<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Open Thread- What&#8217;s Up?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:36:05 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-3/#comment-9677</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9677</guid> <description>http://prorev.com/2008/03/huge-corrupt-fundraiser-may-haunt.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;HUGE CORRUPT FUNDRAISER MAY HAUNT CLINTON YET&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;ART MOORE, WORLDNET DAILY - Bill Clinton, according to the complaint, promised to promote Paul&#039;s Internet entertainment company, Stan Lee Media, in exchange for stock, cash options and massive contributions to his wife&#039;s 2000 Senate campaign. Paul contends he was directed by the Clintons and Democratic Party leaders to produce, pay for and then join them in lying about footing the bill for a Hollywood gala and fundraiser.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Clintons&#039; legal counsel has denied the former president made any deal with Paul. But Paul attorney Colette Wilson told WND there are witnesses who say it was common knowledge at Stan Lee Media that Bill Clinton was preparing to be a rainmaker for the company after he left office.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul claims former Vice President Al Gore, former Democratic Party chairman Ed Rendell and Clinton presidential campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe also are among the people who can confirm Paul engaged in the deal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[Campaign finance director David] Rosen was acquitted in 2005 for filing false campaign reports that later were charged by the FEC to treasurer Andrew Grossman, who accepted responsibility in a conciliation agreement that fined the campaign $35,000. Paul points out the Rosen trial established his contention that he personally gave more than $1.2 million to Clinton&#039;s campaign and that his contributions intentionally were hidden from the public and the Federal Election Commission.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rosen, accused of concealing Paul&#039;s in-kind contribution of more than $1 million, was acquitted, but Paul contends the Clinton staffer was a scapegoat.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;WALL STREET JOURNAL, 2007 - As Sen. Hillary Clinton grapples with the burgeoning scandal surrounding disgraced fund-raiser Norman Hsu, she can&#039;t quite shake a fund-raising controversy from her 2000 Senate campaign. Mrs. Clinton&#039;s entanglement with a thrice-convicted felon named Peter Paul is proof of how long campaign-finance problems can haunt a public official. Mr. Paul became a problem for Mrs. Clinton when his criminal past became public shortly after he helped organize and finance a gala Hollywood fund-raiser for her in August 2000.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;AND THERE&#039;S MORE. . . .&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;WE&#039;VE reported much of this before, as well as concerning a video that shows Hillary Clinton acting as though she knew exactly what Peter Paul was up to.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But there&#039;s another curious aspect to the story: why didn&#039;t Bush appointed prosecutors press the caser harder?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here you have a huge potential case against the then leading Democratic candidate and the Bush Justice Department goes after a minor figure, blows the case and the partly admitted offense is settled for a puny amount.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The two most logical explanations for such behavior in politics is a deal or blackmail. Whether either was involved in this case, we don&#039;t know but the pattern is curious to say the least.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The chief of the Public Integrity Section of the Justice Department was a man named Noel Hillman. Here are some interesting facts about him:&lt;br/&gt;there&#039;s much more...How can anyone vote for Clinton?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.paulvclinton.com/Latest</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://prorev.com/2008/03/huge-corrupt-fundraiser-may-haunt.html" rel="nofollow">http://prorev.com/2008/03/huge-corrupt-fundraiser-may-haunt.html</a></p><p>HUGE CORRUPT FUNDRAISER MAY HAUNT CLINTON YET</p><p>ART MOORE, WORLDNET DAILY &#8211; Bill Clinton, according to the complaint, promised to promote Paul&#8217;s Internet entertainment company, Stan Lee Media, in exchange for stock, cash options and massive contributions to his wife&#8217;s 2000 Senate campaign. Paul contends he was directed by the Clintons and Democratic Party leaders to produce, pay for and then join them in lying about footing the bill for a Hollywood gala and fundraiser.</p><p>The Clintons&#8217; legal counsel has denied the former president made any deal with Paul. But Paul attorney Colette Wilson told WND there are witnesses who say it was common knowledge at Stan Lee Media that Bill Clinton was preparing to be a rainmaker for the company after he left office.</p><p>Paul claims former Vice President Al Gore, former Democratic Party chairman Ed Rendell and Clinton presidential campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe also are among the people who can confirm Paul engaged in the deal.</p><p>[Campaign finance director David] Rosen was acquitted in 2005 for filing false campaign reports that later were charged by the FEC to treasurer Andrew Grossman, who accepted responsibility in a conciliation agreement that fined the campaign $35,000. Paul points out the Rosen trial established his contention that he personally gave more than $1.2 million to Clinton&#8217;s campaign and that his contributions intentionally were hidden from the public and the Federal Election Commission.