Jack & Jill Politics

craig,


I know I've said it before, but the Mrs. Nixon line never fails to make me crack up. The accuracy of it is so brutal.

Earlier I wrote everything else is an allusion - so angry can't spell - I meant illusion


B-Serious



I didn't mean MSM helps you, but that it has been helping HRC.

b-serious,


excellent post!

It took Reagan to bring up the fact that race played a large role in the way working-class (whites) voted for Hillary.


He also suggested that Obama needs to find a way to reach out to them.

B-Serious


I agree with that entire scenario except I didn't read where the MSM helps you enormously.

We just might have a Republicanin the whitehouse, because I'll be damned before I vote for Hillary Clinton.


Ditto...



At least McSame isn't threatening to bomb Iran if they attack Israel. Why isn't anybody asking about that? Hillary's more hawkish that McSame and Bush.

This party will NOT come together in the end, regardless of what Hilary and Obama say.


The divisions are in to stay.



End of story.



I hope the Deans, Braziles, Edwards people are reading this blog and get a big clue.

@ lele


Hillary supporters often mock Obama supporters for drinking kool-aid. But, I think it is the Hillary supporters who are enmeshed in her web of deception. It DOES matter how you win. African Americans feel so strongly about the race baiting...it goes to the core of who they are. And, they know what the Clinton's do to people they believe have crossed them. Bill Clinton is seething with rage over this. Under these circumstances - for African Americans, another candidate/party will be more attractive than Hillary Clinton.

"Look, we'll all Democrats. "


Isn't it funny how Hillary supporters want to be all kumbyyah when things go their way? But when things don't go their way, they forget that "we're all democrats" and use GOP tactics against other GOP.

-- Sepia

this is getting to be so depressing.


Obama has forces against him very few people could overcome.



Even the MSM won't admit he fights an ex popular president 24/7 campaigning for his wife....who supposedly can stand on her own two feet, but, she wouldn't be where she is if she wasn't married to an ex pres.



This whole scenario is totally ridiculous. I keep hearing Pat Buchanan saying Obama "can't close the deal" and now Hillary has picked up on that.



WELLLLLLLLLL....the CLINTONS can't close the deal on this "unknown upstart" either.



The msm never gets it....they always think we are too stupid to get the facts!!!

@ n. mahana and angela,


I'm with you guys. Switch the roles. Imagine this. . .



Hillary Clinton just won 11 straight states by an AVERAGE of 33%. She's outraised her opponent 2 to 1. She's galvanized the electorate. She played by the rules, ran a relatively clean campaign and has created an insurmountable lead. She is poised to be the Democratic nominee.



Only one small problem. Some guy named Barack Obama just won't get out of the way.



This guy, Barack, has no mathematical path to the nomination. Yet he holds his share of the Democratic Party hostage in some twisted attempt to extort a nomination that he hasn't earned.



This guy, Obama, is routinely allowed to make his own rules. He changes the goal posts every chance he gets. Yet, surprisingly, he holds Hillary to unrealistic standards that he, himself, could never reach.



He's so despised by half the country that he doesn't waste time trying to make a positive claim for his own candidacy. Instead he spends the majority of his time trying to raise Hillary's negatives. He talks about every Clinton scandal that ever happened. When asked if he thinks Hillary killed Vince Foster, he replies, "Of course not. . . AS FAR AS I KNOW."



His campaign is in constant disarray. He's already fired three major campaign strategists. He's in debt with a poor reputation for failing to pay outstanding bills - yet he somehow has the audicity to claim that he's ready on day one.



He knows he can't win, so he sends his surrogates out to do his dirty work.



He spreads the idea that Hillary is only where she is because she's a woman; and that any vote she gets is because of (a.) male guilt or (b.) because the country is just too racist to give him a fair shot.



When asked whether or not his acts damage the party he just grins and tells Hillary to toughen up. "If she can't take the heat, she should get out of the kitchen. After all, polls show most men won't vote for a woman, anyway."



He dismisses every victory she's ever had. He mocks her message. And he ridicules her supporters as needy, victim-card carrying, enablers with a diva complex.



