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		<title>By: Conseula</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/civil-rights-groups-wither-new-ones-taking-their-place/comment-page-1/#comment-9168</link>
		<dc:creator>Conseula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danielle--&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m a big fan of this blog, but you are absolutely right about this blog.  Dubois was committed activist scholar.  Organizations like the NAACP and UNIA and CORE actually moblized people to actually do something, to put their money and their bodies where their mouths are.  I&#039;m a blogger myself, but I don&#039;t mistake the kind of work I do on my blog with the kind of work I do in my classroom and my grassroots organizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danielle&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of this blog, but you are absolutely right about this blog.  Dubois was committed activist scholar.  Organizations like the NAACP and UNIA and CORE actually moblized people to actually do something, to put their money and their bodies where their mouths are.  I&#8217;m a blogger myself, but I don&#8217;t mistake the kind of work I do on my blog with the kind of work I do in my classroom and my grassroots organizing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You tell them Danielle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You tell them Danielle.</p>
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		<title>By: danielle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/04/civil-rights-groups-wither-new-ones-taking-their-place/comment-page-1/#comment-9119</link>
		<dc:creator>danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree with your assertion that J&amp;J and blogs like it are the &quot;spiritual grandchildren&quot; of DuBois if your posts weren&#039;t so full of inflationary claims that have often included blatant misogyny (in relation to this election season in particular.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;DuBois was a Pan-Africanist, a student and scholar of black culture worldwide who challenged ideas and came up with an altogether new framework for thinking of what it means to be black. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He was not a reactionary; he would never incite folks to forego participation in the democratic process because of perceived &quot;slights.&quot; Consider that, when DuBois started the NAACP, lynchings were at an all time high in this country, and the government did very little to prosecute the perpetrators. So, in essence, in the midst of state-sponsored terrorism, DuBois started an organization to ensure that people of color were involved in our blatantly corrupt political system. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your various posts and rants to skip the election altogether if Senator Obama is not elected the Democratic nominee is reprehensible; this suggestion would be ANATHEMA to DuBois.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Blogs like yours are misinformed, at best, and incredibly counter-revolutionary and dangerous at your worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree with your assertion that J&#038;J and blogs like it are the &#8220;spiritual grandchildren&#8221; of DuBois if your posts weren&#8217;t so full of inflationary claims that have often included blatant misogyny (in relation to this election season in particular.)</p>
<p>DuBois was a Pan-Africanist, a student and scholar of black culture worldwide who challenged ideas and came up with an altogether new framework for thinking of what it means to be black. </p>
<p>He was not a reactionary; he would never incite folks to forego participation in the democratic process because of perceived &#8220;slights.&#8221; Consider that, when DuBois started the NAACP, lynchings were at an all time high in this country, and the government did very little to prosecute the perpetrators. So, in essence, in the midst of state-sponsored terrorism, DuBois started an organization to ensure that people of color were involved in our blatantly corrupt political system. </p>
<p>Your various posts and rants to skip the election altogether if Senator Obama is not elected the Democratic nominee is reprehensible; this suggestion would be ANATHEMA to DuBois.</p>
<p>Blogs like yours are misinformed, at best, and incredibly counter-revolutionary and dangerous at your worst.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ denise,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With regard to this race only, anecdotally I would say the Hillary campaign is guilty of doing this far more than is possible for the Obama campaign.  I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s because Hillary is losing, which forces her supporters to scrape the barrel for inspiration.  Or, if it&#039;s a result of the misinformation being fed to them from the campaign itself.  For instance, the campaign says Barack is blocking the re-votes in MI &amp; FL...but the truth is he has no authority over that.  When the Clinton campaign proposed privately financing the re-votes, Obama had legitimate concerns over the poor precedent that would set with regard to democracy.  It is clear also, he doesn&#039;t want to usurp the authority of the DNC which has already ruled on the situation...that would create problems for the party in the future.  For Hillary to say he wants to disenfranchise the voters is untrue, but her supporters keep repeating it even though deep down, I think they know it&#039;s not true .. or fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ denise,</p>
<p>With regard to this race only, anecdotally I would say the Hillary campaign is guilty of doing this far more than is possible for the Obama campaign.  I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s because Hillary is losing, which forces her supporters to scrape the barrel for inspiration.  Or, if it&#8217;s a result of the misinformation being fed to them from the campaign itself.  For instance, the campaign says Barack is blocking the re-votes in MI &#038; FL&#8230;but the truth is he has no authority over that.  When the Clinton campaign proposed privately financing the re-votes, Obama had legitimate concerns over the poor precedent that would set with regard to democracy.  It is clear also, he doesn&#8217;t want to usurp the authority of the DNC which has already ruled on the situation&#8230;that would create problems for the party in the future.  For Hillary to say he wants to disenfranchise the voters is untrue, but her supporters keep repeating it even though deep down, I think they know it&#8217;s not true .. or fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; &quot;They censor posts heavily and encourage the spreading of misinformation. They feed of each others misinformation...&quot; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With all due respect, everybody does this.  One person&#039;s &quot;propoganda&quot; is another&#039;s &quot;truth&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> &#8220;They censor posts heavily and encourage the spreading of misinformation. They feed of each others misinformation&#8230;&#8221; </b></p>