</p><p>Rosen, accused of concealing Paul&#8217;s in-kind contribution of more than $1 million, was acquitted, but Paul contends the Clinton staffer was a scapegoat.</p><p>WALL STREET JOURNAL, 2007 &#8211; As Sen. Hillary Clinton grapples with the burgeoning scandal surrounding disgraced fund-raiser Norman Hsu, she can&#8217;t quite shake a fund-raising controversy from her 2000 Senate campaign. Mrs. Clinton&#8217;s entanglement with a thrice-convicted felon named Peter Paul is proof of how long campaign-finance problems can haunt a public official. Mr. Paul became a problem for Mrs. Clinton when his criminal past became public shortly after he helped organize and finance a gala Hollywood fund-raiser for her in August 2000.</p><p>AND THERE&#8217;S MORE. . . .</p><p>WE&#8217;VE reported much of this before, as well as concerning a video that shows Hillary Clinton acting as though she knew exactly what Peter Paul was up to.</p><p>But there&#8217;s another curious aspect to the story: why didn&#8217;t Bush appointed prosecutors press the caser harder?</p><p>Here you have a huge potential case against the then leading Democratic candidate and the Bush Justice Department goes after a minor figure, blows the case and the partly admitted offense is settled for a puny amount.</p><p>The two most logical explanations for such behavior in politics is a deal or blackmail. Whether either was involved in this case, we don&#8217;t know but the pattern is curious to say the least.</p><p>The chief of the Public Integrity Section of the Justice Department was a man named Noel Hillman. Here are some interesting facts about him:<br />there&#8217;s much more&#8230;How can anyone vote for Clinton?</p><p><a href="http://www.paulvclinton.com/Latest" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulvclinton.com/Latest</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-3/#comment-9674</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9674</guid> <description>Baratunde, my open comment is entitled Redefinition of the Welfare Queen. If you watch MSM (&amp; I know you do) you will have seen a story about a Mormon cult that has recently been disbanned by the authorities here in TX for child abuse and possibly poligamy. Even while the MSM has portrayed them as the monsters &amp; weirdos that they are, they attempt to blame it on the now incarcerated cult leader, Jeffs. Even while a man might have multiple wives, the state only recognizes one of them as his legal wife. The others are considered to be single mothers with dependants, and a majority of them are welfare and food stamp recipients. A government official in AZ stated that upward of 65% of them are aid recipients. The same holds true for people who have those fertility treatments and have all those multiples(4-6 babies at a time). It&#039;s deep how they enabled that group to perpetuate their perversion. They need to bow down to Pat Buchanan. Where is their gratitude?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baratunde, my open comment is entitled Redefinition of the Welfare Queen. If you watch MSM (&#038; I know you do) you will have seen a story about a Mormon cult that has recently been disbanned by the authorities here in TX for child abuse and possibly poligamy. Even while the MSM has portrayed them as the monsters &#038; weirdos that they are, they attempt to blame it on the now incarcerated cult leader, Jeffs. Even while a man might have multiple wives, the state only recognizes one of them as his legal wife. The others are considered to be single mothers with dependants, and a majority of them are welfare and food stamp recipients. A government official in AZ stated that upward of 65% of them are aid recipients. The same holds true for people who have those fertility treatments and have all those multiples(4-6 babies at a time). It&#8217;s deep how they enabled that group to perpetuate their perversion. They need to bow down to Pat Buchanan. Where is their gratitude?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ms.Martin</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-3/#comment-9632</link> <dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9632</guid> <description>Truthseeker -&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He did!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthseeker -</p><p>He did!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TruthSeeker</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-3/#comment-9520</link> <dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9520</guid> <description>He should turn that around and ask if whites would have been poor and struggling without the slave labour that founded and built America or the assistance of Native Indians.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should turn that around and ask if whites would have been poor and struggling without the slave labour that founded and built America or the assistance of Native Indians.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ms.Martin</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9515</link> <dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:11:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9515</guid> <description>I&#039;m watching the David Wilson story on MSNBC and David Wilson (the descendant of slaveowners) asked David Wilson (the descendant of slaves)if he thought that blacks were better off in America than they would have been in Africa where they would have been poor and diseased.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve heard this statement made several times during the last few months.