Amazingly, however, he makes time to compliment the Republican nominee at her expense and proceeds to join forces with the RNC and Fox News to parrot every negative right-wing smear associated with her campaign. When he's challenged on it, he shrugs his shoulders and says, "Well the Republicans were gonna say it anyways."



Are you tellin' me that Hillary's supporters would just smile, kiss and make up after all of this. Give me a break.



I have NO loyalty to the Clintons. And, since her latest "let's nuke Iran" comments from last weeks debate, I'm convinced that she's just as much a hawk as McCain. No thank you. If I wanted a Republican, I'd vote for one.

Craig;


my message from you is you believe the Clintons victory tonight is short lived?



I hear the party leaders saying that we will all come together in the end. I say "not." I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton.

Craig,


you are correct, however a future victory will be a demonstrative and moral one. It will say, that the evil the Clinton's represent will not prevail. They embody everything that is destroying America. This is really an apocalyptic battle where what is at stake is America's soul. That moral victory will be the dogwhistle to everyone who understands subconsciously what this battle is truly about.



Bill Clinton is a foul human being. He has been accused of rape and has sexually harassed a young woman in his employ. He was - while Governor of Arkansas at the center of a tainted blood scandal that infected tens of thousands with HIV and Hep-C in Canada and other countries. It is often thought, that his wife Hillary is a passive, innocent victim of his excess; however, my intuition has always made me feel that she is more puppet-master than victim. They remind me of dysfunctional couples who cooperate to commit crimes...



I'm sort of into microexpressions and reading faces, something about her face and eyes - even her childhood pictures - make me think of Karla Homolka.

@n. mahana,
Sorry to hear that you feel that way.

We just might have a Republicanin the whitehouse, because I'll be damned before I vote for Hillary Clinton.


I am black and I am offended not only by her treatment of blacks but but the attitude that she can look down on Barack Obama, blow a whistle for bigots and racists to come join her.



It's just that serious to me. I'm not playing politics as usual and my vote means something to me and I will not give it to a low-class like Hillary.

angela,


Yes Obama lost. He lost the battle.



But he ran against Mrs. Nixon, Mrs. Nixon's victimhood, President Clinton, the PA Democratic party machine, Ed Rendell, Michael Nutter, John McCain, ABC, Fox, CNN and MSNBC, and his own foot-in-mouth and lackluster debate performance.



And he only lost by 10 points after being behind 26 points right after the Wright videos looped.



One doesn't need to be a politician to spin that as a a big step toward victory in the war.



I'm not afraid of what happens from here on out.



The NC Republicans are about to start a racial ad campaign against Obama in NC starting tomorrow. The Willie Horton ad maker is about to air racial ads in NC starting tomorrow.



Clinton is going to keep running her Kitchen ad.



Obama will win the war.

Truthseeker


I agreed that he is good and I constantly pray for him and the country.



I just don't see how he can change the hearts of people who are encouraged to hate him because he is black.

@lele


I've put in my time for the DNC already with voting against people out of fear of having a Republican in office and frankly I'm done.



I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone, but I'm doing it out of courtesy...



I'm voting my conscience this time. Simple as that. McCain may win, but so will my integrity. I will not vote for a candidate or something I do not believe in. We have a broken political system in this country. It is a two-party system that represents no one but itself.





In my opinion we are all sweatshop workers working in the factory of the political machine that run this country.



We need someone with young fresh eyes. Someone that believes they really can change this country for the better to benefit all not just a few.

Craig..


thanks for your info.

how that will equate to an Obama party nominee win.



It looks to me that the Clinton cabal is stacking the deck against Obama, big time.



I feel like I am actually seeing first hand the "Truman show." every breath of Obama is covered and analyzed like no other candidate...any obstacle to subvert his goals are already in place by big money obstacles from the Clinton party to the Republican party.



It is incredible!!!

Ms.martin,


I think he should take a few days off and go somewhere quiet by himself. He should pray, meditate..go deep inside back to his center. I believe that at his core he is a good man; but, this process has taken something away from him - as it would from any good man. This is a spiritual battle as much as it is a delegate one. Hillary Clinton has a core of evil, and striving, work and effort will not neutralize her...only a polarity of "good" will.



