he’s the embodiment of patriotism.

What do you think? Or will HRO supporters demand a woman as VP?

If “one thinks Obama is an Affirmative action candidate” they don’t have to be racist but they sure are ill-informed!!! I won’t even get into how ..hmm I’m trying to be nice here. Oh forget it, I can’t do it w/o being nice so I will just say if this – if anyone thinks BHO magically propelled to the Democratic Presidential Nominee via his African American heritage …nevermind I can’t do it! Not today!

I haven’t heard Webb’s comments yet but whatever they are I don’t think the comments are revelant with the self described racist -people that said RACE was a factor and voted for HRC rather AGAINST BHO because of RACE only. (“Uhm I just can’t for’em. I don’t agree with’em” and can’t explain why!!)Whatever they feel about affirmative action (right or wrong) is irrelevant in this particular case.

S,

Are you picking on me b/c I’m a girl?! LOL!

You are sorely mistaken if you think I see them as victims.

The mere fact that they are white gives them an advantage that doesn’t even come close to Affirmative Action. They just haven taken advantage of it.

Fine. If you want to see them as victims, that’s what the dem party does best. Identifying and labeling voters by race, gender and class in order to offer them a piece of government pie, fostering dependency on government and keeping them asking for more.

Is Affirmative Action reform on the horizon?

You seem to want to a. modify Webb’s statemenet and, b.speak for the entire Appalachian population.

Sounds to me like he’s saying they have an issue with Affirmative Action because they are the “only” group who hasn’t benefitted from it.

I don’t need to understand this demographic, Webb however is claiming them as his own and spoke on their behalf and equated them as the tortured sibilings to African Americans, meaning they are poor and overlooked. Didn’t he quote them as saying something about being white and poor and forgotten?

Dependency on the government, and ‘needing things’ from the government are not characteristics of these voters. You don’t really understand this demographic.

Condescendingly hoping to placate them with minimum wage increases and insulting their service to their country by implying it is only a means by which to go to college is all part and parcel of the same ‘elitist’ attitude which caused Obama to make his ‘Bittergate’ statements.

Let’s cut to the chase here. Webb is saying that these voters take issue with Affirmative Action.

How can Obama appeal to these voters ‘in time’, as Webb asserts, when so many of his supporters are so willing to label them racist?

the silence is a sure sign a truth is being told. Clinton surrogates always get quiet when someone mentions Hillary not getting the black vote.

s,

Always trying to put a positive spin on your loser candidate, eh. McFlake is trying to court the black vote….gosh, Repubs are out of touch! They really believe there is anything they can say to mitigate Katrina, gas prices, the economy???

Face it, while you guys were plotting and spinning, time was busy passing you by! You cannot hold back the future.

If you’re against affirmative action because you think black people are getting a free ride and you’re against Obama because you think he’s getting the same free ride then you’re a racist.

Period.

Neither of those points are based in fact and instead are based on white people’s willingness to ignore facts to make themselves feel better. The assistance black people received from the government was meager, anybody who doesn’t see that is unwilling to deal with reality.