Jack & Jill Politics

JJ

If they GIVE this nomination to Clinton, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HER – NEVER – I REPEAT – NEVER!

If Barack weren’t the L-word, he’d have chuckled it off this way: “I dunno…he was ok in church, but church is church and you know how many preachers get. But now he’s gotten a little muy loco–what can I say folks? I mean, Jimmy Carter had Billy…George H.W. Bush had, well, his son…Ha! We all have something hanging off us that isn’t always totally polished, so–pray for me, folks. Good night now.”

Something utterly Reaganesque like that. Could have ended it.

If the nomination is taken from him this time around, we need to start a new party. Especially if real democracy is taken from the Democratic party.

So many young people following Obama now…itching for REAL CHANGE.

i’ve just watched most of the evening news shows and the developing meme seems to be this:

wright is an egomaniac who could not be dissuaded from going on this little publicity tour, which tour is solely for the purpose of developing more material and marketing his upcoming book.

more: obama is not that close to wright, never has been. it appears that wright is envious of obama nd his rise into the public eye and so he is subconsciously trying to sabotage obama’s candidacy.

and now this is me: i agree with 99% of what wright says. i don’t know what his motivation could be. i had just assumed that it was guided by the wish to set the record straight and had nothing to do with obama. if it is ego, if it is envy, or whatever, that’s motivating this public display, shame on him.

that being said, everyone makes mistakes. and though i’d hate to see it played out this way, the idea that obama has been sabotaged by his “crazy preacher” could be helpful for obama’s campaign.

i would like to see obama directly address wright’s remarks that obama’s doing what he’s doing because he’s a politician. those aren’t the proper words, but the implication is that obama is not who he says he is, does not believe what he is saying, is only doing and saying what he is because he wants to win and after that, he’ll change.

i don’t believe that. it would be a good point for obama to confront in this whole wright thing. then put it to rest.

bigassbelle

I remember thinking long ago that maybe there was some jealously and anger about the disinvitation to the announcement of Obama’s presidency, but then I was distracted by the attack on the truth and Trinity and I forgot about all of that and went into defense mode.

I feel really bad for SBO. He didn’t won’t to hurt Wright, but I’m afraid he has forced his hand.

Truthseeker

I hope you’re right. I don’t want to think about how that would make me and millions feel.

bigassbelle: Exactly correct, one of the big takeaway MSM messages from all this hooha is going to be precisely to separate Obama much more clearly from Wright. That’s why all the anguish over this is misplaced.

Meanwhile I will continue both to agree with about 90% of what Wright says and to be glad he’s saying it. It’s way past time for progressives to stand up and stop being intimidated. When we allow ourselves to be silenced, we’ve become part of the problem.

-Obama may have bigger problems than Wright.

The Austin American-Statesman:

NOOSE ALLEGEDLY FOUND AT SECRET SERVICE TRAINING CENTER
By Rebecca Carr | Monday, April 28, 2008, 03:03 PM

The U.S. Secret Service has placed a white agent on leave after an African American employee reported finding a noose hanging at the service’s main training facility outside the nation’s capital.

The service has acknowledged “an allegation of misconduct” at its J.J. Rowley Training Center in Beltsville, Md., and that an employee last week was placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation. The employee is a veteran agent with the service, according to fellow agents.

The noose was found by an African American officer in the uniform division of the service during the week of April 14, according to those familiar with the alleged incident. That division protects the White House and surrounding grounds. He reported the incident to his supervisor and it was sent up the chain of command. He declined to comment for this story.

After learning about the alleged incident, Cox Newspapers asked the Secret Service whether a noose had been discovered at the training center.

“In response to your question, there has been an allegation of misconduct at our training center,” said Edwin M. Donovan, assistant special agent in charge of government and public affairs.

“The employee involved has been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation by our Office of Professional Responsibility, which serves as the agency’s internal affairs office,” Donovan wrote in an e-mail response. “At the conclusion of the investigation, additional information may be available.”

The alleged incident happened as U.S. Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson is expected to decide next month whether to sanction the service for failing to turn over evidence in a long-running lawsuit alleging that the service created a racially hostile atmosphere that tolerated discrimination.

The lawsuit, filed on behalf of Atlanta native Reginald G. Moore, alleges that the Secret Service routinely discriminates against black agents seeking promotion in favor of white agents who scored lower on promotional exams.

Nearly 60 black agents have submitted sworn statements to the court in support of the lawsuit’s allegations.

Robinson has already sanctioned the service three times since the discovery process of the lawsuit began 3 1/2 years ago.

The service denies the allegations and is now appealing all of the sanctions.

The Office of Professional Responsibility, previously called the inspection division, figured prominently during the discovery process of the lawsuit.

Carrie Hunnicutt, an inspector in charge of searching for documents sought in the lawsuit, testified in February that she destroyed original evidence sought by the plaintiffs by placing documents in a “burn bag” just two days before she was scheduled to testify in the case.

Justice Department lawyers defending the service have said that the destroyed documents should not be considered lost evidence because Hunnicutt transferred information from the documents to a computer database.

