Comments on: The Attacks on Howard Dean http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:37:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: The Black Snobhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8927 The Black Snob Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:37:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8927 I didn't really get all the Dean bashing either. I thought he did a great job getting Democrats on the state-level elected. He chose not to neglect areas that have a lot of conservative votes, but could be swung with the right candidate. The way to winning the White House has to start from the bottom up. The Democrats need that strong foundation. The Republicans traditionally have been excellent when it comes to grassroots organization, so it was good to see Dean apply his failed presidential campaign's philosophy to reap larger rewards.<br/><br/>So I think he's doing great. I care about results. People wanted to dismiss Dean's ideas when he didn't win, but his model has obviously worked great for Obama, especially since the Netroots were born out of that Dean campaign. I didn’t really get all the Dean bashing either. I thought he did a great job getting Democrats on the state-level elected. He chose not to neglect areas that have a lot of conservative votes, but could be swung with the right candidate. The way to winning the White House has to start from the bottom up. The Democrats need that strong foundation. The Republicans traditionally have been excellent when it comes to grassroots organization, so it was good to see Dean apply his failed presidential campaign’s philosophy to reap larger rewards.

So I think he’s doing great. I care about results. People wanted to dismiss Dean’s ideas when he didn’t win, but his model has obviously worked great for Obama, especially since the Netroots were born out of that Dean campaign.

]]> By: The Christian Progressive Liberalhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8923 The Christian Progressive Liberal Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:56:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8923 You know Carville had lost his dang mind when, in the midst of the Democrats retaking Congress in 2006, based on that 50-state strategy, that he would come out on TV and say not only was Dean a failure as DNC chair, he should be replaced by Harold Ford, Jr., aka the Dark Sith.<br/><br/>The more Dean's populist strategies are successful, the more threatened the establishment is becoming. Even Rahm Emmanuel has toned down his schtick in the face of his own District telling him to get with the Dean program or be voted out in 2008.<br/><br/>You can't make this stuff up. You know Carville had lost his dang mind when, in the midst of the Democrats retaking Congress in 2006, based on that 50-state strategy, that he would come out on TV and say not only was Dean a failure as DNC chair, he should be replaced by Harold Ford, Jr., aka the Dark Sith.

The more Dean’s populist strategies are successful, the more threatened the establishment is becoming. Even Rahm Emmanuel has toned down his schtick in the face of his own District telling him to get with the Dean program or be voted out in 2008.

You can’t make this stuff up.

]]> By: DWShttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8894 DWS Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:01:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8894 Great article...it really is bigger than Obama. It is a movement and the powers that be are scared. <br/><br/>Clearly, they did not anticipate this. I know I didn't but it is magnificent. Great article…it really is bigger than Obama. It is a movement and the powers that be are scared.

Clearly, they did not anticipate this. I know I didn’t but it is magnificent.

]]> By: Craig Hickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8870 Craig Hickman Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:34:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8870 smitty,<br/><br/>An employee of a pharmeceutical company who donates to Obama's campaign can have his/her donation characterized as coming from a pharmaceutical company. But that employee's individual donation doesn't come from a lobbyist or a PAC.<br/><br/>It's easy for someone to scour a list of Obama's donors and come up with totals of those who come from the industries you list, but it's misleading to characterize them as they've been characterized by some. smitty,

An employee of a pharmeceutical company who donates to Obama’s campaign can have his/her donation characterized as coming from a pharmaceutical company. But that employee’s individual donation doesn’t come from a lobbyist or a PAC.

It’s easy for someone to scour a list of Obama’s donors and come up with totals of those who come from the industries you list, but it’s misleading to characterize them as they’ve been characterized by some.

]]> By: Smittyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8868 Smitty Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:20:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8868 Great post, and I agree with the bottom up politics point. But isn't Obama stretching the truth when he talks about not taking money from lobbyists & PACs etc. I thought he was getting almost as much from pharmaceuticals, oil, Wall St and son as Clinton. <br/><br/>Not that there's anything wrong with that, just, you know, let's not delude ourselves. Great post, and I agree with the bottom up politics point. But isn’t Obama stretching the truth when he talks about not taking money from lobbyists & PACs etc. I thought he was getting almost as much from pharmaceuticals, oil, Wall St and son as Clinton.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, just, you know, let’s not delude ourselves.

]]> By: rikyrahhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8861 rikyrah Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:27:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8861 tiffany,<br/><br/>I agree with Craig. I don't think anyone is more hardline than I am, and yeah, I thought they should just go ' Phuck 'Em' to MI and FL...but, we have to be practical. <br/><br/>Separating Florida from Michigan is genius. <br/><br/>Florida IS a battleground state.<br/><br/>Michigan is NOT. <br/><br/>Seating them - the devil is in the details as to HOW...no way do I believe Hillpatine walks away with half the delegates AND the popular vote. <br/><br/>But, settling this stops extending the primary season, and chops off another avenue for Hillpatine. <br/><br/>MI is a whole other animal, because nobody can be blamed there - THEY WERE ALL DEMOCRATS WHO DID THIS. tiffany,

I agree with Craig. I don’t think anyone is more hardline than I am, and yeah, I thought they should just go ‘ Phuck ‘Em’ to MI and FL…but, we have to be practical.

Separating Florida from Michigan is genius.

Florida IS a battleground state.

Michigan is NOT.

Seating them – the devil is in the details as to HOW…no way do I believe Hillpatine walks away with half the delegates AND the popular vote.

But, settling this stops extending the primary season, and chops off another avenue for Hillpatine.

MI is a whole other animal, because nobody can be blamed there – THEY WERE ALL DEMOCRATS WHO DID THIS.

