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	<title>Comments on: Oh Yeah, Tavis Quit Tom Joyner &#8211; Oh, Oh, Oh!</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Davis-Dallas Progress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Davis-Dallas Progress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I used to look up to this guy in terms of being a great media person.  I can&#039;t believe he didn&#039;t grow thicker skin and man up for his decision.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the end, he turned out to be a wimp.  At least we still have Roland Martin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I used to look up to this guy in terms of being a great media person.  I can&#8217;t believe he didn&#8217;t grow thicker skin and man up for his decision.</p>
<p>In the end, he turned out to be a wimp.  At least we still have Roland Martin.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tavis is tiresome.  He&#039;s a fatuous gasbag who is so clearly in love with himself that he cannot stand to have anyone--ANYONE--disagree with him.  I was listening to the TJMS Friday, and Joyner said that, to him, the resignation was immediate; this &quot;on the show til June&quot; business is pretty new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tavis is tiresome.  He&#8217;s a fatuous gasbag who is so clearly in love with himself that he cannot stand to have anyone&#8211;ANYONE&#8211;disagree with him.  I was listening to the TJMS Friday, and Joyner said that, to him, the resignation was immediate; this &#8220;on the show til June&#8221; business is pretty new.</p>
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		<title>By: Nita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tavis should not have quit.  Massa and Missus Clinton are not worth all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tavis should not have quit.  Massa and Missus Clinton are not worth all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: VV</title>
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		<dc:creator>VV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* I meant to say when Gates appeared on Tavis&#039; PBS show.  He also has his own radio show on PRI but I&#039;m guessing no one listens to it.  The caliber of his guests (the same 5 anonymous academics) on his radio show tell me he should have stuck it out (and not quit like at bitch!) with NPR back in the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* I meant to say when Gates appeared on Tavis&#8217; PBS show.  He also has his own radio show on PRI but I&#8217;m guessing no one listens to it.  The caliber of his guests (the same 5 anonymous academics) on his radio show tell me he should have stuck it out (and not quit like at bitch!) with NPR back in the day.</p>
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		<title>By: VV</title>
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		<dc:creator>VV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tavis also sort of baited Henry Louis Gates when he was on the show - trying to get him to say negative things about Obama&#039;s race speech. He was clearly impressed by it and said as much, but Tavis wasn&#039;t satisfied with his seemingly pro-Obama responses. Any emphasis in bold is mine.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tavis: ... nobody in mainstream media who is prepared or as far as I&#039;m concerned interested, quite frankly, in having a thoughtful dialogue about what Black liberation theology is? &lt;b&gt;So to what extent did Obama, Obama&#039;s speech, that is, lead to a hit, ultimately, on the Black church?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Gates: Well, let&#039;s address it this way: the big surprise to me was that anybody in America would be surprised that there are separate discourses about race. When I wrote my book &quot;The Signifying Monkey,&quot; which was 20 years ago -&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tavis: Brilliant text, though.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Gates: Thank you. But I talked about Black cultural underground discourse and White underground discourses. You remember the Redd Foxx show and the Archie Bunker show? The brilliant thing about them, when Redd Foxx did -&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tavis: &quot;Sanford and Son.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Gates: - &quot;Sanford and Son&quot; is that they articulated all the resentments and the anxieties and the aggression about race - Anti-Black racism, anti-White racism - Archie Bunker and Sanford, Fred Sanford. It&#039;s as if everyone has forgotten that. It&#039;s no surprise that Black people sit around complaining about White people and anti-Black racism.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s no surprise that White people say things when they are together about Black people. All of the press coverage that I read today treated this as if it was a huge, huge revelation. Black theological discourse is not primarily defined by Black cultural nationalism or, as the conservative pundits might represent it, anti-White feeling among Black people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s how we took the text of the bible and made it in our own image. How we painted God Black, how we painted Jesus Black - literally, sometimes, and metaphorically. So I&#039;m not sure that I think that Black theological discourse took a hit yesterday, but I&#039;m wondering what sort of denial has our society been in when journalists greet Barack&#039;s simple statement that Black people are angry for historical reasons and White people have resentments based on fears about Black people, and this is treated as news. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tavis: A part of what troubles me, with all due respect to Senator Obama, though, was he kept casting Black feeling, Black emotion, as that of &lt;b&gt;**anger and bitterness&lt;/b&gt;. And so Black folk are angry and bitter, but White folk have resentment. That sounds to me, once again, like Negros are the problem.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Gates: Oh, I see. But if that&#039;s -&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tavis: I didn&#039;t like that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Gates: &lt;b&gt;If that&#039;s what he did - I didn&#039;t hear him do that,&lt;/b&gt; but if that&#039;s what he did, that would be inappropriate. Because as you&#039;ve noticed in my responses to your question, I cast them as equal examples of emotion.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tavis: Which I respect. And maybe he meant that, I don&#039;t know.