Jack & Jill Politics

Truth Seeker:


I don't doubt that most of the women that comment on her blog are blind followers so to speak. But what the Hilary campaign has done has laid claim to "feminism" hence the strong outlash against Oprah who identifies as a feminist for supporting Barack Obama. And I feel like by taking the comments on her blog to define characteristics of "women" and "feminists" you are doing the same thing. Hilary Clinton has no right to claim feminism as her and only her support groups. I am a woman of color AND identify as a feminist and feel that both Barack (and Michelle) is more of a feminist than Hilary b/c his policies span the intersection of race, class and gender. Upper-middle class white woman cannot stake claim to feminism and we should not let them have that claim.

@ anonymous


In what specific way is it offensive?





I've read her blog comments extensively as well as the comment sections of blogs. I find - anecdotally - that most of the Hillary supporters who comment are female. I find a certain tone to their comments. There is a sense of being victimized, piled upon, a strong emotional attachment to Hillary and her perceived victimization as being their own. I don't know how else I can explain the rejection of principles of basic fairness in favour of blind support.



I have considered myself something of a feminist; however, what I see there gives me pause. The prevailing wisdom has been that women are kind, compassionate, honourable, smart etc. I am seeing that women are making donations, not getting receipts and their primary concern is not whether they are unprotected in the event of a dispute, but rather whether the Campaign got the donation. These women don't notice that on Hillary's blog there is not a single, dissenting comment. I am seeing a side of women that doesn't not make me proud. Perhaps I expected better of them.



In the same way Christianity collided with my feminism..so too does my previous feminism collide with my humanism.



I think now I am no longer a feminist, but a humanist.

Word.


truthseeker: As a woman who is definitely not a Hilary supporter, I find your comment highly offensive. Hilary has many male supporters who are buying into the craziness of her campaign. And you def come across as making similar use of politics to "prove" some sort of point about women in general.

Speaking of Hillary, in watching David Gregory tonight, he has a segment at the end of the show where the panel gives their prediction for the day. Chuck Todd's prediction was Clinton vs Petraeus for the NY Senate seat in 2012.....interesting because what he is predicting is that regardless if Clinton wins the nomination he doesn't think she'll be the next president. Maybe he was joking but that was his prediction!

ms.martin, the Nixons depend upon Americans being stupid.


That's how they get down. She's got a chief strategist and a husband who want free trade with a nation rich in oil and drugs.



That's right. Don't forget the drugs. Nobody's willing to go there.



Go figure.

That "new black" is crazy! She's also trying to make the people of Pennsylvania think that she and Bill have different opinions on free trade.


Really - how stupid does she really think the average American is?

What is striking is how women who support her agree with this line of thinking. I presume these same women tell their children about right and wrong and fairness. Yet, they think it is perfectly fine to change the rules to make their candidate "win".


But, I guess people just want to feel better about themselves. Really, it feels lousy to be on the losing team. It's a letdown when your candidate screws up..and Hill's been screwing up royally. It feels like crap to donate and not get a receipt or have your credit card double charged, then refunded.



I don't know if women especially have an extraordinary ability to rationalize things and see what they want to see...maybe the battered woman syndrome. Women often make excuses for people and situations that make them feel like crap. Maybe that's why there are so many women in the misogynistic, Christian pews on Sunday.

God, when will the lies end?


I guess the next thing she'll say is how she gave Roscoe the inspiration to start "Roscoe's Chicken & Waffles" franchise on the West Coast.