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Unbelievable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do these people really believe that they did blacks a favor by forcing our ancestors to live in a foreign land where they didn&#039;t not speak the language, were worked like and treated as animals; lynched, beaten, forced to remain in the South to help build their wealth for less than they could have been paid in a better place and on and on and on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m watching the David Wilson story on MSNBC and David Wilson (the descendant of slaveowners) asked David Wilson (the descendant of slaves)if he thought that blacks were better off in America than they would have been in Africa where they would have been poor and diseased.</p><p>I&#8217;ve heard this statement made several times during the last few months.</p><p>Unbelievable.</p><p>Do these people really believe that they did blacks a favor by forcing our ancestors to live in a foreign land where they didn&#8217;t not speak the language, were worked like and treated as animals; lynched, beaten, forced to remain in the South to help build their wealth for less than they could have been paid in a better place and on and on and on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9511</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9511</guid> <description>&quot;And you can go into places where you think I&#039;d be very strong and people will just be skeptical.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What? Could Obama be bewildered and frustrated that some people &#039;are just not that into&#039; him? If they don&#039;t get him,  it must be because they are just gun-toting, bible-thumping, bigots.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And you can go into places where you think I&#8217;d be very strong and people will just be skeptical.&#8221;</p><p>What? Could Obama be bewildered and frustrated that some people &#8216;are just not that into&#8217; him? If they don&#8217;t get him,  it must be because they are just gun-toting, bible-thumping, bigots.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9507</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9507</guid> <description>The Great Leader of the people, I think, doesn’t think much of the people.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Great Leader of the people, I think, doesn’t think much of the people.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9506</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9506</guid> <description>Perhaps when Obama returns to Pennsylvania to ask for votes, he will charm the locals with tales of the aging Bay Area hippies who just do not understand how US trade policy is destroying the our manufacturing base and the lives of upstanding Americans in the heartland who bowl better than he does.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps when Obama returns to Pennsylvania to ask for votes, he will charm the locals with tales of the aging Bay Area hippies who just do not understand how US trade policy is destroying the our manufacturing base and the lives of upstanding Americans in the heartland who bowl better than he does.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ms.Martin</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9504</link> <dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9504</guid> <description>Anon&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;This remark is offensive and condescending on so many levels. The sheer breadth of the sterotype, if a white politician had made a similar sweeping caricature of blacks&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You keep trying to make this an argument about race.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obama did not make a caricature of whites - he was talking about people and he was telling the truth.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Stop it with the gotcha bullshit!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon</p><p>&#8220;This remark is offensive and condescending on so many levels. The sheer breadth of the sterotype, if a white politician had made a similar sweeping caricature of blacks&#8221;</p><p>You keep trying to make this an argument about race.</p><p>Obama did not make a caricature of whites &#8211; he was talking about people and he was telling the truth.</p><p>Stop it with the gotcha bullshit!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ms.Martin</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9502</link> <dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9502</guid> <description>What&#039;s the stereotype - I&#039;m unemployed, bitter about it and praying everyday that God sends me a job.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the stereotype &#8211; I&#8217;m unemployed, bitter about it and praying everyday that God sends me a job.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9497</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9497</guid> <description>ms. martin,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This remark is offensive and condescending on so many levels. The sheer breadth of the sterotype, if a white politician had made a similar sweeping caricature of blacks, would send Team Obama screaming from the rooftops.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You have just spent that last couple of hours admonishing a McCain supporter as racist for comparing Obama to Tiger Woods. Yet you are blind to the offense in these remarks. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Exactly how much Obama-aid did you drink?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms. martin,</p><p>This remark is offensive and condescending on so many levels. The sheer breadth of the sterotype, if a white politician had made a similar sweeping caricature of blacks, would send Team Obama screaming from the rooftops.