I don’t feel like I got the finger from him. But that’s just me.

I love this country as much as the next American, but refuse to get caught up in appeals to my pride in being an American at the expense of somebody’s else’s right to express their opinion, whether I agree with it or not — unless, you are representing me as the POTUS to another country and brings partisan political issues into an event that should not have been used for such arrogance.

He did it because he could and he was the one who wrapped himself in the flag and gave the rest of us the finger — now who’s the patriot.

Let’s not even riase to the level of “patriotism”-no American who loves this country and has a deep appreciation for not only its greatness, but its potential for greatness, should even WANT to descrate the flag.

Stop making stupid posts. If there is anybody’s patriotism that should be questioned in the media, day in and day out, it’s Bush’s. That was perfectly clear from what I said.

But, no. Bush is given a pass just because he wrapped some sh*t in a flag.

And, go ahead. Question my patriotism and watch me laugh at you for trying something that does not compute. Like my feelings would be hurt. Like your definition of patriotism has any resonance with me.

You would be a fool to think that I would be fazed and I don’t care about you being a prude.

Consult Frederick Douglass…

Come back when you deal with how that US flag, like the Confederate flag when it was fully recognized, flew over the institutions of slavery, Jim Crow and how it continues to fly over continued-persistent racial inequality.

Come back when you can explain how/why GULLIBLE people are to flag waving. You sound like you might be that type taking offense because I said BUSH could “wrap a turd up in a flag” and mindless Americans would get swept up in, truth be told, racialized nationalistic, blood thirsty “pride” at the expense of American lives and domestic economics.

And let’s get one thing straight… I’m not “pissed” because Obama is getting called out for… WHAT??

Notice the difference, D. I’ve criticized Bush for what he has done. You’re okay with Obama being questioned based one racist and ideological assumptions not based on an concrete, material thing Obama has done.

Bush big oil vs. Obama flag pin?

There is no comparison and it shows a lack emphasis on substance. But then, you’re all off into that symbolism stuff.

As an American we can take that flag, wrap it up and put it in the toliet IF we wished.

That’s one of the priviledges of being an American.

How unpatriotic of you to question someone else’s right to be American by being able to possess all the rights that implies UNLESS their are levels of Americanism which you and your ilk are privy to that the “others” of us are not?

Enlighten me, no pun intended of what and who is an American Patriot?

But don’t get pissed off because Obama is getting called on his.

Hell, I almost want to question your patriotism for suggesting that we “wrap a turd up in a flag” to make it seem more appealing. That’s a lot offensive.

Anon 8:31 gave herself away, IMO, when you talked about being “proud.”

She fully exposed herself in the nude with accepting as legitimate questions about Obama’s and Rev. Wright’s patriotism.

I mean, Bush has all these big oil ties, has overseen an economy that’s taking a nose dive while his big oil counterparts are making record profits and its Obama’s “patriotism” – i.e. commitment to the country – that’s questioned?

I would agree that it’s wrong to assume that a person’s seeking office is truly committed to country vs. self. That’s why I wonder how Bush’s patroitism isn’t questioned along with a boatload of politicians. But then again, Bush has shown just how gullible “many Americans” are.

Wrap a turd up in a flag and some will see it as priceless gold nugget.

WTF, do you really want to be an African-American Woman?

I mean a real African-American woman would tell you to stop hiding behind their skirts to make these crazy statements and stand up and Man Up if that is what you are or aspire to be. I mean, quit using African-American women to state your bull shit, one of them is going to whup your sorry ass!

Talk about being an African-American woman, to say that Black men are not true patriots, again WTF are you talking about? Black women have supported Black men for centuries and I don’t know one who utter such BS.

Try something else, maybe be yourself for a change: A scared, little white boy who sits at a keyboard spouting irrelevant statements trying to either interject nonsense into the discuss to deflect or misdirect, or just a plain old sorry ass, good for nothing, who has little to offer white boy nobody wants to be associated with who thinks George Bush is a great man! You pick you little ass!

Could one of you fellow travelers DETAIL where Bush specifically said anything about Obama?

I hit dog will holla’ though.

Wouldn’t it have been more logical for Obama to say “Bush you are correct. No one should appease terrorists. I agree with you.

However I do believe that we should take a strong position, dialogue with them – as I have stated before and turn military conflict into peace.”

Regardless of what Obama ACTUALLY says – you all will follow.

The US has nothing to lose by negotiating with Iran.

And who gives a sh*t about “stated goals” that you state someone else has. The US “stated goal” was to bring democracy to Iraq and we knew that was bs from jump. The issue is not what someone says but one they do.

The US has a trashy record of fvcked up actions no matter what the “stated goals” were. Say it with me: INNOCENT IRAQIS KILLED!!!!

The stated goals of Iran are to: Drive us out of the region

After seeing INNOCENT IRAQIS KILLED… exactly what is wrong with that goal? Answer: Not a damn thing when you accord them the same humanity your accord yourself.