I really can't say exactly what that "good" will look like...but I think if Barack goes within himself he will find it.

I would just like to remind people that despite the media, the only working class white votes in battleground states Barack has lost in any big way have come in Ohio and Pennsylvania.


He won them in Wisconsin and Virgina, both battleground states in 2008.



The votes he's getting among black people and higher income white people makes up for those lost votes.



The blue collar white ethnic vote isn't the vote he needs to win the general election against John McCain.



That's media bullshit and I reject and denounce it.

@n. mahana,


If all Hill supporters took that attitude ("my candidate or anyone but Obama") then we'll have another Republican in the White House. That's a guarantee.

b-serious...holla! I cosign to everything you stated.


Felicia...yes and I've had this little exchange with some Hillary supporter's before. One went so far as to make a statement along the line of "we (as in blacks) owe it to the Clintons!"



Yessum Massah! I's gettin to it!



Absolutely contemptible attitude

We're all Democrats...? Um no...speak for yourself.


I agree. I just love how Hillary supporters think Obama supporters will fall in line if she steals it. After all the crap she and Bill have pulled? I don't think so.

"He lost today....bottom line."


Duh

webb said, "I am so *&*king tired of hearing about how a Democrat can not win without the white working-class vote...IT's TIME THESE FOOLS APPRECIATE THAT A DEMOCRAT CAN'T WIN WITHOUT THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTE EITHER!"


I'm with Webb 100% on this one. I want to see the media hold Hillary's feet to the fire in NC the same way they did with Obama in PA.



I want to see the media ask Hillary how she's going to win while losing 90% of the black vote?



I want to see pundits obsess over how Hillary can't connect with the young African-American voters represented in HBCUs all over the state of NC.



I want to see the media give just as much attention to NC blacks as they gave to PA rural whites.



And can we stop with the moving goal posts. This thing is OVER!



I don't want to hear about popular vote. There is no such thing as a national "popular vote" in the Democratic primary. I haven't seen any rule that says Democrats pick their nominee on the popular vote, or electoral map, or big state myth, or whatever half-baked argument Hillary invents on any given day. Both Hillary and Barack are on record as saying that this is a DELEGATE race!



If the Dems wanted to choose a nominee based on the popular vote, then they'd just hold. . . (gasp!) a national primary. But they don't.



Hillary's own camp doesn't even pretend to have a mathematical strategy to win the nomination. Now they're talking about "history" and feelings. WTF!?!?

Truthseeker:


What could that be?

We're all Democrats...? Um no...speak for yourself. I've been done with the Democratic party since they've done absolutely nothing after the 2006 midterm election. Just final proof that they are do-nothing and Republican light.


They take, the voting block of black constituents, for granted. They have and will continue to unless a clear message is sent.



I will not vote out of fear or against. I will vote for who I want. Sentator Obama is my candidate,if he's not nominated then I'll be seeing if an independent shows me they are worth having my vote.

So, now it gets really dangerous for Barack...


It is now officially impossible for Hillary to get a delegate lead...as just pointed out by Todd on MSNBC. It's virtually impossible to get a popular vote lead because it's typical for her to bypass states where she doesn't have a lead(NC). I don't think I've ever seen a case where she was able to eat into a Barack lead, therefore, seh won't get many votes in NC. So, what does that leave? She can only gain the nomination by convincing the superdelegates to take the nomination from Barack and give it to her or, wrangle herself a place at the top of a joint ticket.



She's managed to carve out a constituency(white blue collar) that is all her own, by being racially polarizing. To me, this is extremely troubling because of what it says about her ability to be a leader of all people. However, she has falsely created the same question about Barack by the trumped up "elitist" charge.



If Barack hopes to get this nomination without Hillary tagging along, he will have to dig deep to gain Blue collar voters in the upcoming states. He will have to appeal to something so good and so powerful inside them to counteract the negative appeals that she is only capable of.

Truthseeker - I agree, but then again he has always tried to elevate and appeal to what's good in us all. I'm with him all the the way.


I pray to God that he/we make it.

He lost today....bottom line.