</p><p>You have just spent that last couple of hours admonishing a McCain supporter as racist for comparing Obama to Tiger Woods. Yet you are blind to the offense in these remarks.</p><p>Exactly how much Obama-aid did you drink?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ms.Martin</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9490</link> <dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9490</guid> <description>Anon-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s not an idiotic remark, it&#039;s the truth.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why is it that people like you can&#039;t hear the truth.  Why must the untidy truth be swept under a rug rather than dealt with?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry that the real world is interfering with your cush little existence.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon-</p><p>That&#8217;s not an idiotic remark, it&#8217;s the truth.</p><p>Why is it that people like you can&#8217;t hear the truth.  Why must the untidy truth be swept under a rug rather than dealt with?</p><p>Sorry that the real world is interfering with your cush little existence.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9488</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9488</guid> <description>The man made an idiotic remark and it deserves to be picked apart.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;   &quot;You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man made an idiotic remark and it deserves to be picked apart.</p><p> &#8220;You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.</p><p> And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Craig Hickman</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9483</link> <dc:creator>Craig Hickman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9483</guid> <description>The McCain introducer thought he was being slick when he was really just being idiotic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He could simply have said &quot;You can have Barack Obama...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That would have been less loaded. But he had a point to make and calling Barack Obama by his own name wouldn&#039;t have made it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You see he also then went on to say that John McCain was the real audacity of hope for what he endured in Vietnam, which is to suggest that Obama is not.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So if we want to extrapolate further, he was making the point that Obama is not real and is therefore interchangeable with any other mixed-race Black man in the minds of Americans.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You may argue the statement isn&#039;t racist it the least, you may argue that it&#039;s the height of attitudinal racism. Only one of those arguments is valid from where I sit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps next time he&#039;ll say that Tiger Woods doesn&#039;t steal cars but he should be taken out into an alley and lynched anyway.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just saying.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The man made an idiotic remark and it deserves to be picked apart.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The McCain introducer thought he was being slick when he was really just being idiotic.</p><p>He could simply have said &#8220;You can have Barack Obama&#8230;&#8221;</p><p>That would have been less loaded. But he had a point to make and calling Barack Obama by his own name wouldn&#8217;t have made it.</p><p>You see he also then went on to say that John McCain was the real audacity of hope for what he endured in Vietnam, which is to suggest that Obama is not.</p><p>So if we want to extrapolate further, he was making the point that Obama is not real and is therefore interchangeable with any other mixed-race Black man in the minds of Americans.</p><p>You may argue the statement isn&#8217;t racist it the least, you may argue that it&#8217;s the height of attitudinal racism. Only one of those arguments is valid from where I sit.</p><p>Perhaps next time he&#8217;ll say that Tiger Woods doesn&#8217;t steal cars but he should be taken out into an alley and lynched anyway.</p><p>Just saying.</p><p>The man made an idiotic remark and it deserves to be picked apart.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Craig Hickman</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9482</link> <dc:creator>Craig Hickman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9482</guid> <description>There are Black people who will vote for Obama simply because he&#039;s Black.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are women who will vote for Mrs. Nixon because she&#039;s a woman.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are white people who will vote for her just because she&#039;s white.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are white people who will vote for John McCain simply because he&#039;s white. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are military people who will vote for John McCain simply because he&#039;s a war hero.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;People can vote for candidates for whatever reason they want: emotional, intellectual, superficial, identity-based reasons, etc. and they can vote AGAINST people for the very same reasons.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t see what the big deal is.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are Black people who will vote for Obama simply because he&#8217;s Black.</p><p>So what.</p><p>There are women who will vote for Mrs. Nixon because she&#8217;s a woman.</p><p>So what.</p><p>There are white people who will vote for her just because she&#8217;s white.</p><p>So what.</p><p>There are white people who will vote for John McCain simply because he&#8217;s white.