If the USSR bombed the sh*t out of Mexico right on the US border in the 80’s… I REST MY CASE! If we didn’t have the bomb in the 80’s and the USSR did and bombed the sh*t out of a neighboring country… I REST MY CASE!!

That’s the reality. Israel is not destroyed and Israel can defend herself.

You are engaging in fearmongering with someone your type of bs will never resonate with.

Who the hell is Israel to me? Have you ever asked yourself that question? Do you think the kind of history of duplicity (say one thing but do another) in the US would ever

Do you think I’m fazed by some idea that Iran wants to drive us out the region AS IF WE HAVE SOME UNQUESTIONED RIGHT to be in the region on their border threatening them with the same kind of lies that put us in the region, in Iraq?

I don’t share your fvcked up concepts about Israel or the US and these presumed “right to exist” (read: to do whatever the hell we/they want).

China and Russia are reliable obstacles to our interests

To hell with “our” interests. They aren’t mine. But go ahead and take some time and define “our” interests…

“Sen. Obama could…”

You COULD do better than spout such speculative-assumptive bs. Nothing has been said about how “quickly” Obama would move to hold direct talks with Ahmadinejad. Nothing says Ahmadinejad stature will be enhanced save for in mind of people who make such idiotic, automatic assumptions.

History defies your lies. There is no evidence in all the Israel-Palestinian peace talks that meeting with Arafat, e.g., enhanced his stature. Arafat was demonized regardless.

So stop spouting foolishness. And, with the peace talks as a model, COMMON SENSE says that the reputation of those engaged in talks are colored by how they perform/respond IN THE TALKS.

What are you afraid of? Ahmadinejad not fitting the boogey man stereotype?

Sorry, I don’t do inexplicable, unfounded FEAR.

We have nothing to lose and there is nothing you can say to me about negotiations when what happened with N. Korea???

What happened with the USSR? The had stockpiles of nukes. And their “state goals” were what, S?

You might as well come out with it and stop beating around the bush.

Somebody should give old Georgie a mirror, because evidently he can’t remember his own families history or he is such a sociopath that he thinks nobody will remember that it was his grandfather who made his fortune appeasing and supporting the Nazis and was involved in a plot to overthrow the government of FDR.
Talk about Nazi sympathizer! This man is so stupid that he did not realize that by bringing this up he was opening up a can of worms that the Republican Party did not want many people to discuss.

Yes, your idiot leader just handed the Democrats an issue that the court jester George Bush cannot run from.

Oh by the way, when John McCain says Hamas likes Obama and that he should not talk to our enemies, he forgot he said that we should two years ago, and most currently if he and Bush believes that anybody talking to our enemies are appeasers, shouldn’t he fire his own secretaries of state and defense, since the sec of defense stated YESTERDAY that we should be talking to Iran, and isn’t that what General Patreus did white the Sunnis to get them to stop ambushing our troops so Bush could claim that his surge was working.

This man doesn’t even know what his own foreign policy is, yet has the nerve to call someone else a Nazi sympathizer forgetting about his family, forgetting his own cabinet members, and forgetting that he was supposed to representing the US of America not the Republican Party!

Thanks to all the imbeciles who voted for this piece of shit!

1. Not the best situation for Pres. Bush to make that comment.

2. It does raise a legitimate question on Obama’s foreign policy/credentials.

Iran has nothing to gain by negotiating with the US.

The stated goals of Iran are to: Drive us out of the region, expand their power and influence by acquiring nuclear weapons and destroy Israel. This is not fearmongering…it is reality.

Europe, China and Russia cannot agree to ‘tougher’ sanctions.
The UN is feckless and corrupt as an arbiter of sanctions or enforcer of resolutions: Iran rearms Hezbollah in Lebanon via Syria in blatant defiance of a UN Resolution with no consequence and please recall the Oil-for-Food fiasco.

What leverage can Obama possibly provide?

He is promising to pull out of Iraq upon his election, will cede influence and deterrence via a strong military presence providing security for a fledgling democracy in Iraq to Iran.

This will no doubt be played as a defeat for the US and a testimony to our lack of political will.

China and Russia are reliable obstacles to our interests and it can be argued that they benefit from a stronger Iran.

U.S. foreign-policy doctrine has traditionally held that American presidents should be discerning in where and when to use the prestige of their office.

During U.S. engagements with the Soviet Union and China, summits by presidents Reagan and Nixon were withheld to the end of the diplomatic process rather than occurring at the start. U.S. leaders have been averse to photo opportunities with the likes of Cuba’s Fidel Castro, fearing it could provide them a propaganda tool.

Sen. Obama could strengthen Ahmadinejad if as U.S. president he moves too quickly to hold direct talks with Tehran’s leader. Ahmadinejad is facing presidential elections in 2009 and could use a summit with Sen. Obama as proof of his enhanced stature. Ahmadinejad also could seek to sell to his people that talks with Washington were a direct result of his hard-line stance.