]]> By: Tiffanyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8858 Tiffany Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:28:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8858 @Craig:<br/><br/>I still think he's caving. FL and MI knew they would be punished for moving their primaries, and they did it anyway. <br/><br/>The only way for this to be fair now is to split the delegates evenly, which changes nothing. To my knowledge, splitting the delegates won't push either candidate over the top, so why bother? If people in FL and MI feel disenfranchised, they need to elect better state party leaders. @Craig:

I still think he’s caving. FL and MI knew they would be punished for moving their primaries, and they did it anyway.

The only way for this to be fair now is to split the delegates evenly, which changes nothing. To my knowledge, splitting the delegates won’t push either candidate over the top, so why bother? If people in FL and MI feel disenfranchised, they need to elect better state party leaders.

]]> By: TruthSeekerhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8839 TruthSeeker Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:14:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8839 Jack Cafferty just had a piece on how Obama's lowered Hillary's lead to 9 points. Cafferty also pointed out Obama won Texas, negating the Clinton big state argument. Jack Cafferty just had a piece on how Obama’s lowered Hillary’s lead to 9 points. Cafferty also pointed out Obama won Texas, negating the Clinton big state argument.

]]> By: Craig Hickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8836 Craig Hickman Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:44:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8836 Tiffany, that's not a cave-in. Obama wants to seat the delegations from both states as well. In a way that won't influence the outcome of the election, though. <br/><br/>Clinton only wants a revote in FL and MI so she can legitimately claim victory (IF she gets it) and because those states have enough delegates for her to get back in the delegate race. She's not interested in a compromise where there will be no re-vote or if the delegates are sat in a way that doesn't reflect the beauty contest elections.<br/><br/>Make no mistake: She's not going to get what she wants. Not on the Michigan and Florida delegations anyway. Tiffany, that’s not a cave-in. Obama wants to seat the delegations from both states as well. In a way that won’t influence the outcome of the election, though.

Clinton only wants a revote in FL and MI so she can legitimately claim victory (IF she gets it) and because those states have enough delegates for her to get back in the delegate race. She’s not interested in a compromise where there will be no re-vote or if the delegates are sat in a way that doesn’t reflect the beauty contest elections.

Make no mistake: She’s not going to get what she wants. Not on the Michigan and Florida delegations anyway.

]]> By: Tiffanyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8832 Tiffany Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:49:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8832 I just read Dean has caved and said he is "<a HREF="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5igrYLRrHG3P6lIbs2E7pSH0bxhvgD8VPQ6S80" REL="nofollow">committed to seating the FL delegates</a>." I just read Dean has caved and said he is “committed to seating the FL delegates.”

]]> By: justice58http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8831 justice58 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:44:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8831 Did any of you hear about Barack having a confrontation on the Campaign trail with some idiot wanting a picture taken with him & the Secret Service had to get involved?<br/><br/>Barack should be very cautious! It could always be a set-up to distract! Did any of you hear about Barack having a confrontation on the Campaign trail with some idiot wanting a picture taken with him & the Secret Service had to get involved?

Barack should be very cautious! It could always be a set-up to distract!

]]> By: Craig Hickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8829 Craig Hickman Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:31:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8829 And that is why so many people are joining the party to take him down.<br/><br/>He's dangerous. <br/><br/>Not because he's Black, which is what racist race baiters want you to believe, but because he's threatening to turn politics upside down.<br/><br/>Why do you think the MSM is in Hillary Rodham Nixon's back pocket?<br/><br/>Too many power brokers threaten to see their power diminish in an Obama presidency.<br/><br/>Obama told an audience that he would consider giving Al Gore a prominent position in his cabinet, if not a higher position.<br/><br/>I guess that would be VP. And that is why so many people are joining the party to take him down.

He’s dangerous.

Not because he’s Black, which is what racist race baiters want you to believe, but because he’s threatening to turn politics upside down.

Why do you think the MSM is in Hillary Rodham Nixon’s back pocket?

Too many power brokers threaten to see their power diminish in an Obama presidency.

Obama told an audience that he would consider giving Al Gore a prominent position in his cabinet, if not a higher position.

I guess that would be VP.

]]> By: TruthSeekerhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8823 TruthSeeker Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:58:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8823 I've been arguing with whackos on YouTube who are thinking armed revolution is the only way to re-take government. They don't get it that the govt. would crush them in a hot second. The time for a feasible armed revolution has long passed. They don't get it, that this is it right here! Barack is the revolution..just not armed. I hope people start to understand what is at stake. I hope they understand they are being distracted by small matters like gender and race, when the real struggle is over freedom and power. I hope they get it before it's too late. I’ve been arguing with whackos on YouTube who are thinking armed revolution is the only way to re-take government. They don’t get it that the govt. would crush them in a hot second. The time for a feasible armed revolution has long passed. They don’t get it, that this is it right here! Barack is the revolution..just not armed. I hope people start to understand what is at stake. I hope they understand they are being distracted by small matters like gender and race, when the real struggle is over freedom and power. I hope they get it before it’s too late.

]]> By: TruthSeekerhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/the-attacks-on-howard-dean/comment-page-1/#comment-8822 TruthSeeker Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:50:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1041#comment-8822 Great article. I wonder if the Clinton supporters understand this? They are thinking small, that it's about having a woman vs having an African American. Do they understand that in supporting Clinton, they are supporting a political philosophy that goes against empowering the people. This is a revolution within the Democratic party. I worry for Barack, there are so many people who stand to lose personally if he wins. Great article. I wonder if the Clinton supporters understand this? They are thinking small, that it’s about having a woman vs having an African American. Do they understand that in supporting Clinton, they are supporting a political philosophy that goes against empowering the people. This is a revolution within the Democratic party. I worry for Barack, there are so many people who stand to lose personally if he wins.

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