Checking in from Philly.


Look, we'll all Democrats. My candidate carried the day today but if she doesn't win the nomination, I'll vote for Obama.



This is true democracy at work. That's to be celebrated.

New Hampshire. Texas/Ohio. Pennsylvania.


He always gives the best speeches when he loses.

I'm watching Obama on MSNBC in Indiana and he's laid down the challenge once again. Vote for the same ole, same ole OR make a change for the better.

Btw, you saw Hillary's half dead crowd in comparison to Obama's...please...apicture says a thousand words.

Obama got about 1500 new donors in the same time frame.


Here's a nice prayer from a commenter on his blog:



By JoyceFromCanada



a little prayer for strength:

O Source of Mercy, give us the grace to show forbearance to those who offend against us.

When the wrongs and injustices of others wound us, may our hearts not despair of human good.

May no trial, however severe, embitter our souls and destroy our trust.

When beset by trouble and sorrow, our mothers and fathers put on the armour of faith and fortitude.

May we too find strength to meet adversity with quiet courage and unshaken will.

Amen

I hate the women badly...badly. I am at my parent's house and my stupid mother as usual is watching Fox News and agreeing with Hannity. He's in all his glee discussing the "racial divide".


I swear.I swear. The American media is truly a joke...truly a puppet show.



Republicans want Hillary to win so bad and that says a lot.



BTW, yes, I caught Hillary apporiating aspects of Obama's speeches with her women and blacks nonsense. Shut Up Hillary!!

Her campaign sent out a press release that she raised 500,000 since the announcement.


I guess I'll just have to make a donation to the brotha tonight.

She does like to coopt all those "empty" words of Obama's.

Her campaign sent out a press release that she raised 500,000 since the announcement.


Bullshit.



Republicans relax a bit every time Mrs. Nixon wins a state.

Her speech is geered for the minorities of NC, I hope they know better.


She used race to win Pennsylvania and know she wants minorities to vote for her - pleeeasseee!

Hillary was supposed to win an everybody knows it!


Everything else is an attemption to create an allusion.



Hillary has been working on damaging Obama since the 11 state victory and the DNC knows it and has done nothing about it.



She's begggggging for money now.

If Hillary and her elk keep getting the time they need to divide and conquer by playing on the fears of some to get votes then She will get the nomination.


However, for me there will be no holding my nose and voting for her. If she gets the nomination I will not vote for her. I do not believe in what she stands for and I do not believe she will address the issues and concerns that face me and others like me.



It will be more of the same.

I am totally depressed as I listen to the shillary Hillary totally corrupt give her PA speech.


frankly, I want to just want to gag

Democratic leaders are all spineless.


And that includes the Nixons.

Roland looks so depressed...lol. I know how he feels. I was really hoping he'd squeeze out a win.

There's a war going on in the Democratic party, and if the Superdelegates notice it, they're keeping mum. Part of that is chipping away at the authority of the DNC and Howard Dean. Challenging the rules of the Democratic primary, inciting FL voters against the Democratic party rather than against their elected officials for Florida's botched primary.


I tend to think Superdelegates are not aware, if they were they'd be moving more quickly to put a stop to what can only be a hijacking of the party.



There's an article on HuffPo about Obama having a group of Superdelegates ready to declare shortly after the PA primary. I hope that does indeed happen.

God bless democracy.

Pat Buchanan is beside himself with f-ing glee!

Lanny and the Clintonistas just want Dean out because he won't change the rules about MI and FL in the middle of the game. If they get him replaced then they will control the DNC again and completely flip the switch and take everything just like that. We should realize that Dean is being fair and not giving advantage to either candidate by enforcing the rules but instead keeping the playing field level. It is in our best interest to stand strong with Dean.

I guess the next phase of the Clinton's strategy is continuing to challenge the authority of Howard Dean...at HuffPo Lanny is suggesting Howard should resign if he had anything to do with the cancelling of the NC debate.


This is not good for Obama or the Democratic party.

I am so *&*king tired of hearing about how a Democrat can not win without the white working-class vote...IT's TIME THESE FOOLS APPRECIATE THAT A DEMOCRAT CAN'T WIN WITHOUT THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTE EITHER!