But lawyers at Hogan & Hartson and Relman & Dane, two Washington law firms representing the plaintiffs for free, contested that assertion, arguing that no one will ever know if the database is complete because the original evidence was destroyed by Hunnicutt.

The allegation that a noose was discovered supports the essence of the discrimination alleged in the lawsuit, said Jennifer Klar, a lawyer at Relman & Dane.

“We are appalled but unfortunately not surprised that a noose was prominently displayed recently in a secret service training center,” Klar said in an interview.

“This incident of racial hatred is troubling in an agency that has the important duty of protecting world leaders of all races, including our own leaders such as (presidential candidate) Barack Obama and (Secretary of State) Condoleezza Rice,” Klar said.

“This racist incident is a reminder that long time discrimination in the secret service has created an atmosphere where such hateful acts occur all too regularly,” Klar said.

“It is time for the Secret Service to put a stop to acts of racism by addressing and healing the racially charged environment that has been created over the years,” Klar said.

The Secret Service has fought the lawsuit each step since it was filed eight years ago.

“The Secret Service is extremely proud of the accomplishments of our diverse work force and our record on diversity,” said Eric Zahren, a spokesman for the service in an e-mail document defending the service from the accusations in the lawsuit.

“The Secret Service has not and will not tolerate discrimination of any kind,” Zahern said. “We are extremely proud of the contributions of our diverse work force and we will continue to promote the most qualified people.”

Moore, the lead plaintiff in the case who grew up in civil rights movement in Atlanta, was promoted after filing his lawsuit in 2000.

Moore is now in the service’s senior executive service. He has said that he will keep fighting until the service’s promotional system is permanently changed so that all agents of all colors have an equal chance at promotion.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/secrecy/entries/2008/04/28/noose_allegedly_found_at_secre.html#comments

Wright broke my heart today at the National Press Club. He was ‘clowning’. I could literally hear my heart tear into pieces with every question, because he did it on purpose. He’s an old Black Man – he knew how White folk would spin it. He had gone 2 days without providing soundbites; so today he clowned, stabbed Obama in the heart, and everyone else who had defended him, and threw Obama under the bus. I’m so mad STILL.

I wrote passionately about why Obama couldn’t disown Wright, when this first went down.

As my Mama said tonight, ‘ He clowned for them White people on purpose – to hurt Barack’. Indeed he did, Mama, which is why Obama needs to divorce himself from Wright IMMEDIATELY.

After Wright’s performance today, Black folk shouldn’t come down on Obama anymore. They would have when this first shook out because those were soundbite snippets.

Today was a full-on ‘shock’ performance of the highest order. And since we saw that he can do better (Moyers and the NAACP Dinner), what conclusion could one come to, other than this was done ON PURPOSE TO HURT OBAMA. He displayed Crab-in-a-barrell to the nth degree, and I am hurt as hell.

David Gergin played to “crabs in the barrel card,” and Faye Waddleton stabbed him in the back suggesting that Wright is filling in the blanks of what “we” don’t know about Obama. It looks like she’s fallen for Hillbilly’s Jedi mind tricks. Poor Roland is trying to let everyone save as little face, but his face is clearly as upset as it was this morning.

Truthseeker, thank you for your astute and insightful analysis on why the DNC wouldn’t just hand the nomination to Hillbilly. Your ideas are totally logical and infused with HOPE.

teacher,

which CNN program were they on? I missed Campbell Brown, but I am recording Larry King and Anderson Cooper.

Teacher

I couldn’t believe Waddleton said that.

Sorry…I am just very frustrated.

I truly believe, that complaining about the way the media treats the Rev.Wright issue doesn’t accomplish anything.

A book about Hillary’s chosen religious affiliation is supposed to come out in May. I hope it comes out in early May so alot of us can read it.

In the meantime…educate yourselves on what is available via the Nation article and a Mother Jones article of 2007.

Please, don’t just complain, activate and communicate with msm that you are aware of Hillary’s questionable religious affiliations.

Teacher

I don’t know what HHH means either, that’s rikyrah’s comment.

Ha! I just figured it out…it has something to do with “handkerchief head”?

Roland and Eric looked really troubled; though, they still didn’t want to throw away the Rev. they just looked really sad.

If indeed Wright’s colleagues begged him not to go through with this to no avail; then Wright is on a search and destroy mission and cannot be reasoned with. It strikes me that Wright is not only angry at Obama but at the whole black community. He knows how much this nomination means to us.

There’s a kind of mad dog quality to this that is similar to the Tavis episode. Tavis was on the radio ranting uncontrollably about Barack. These men can’t seem to help themselves.

At first I was really angry, now I’m kinda sad.

Did you actually see the different speeches? I’m not even an Obama supporter and I didn’t think Wright’s speeches were that damaging.

I encourage you to be more than a “fairweather” supporter and consider adopting the philosophy of Obama’s campaign: BE HOPEFUL.

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webb, now you’re making assumptions. If you think for a nanosecond that I wouldn’t vote for Obama based upon what his pastor said and what the media is doing with the whole manufactured drama, then you are mistaken.