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The link to the full transcript is here: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200803/20080319_gatesjr.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I listened to it on iTunes and you can hear HLG&#039;s hesitancy (i.e. &quot;What are you expecting me to say Tavis???&quot;).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There was a link here at JJP on the Gates segment that didn&#039;t focus on this angle but you have to hear the entire interview to hear Tavis trying to force-feed ole Skip the Obama haterade LOL!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;** Note that Clinton, McCain and all of the pundits up in arms about Obama&#039;s SF statements on PA voters being &quot;angry and bitter&quot; had nothing to say about Obama&#039;s use of those terms towards black people in his speech.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>Tavis also sort of baited Henry Louis Gates when he was on the show &#8211; trying to get him to say negative things about Obama&#8217;s race speech. He was clearly impressed by it and said as much, but Tavis wasn&#8217;t satisfied with his seemingly pro-Obama responses. Any emphasis in bold is mine.</p>
<p>Tavis: &#8230; nobody in mainstream media who is prepared or as far as I&#8217;m concerned interested, quite frankly, in having a thoughtful dialogue about what Black liberation theology is? <b>So to what extent did Obama, Obama&#8217;s speech, that is, lead to a hit, ultimately, on the Black church?</b></p>
<p>Gates: Well, let&#8217;s address it this way: the big surprise to me was that anybody in America would be surprised that there are separate discourses about race. When I wrote my book &#8220;The Signifying Monkey,&#8221; which was 20 years ago -</p>
<p>Tavis: Brilliant text, though.</p>
<p>Gates: Thank you. But I talked about Black cultural underground discourse and White underground discourses. You remember the Redd Foxx show and the Archie Bunker show? The brilliant thing about them, when Redd Foxx did -</p>
<p>Tavis: &#8220;Sanford and Son.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gates: &#8211; &#8220;Sanford and Son&#8221; is that they articulated all the resentments and the anxieties and the aggression about race &#8211; Anti-Black racism, anti-White racism &#8211; Archie Bunker and Sanford, Fred Sanford. It&#8217;s as if everyone has forgotten that. It&#8217;s no surprise that Black people sit around complaining about White people and anti-Black racism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no surprise that White people say things when they are together about Black people. All of the press coverage that I read today treated this as if it was a huge, huge revelation. Black theological discourse is not primarily defined by Black cultural nationalism or, as the conservative pundits might represent it, anti-White feeling among Black people.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s how we took the text of the bible and made it in our own image. How we painted God Black, how we painted Jesus Black &#8211; literally, sometimes, and metaphorically. So I&#8217;m not sure that I think that Black theological discourse took a hit yesterday, but I&#8217;m wondering what sort of denial has our society been in when journalists greet Barack&#8217;s simple statement that Black people are angry for historical reasons and White people have resentments based on fears about Black people, and this is treated as news. </p>
<p>Tavis: A part of what troubles me, with all due respect to Senator Obama, though, was he kept casting Black feeling, Black emotion, as that of <b>**anger and bitterness</b>. And so Black folk are angry and bitter, but White folk have resentment. That sounds to me, once again, like Negros are the problem.</p>
<p>Gates: Oh, I see. But if that&#8217;s -</p>
<p>Tavis: I didn&#8217;t like that.</p>
<p>Gates: <b>If that&#8217;s what he did &#8211; I didn&#8217;t hear him do that,</b> but if that&#8217;s what he did, that would be inappropriate. Because as you&#8217;ve noticed in my responses to your question, I cast them as equal examples of emotion.</p>
<p>Tavis: Which I respect. And maybe he meant that, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>The link to the full transcript is here: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200803/20080319_gatesjr.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200803/20080319_gatesjr.html</a></p>
<p>I listened to it on iTunes and you can hear HLG&#8217;s hesitancy (i.e. &#8220;What are you expecting me to say Tavis???&#8221;).  </p>
<p>There was a link here at JJP on the Gates segment that didn&#8217;t focus on this angle but you have to hear the entire interview to hear Tavis trying to force-feed ole Skip the Obama haterade LOL!</p>
<p><b>** Note that Clinton, McCain and all of the pundits up in arms about Obama&#8217;s SF statements on PA voters being &#8220;angry and bitter&#8221; had nothing to say about Obama&#8217;s use of those terms towards black people in his speech.</b></p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true he just called up and said he quit?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s pretty low down...but I felt that Tavis fundamentally doesn&#039;t respect fellow blacks.  Colin Powell was on his show and he asked something along the lines of how Powell felt seeing Barack do what he(Powell) could have achieved.  Powell looked a little irritated, and responded that he was pleased to see Barack&#039;s success...paraphrasing.   What kind of question is that anyway?  He was essentially asking the man if he was jealous.  Anyway, I haven&#039;t seen him ask Hildebeast any uncomfortable questions; that&#039;s suspicious.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Powell interview is on PBS.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it true he just called up and said he quit?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty low down&#8230;but I felt that Tavis fundamentally doesn&#8217;t respect fellow blacks.  Colin Powell was on his show and he asked something along the lines of how Powell felt seeing Barack do what he(Powell) could have achieved.  Powell looked a little irritated, and responded that he was pleased to see Barack&#8217;s success&#8230;paraphrasing.   What kind of question is that anyway?  He was essentially asking the man if he was jealous.  Anyway, I haven&#8217;t seen him ask Hildebeast any uncomfortable questions; that&#8217;s suspicious.</p>
<p>The Powell interview is on PBS.com</p>
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