Apparently they STILL think that WE WILL SUPPORT THAT B**CH after all is said and done...The commentators are disrespecting OUR Vote entirely. The Superdelegates need to step up and end this shyt...if they don't, they will not have a party in which to de-luh-gate any *(*king thing...

As expected. Now let's see the spread

MSNBC calls it for Clinton=(

It's too early to call. Good news for Mrs. Nixon.

The exits polls say Obama won Philly with 69% of the vote and the suburbs by 62%, 38% in Pittsburgh and 42% everywhere else.


If those numbers are accurate....

I'm really surprised that Chuck Todd would say something like that. I thought he has been pretty fair and balanced thus far.


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He's a Republican. There are a lot of nerves in that party.

They might steal Pennsylvania, but they won't still the nomination.

There's concern about voting irregularities because of Nutter and Rendel's support for Clinton. It's their turf.

I'm really surprised that Chuck Todd would say something like that. I thought he has been pretty fair and balanced thus far.


BTW, I'm as nervous as a hoe in church about tonight's primary.

No one will care about the alledged irregularities if Obama wins. From what I'm hearing, its not that big a deal.


If Clinton wins, do you call it a fair loss and move on?

Chuck Todd just made the affirmative action argument again on MSNBC's election coverage. He did it on the Tim Russert Show this weekend and again 5 minutes ago. Going on and on about how black areas in Philly are given more delegates that white areas and how it is unfair that their votes are weighted more and worth more than "say a person in Scranton". Chuck is Geraldine 3.0 (Bob Johnson was 2.).

For her....February 5th the deal was supposed to be closed. She told her boy George, that it was going to be over February 5th.

Hillary is asking why Barack can't close the deal.


Why can't she close the deal?

I cried reading this response over at The Field:


Carthage, on April 22nd, 2008 at 2:17 pm Said:

Here is a proud story of waiting patiently (repeat from the other thread): Small side note from my husband in Philly: the campaign tries to cover houses of supporters 3 times today, to check if they had voted. On the 10:00 AM round, he met an elderly Afr. Am. lady who needed a ride. He just checked on her - to be told she had gotten her ride, but her girlfriend had not: she’d been sitting, in her best dress, waiting patiently in the lobby since this morning for the ride. Very emotional, very gratifying, no matter what the exact number turns out to be tonight.





Don't tell me this vote doesn't mean anything.

29 members of NC legislature have endorsed Obama today

This is a nice diary about Michelle Obama

LOL @ Truthseeker! After seeing the older black church goers singing and hugging on McCain, then collectively picking my mouth up off the floor, I knew it was time to turn off the tv! The pandering is a bit much.


McCain/McInsane/McSame don't give two shits about black voters.



I watched the news reports earlier on MSNBC about the trouble with voting machines and the Philadelphia Commissioner or someone like that was on the phone with Taryn and he got "defensive, rude, and unprofessional". That tells me something was up and they got caught. But now things are working and he's says there isn't a problem. Immediately I thought to Cleveland, Harlem, LA, and now Philly. LIke another poster said; voter suppression/fraud just isn't for the Republicans anymore! Rendell and Nutter are suspect!



I. Despise. The. Clintons. Even. More.

Because it's our ally, ms.martin. Isn't that what allies do to the USA these days?

Why is Isreal spying on American nuclear capabilities?

April 22 (Bloomberg) --


"Hillary Clinton criticizes Saudi oil wealth while her husband benefits from its largess. She opposes a Colombian trade agreement that he supports. And she condemns China while his foundation solicits donations there.



With a record like that, former President Bill Clinton could well be running against his wife instead of stumping for her."



Bill's in Philly claiming that Obama is playing the race card.



My question to the Superdelegates:



Why would anyone want a president (Clinton) that would play on the racism in people (Philedelphians)

to urge them to vote based on the race of a candidate. This is precisely what the Clintons are doing and without any shame at all.

Blacks4Barack Announces:
The 'WE WILL NOT BE CHEATED'

Phone Campaign To DNC !