</p><p>So what.</p><p>There are military people who will vote for John McCain simply because he&#8217;s a war hero.</p><p>So what.</p><p>People can vote for candidates for whatever reason they want: emotional, intellectual, superficial, identity-based reasons, etc. and they can vote AGAINST people for the very same reasons.</p><p>I don&#8217;t see what the big deal is.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ms.Martin</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9479</link> <dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9479</guid> <description>Anon 1:24 -&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wish things didn&#039;t have to viewed through a prism of race, however, we have not trascended race and it still matters to many - both sides.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It has been proven that race has been an effecive political tool to sway voters. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;If the tables were turned, and two whites of extreme talent and success were compared, would we even be having this discussion?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No we wouldn&#039;t because race couldn&#039;t be an issue where race is the same.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 1:24 -</p><p>I wish things didn&#8217;t have to viewed through a prism of race, however, we have not trascended race and it still matters to many &#8211; both sides.</p><p>It has been proven that race has been an effecive political tool to sway voters.</p><p>&#8220;If the tables were turned, and two whites of extreme talent and success were compared, would we even be having this discussion?&#8221;</p><p>No we wouldn&#8217;t because race couldn&#8217;t be an issue where race is the same.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ms.Martin</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9477</link> <dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9477</guid> <description>Anon 1:26&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;You can keep your phenom, celebrity...We&#039;ll take experience.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If would have been acceptable to me and left a lot less to the imagination.  Maybe the presenter should have followed up his comments with an explanation - or, at least, explained them once it became a controversy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You seem to be a reasonable person so I assume you can understand that in an election where race has become a significant issue, the comments were irresponsible and could be deemed an attempt to interject race.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 1:26</p><p>&#8220;You can keep your phenom, celebrity&#8230;We&#8217;ll take experience.&#8221;</p><p>If would have been acceptable to me and left a lot less to the imagination.  Maybe the presenter should have followed up his comments with an explanation &#8211; or, at least, explained them once it became a controversy.</p><p>You seem to be a reasonable person so I assume you can understand that in an election where race has become a significant issue, the comments were irresponsible and could be deemed an attempt to interject race.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9472</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9472</guid> <description>What if the comment had been,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;You can keep your phenom, celebrity...We&#039;ll take experience.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if the comment had been,</p><p>&#8220;You can keep your phenom, celebrity&#8230;We&#8217;ll take experience.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9471</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9471</guid> <description>ms martin,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Again, I disagree. Everything should not be view through the prism of race.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the tables were turned, and two whites of extreme talent and success were compared, would we even be having this discussion?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your comment, &#039;the Tiger Obama comparison was meant to invoke feelings of racism&#039; is pure conjecture and projection.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms martin,</p><p>Again, I disagree. Everything should not be view through the prism of race.</p><p>If the tables were turned, and two whites of extreme talent and success were compared, would we even be having this discussion?</p><p>Your comment, &#8216;the Tiger Obama comparison was meant to invoke feelings of racism&#8217; is pure conjecture and projection.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ms.Martin</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/open-thread-whats-up/comment-page-2/#comment-9465</link> <dc:creator>Ms.Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=1075#comment-9465</guid> <description>&quot;I can admire people of all races, including both Obama and Woods for what they have accomplished, yet not vote for Obama. Does this make me racist? I say, of course not.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course not, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that the Tiger Obama comparison was meant to invoke feelings of racism.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can admire people of all races, including both Obama and Woods for what they have accomplished, yet not vote for Obama. Does this make me racist? I say, of course not.&#8221;</p><p>Of course not, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the Tiger Obama comparison was meant to invoke feelings of racism.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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