Realistically speaking, it is a fact that even if Hillary wins Pennsylvania there is absolutely no way she can get enough delegate votes to defeat Obama and win the Democratic nomination. WE CAN'T LET HAPPEN IN PA.....AS DID IN OHIO !



In Ohio's election, 15 of the polling locations in Cleveland ran short of ballots. It just so happened that all 15 of these locations were in the black community. Once the shortage was 'discovered' (at 7:15 pm....after polling locations had closed) it was ordered by a regional judge to keep polling places open longer....actually until 9pm. Problem was that the workers at the locations had already closed up and gone home.....so the locations were not re-opened. Although there is a supposed investigation taking place, we want everyone to take note that these cheating tactics will not be tolerated ! If ANY cheating occurs in this Pa. election, we must DEMAND that legal actions be taken and the facts (culprits) revealed.



Hillary Clinton's coniving tactics will end up ruining the Democratic Party. Now is the time to let Howard Dean, Donna Brazil, Harold Ickes (both members of the DNC Laws & Bylaws Committee)and the entire DNC know that if Hillary wins through ANY methods deemed trickery (which is the only way she can win the nomination) WE....THE PEOPLE WILL NOT SUPPORT HER IN THE GENERAL ELECTION !

We are asking EVERYONE to call the DNC at 202-863-8000 to let them know 'We Will Not Support A Cheater !



We need 50 thousand Americans of all ages, races and creeds to FLOOD THE PHONES !!! Call Today !!!! 202-863-8000. Say It Loud....WE WILL NOT SUPPORT A CHEATER.....PERIOD!!! Tell everyone you know to make this call. The Time Is NOW....for the Re-Birth of America !!!!



NOTE: The Media refuses to inform America that OBAMA WON TEXAS.....Pitiful !!!!!



Visit: www.Blacks4Barack.org

(A Multi-Racial Organization....Dedicated To Truth !)

Truthseeker!


Pure comedy

Truthseeker,


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah, and in NC Hillary will be wearing braids and singing negro spirituals.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.


The odds are against him, but we've seen upsets before (payback for New Hampshire, anyone?).



There is a path to victory for Obama. Everyone knows it. It's called GOTV.



Either way, take heart. In a week's time the media will shift it's attention from working class whites in PA to african-american voters in NC.



Obama needs to close this thing out. I'm still looking at May 6, but let's hope for the upset tonight!

Voted in Philly, in a black precinct with no problems this morning. At 7:45, I was the 43rd voter. This election is nice because folks are taking the time to stop each other on the street and ask, "Have you voted yet". Overwhelming, people are telling me they are going after work and they are all Obama. (Of course, my sample may be skewed as I only go out of my way to speak to black folks and I am wearing an Obama shirt, button and sticker.) Anyway, I am feeling the love in Philly. When my son walked into his preschool today, (a polling place) he told the workers that he voted for Obama and they cheered. He also told me he wants Obama to knock Hillary Clinton off of the world. I told him that would be a little too much.

I live just across the PA line in Ohio. The weather here is incredible and my friends just across the line say the turnout is HUGE!

Malfunctioning voting machines:
It's not for Republicans anymore!

Reports from MSNBC says only 1 or 2
machines are working in African American precincts in Philadelphia!

MSNBC reporting:


Obama Campaign says voting machines breaking down in African American precincts in Philadelphia!



The sh%t have started already..

24 Hours on the "Big Stick:" What Can Learn about America on the USS Theodore Roosevelt


...which contains the following:



In this never-never land a couple of tinhorn Second City shysters--who, put together, don't have the life experience of the lowest ranking gob-with-a-swab cleaning a head on the Big Stick--presume to run for president of the United States. They're not just running against the hero John McCain, they're running against heroism itself and against almost everything about America that ought to be conserved.

I have talked to my 82-year old grandpop in Philly who told me he is voting for Obama.


I talked to Moms last night. Knowing Moms, she already voted this morning. When I was back home we always loved how when we voted we always got #1-10, meaning we were among the first to vote at our precinct.



Our whole family in PA is voting for Barack, as my Mom will be doing her 1-family GOTV campaign. I bet many families are doing the same.