<p>With all due respect, everybody does this.  One person&#8217;s &#8220;propoganda&#8221; is another&#8217;s &#8220;truth&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with a name with color people, shows how obsolete they have been</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with a name with color people, shows how obsolete they have been</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose in many ways the internet can be used for good but also used for misinformation and propaganda.  The internet is just an efficient delivery mechanism for ideas.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;for example, have any of you guys ever tried to post on the Hillary blogs?    I read it occasionally to see what her supporters are thinking. Some posters complain their blogs aren&#039;t posted.  I posted something and it didn&#039;t show up :).  It&#039;s fascinating to see some repeat her talking points verbatim saying she has experience and he has only a speech.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They censor posts heavily and encourage the spreading of misinformation.  They feed of each others misinformation.  Posters are writing to the DNC and Obama campaign demanding the MI &amp; FL delegates be seated as is.  I think deep down they know this isn&#039;t fair &#039;cause they try to rationalize it with very bizarre reasoning, but are opposed to a 50/50 split.  There is no recognition that the authority of the DNC can&#039;t be undermined by rewarding the states that broke the DNC rules, they just want their candidate to win.  There is no effort to set the record straight over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose in many ways the internet can be used for good but also used for misinformation and propaganda.  The internet is just an efficient delivery mechanism for ideas.</p>
<p>for example, have any of you guys ever tried to post on the Hillary blogs?    I read it occasionally to see what her supporters are thinking. Some posters complain their blogs aren&#8217;t posted.  I posted something and it didn&#8217;t show up :).  It&#8217;s fascinating to see some repeat her talking points verbatim saying she has experience and he has only a speech.</p>
<p>They censor posts heavily and encourage the spreading of misinformation.  They feed of each others misinformation.  Posters are writing to the DNC and Obama campaign demanding the MI &#038; FL delegates be seated as is.  I think deep down they know this isn&#8217;t fair &#8217;cause they try to rationalize it with very bizarre reasoning, but are opposed to a 50/50 split.  There is no recognition that the authority of the DNC can&#8217;t be undermined by rewarding the states that broke the DNC rules, they just want their candidate to win.  There is no effort to set the record straight over there.</p>
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		<title>By: evita</title>
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		<dc:creator>evita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For years I have been telling everyone I can how Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ae not the spokespersons for Black America or for equity. Part of the problem of why so many people African American and others alike (I&#039;m a Latina other) chose not to support groups like the NAACP and Rainbow Coalition and la RACE is that the leadership is of a different generation and refuse to include other voices.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Baratunde (sic?) it was refreshing to see you on CNN right after the Iowa Caucus, but Jesse got the special walk in entrance and then he wanted to be condescending at that. I was horrified. Does he think he is going to live forever?  You just noted how many people read what you and your contributors say on JJP, how many people go to his site? How many show up for his rallys?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve said this time and time again. They are not my leaders. I will not  make a sign and go anywhere to sing  folk songs or shout until I get a headache. I will, instead, leverage my education, my influence, and help affect change. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Reading blogs is how I stayed informed (watch CNN and get the Black and Brown perspective from Blogs,) and then I send money where the Black and Brown blogs say to... I&#039;m not marching anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For years I have been telling everyone I can how Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ae not the spokespersons for Black America or for equity. Part of the problem of why so many people African American and others alike (I&#8217;m a Latina other) chose not to support groups like the NAACP and Rainbow Coalition and la RACE is that the leadership is of a different generation and refuse to include other voices.</p>
<p>Baratunde (sic?) it was refreshing to see you on CNN right after the Iowa Caucus, but Jesse got the special walk in entrance and then he wanted to be condescending at that. I was horrified. Does he think he is going to live forever?  You just noted how many people read what you and your contributors say on JJP, how many people go to his site? How many show up for his rallys?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said this time and time again. They are not my leaders. I will not  make a sign and go anywhere to sing  folk songs or shout until I get a headache. I will, instead, leverage my education, my influence, and help affect change. </p>
<p>Reading blogs is how I stayed informed (watch CNN and get the Black and Brown perspective from Blogs,) and then I send money where the Black and Brown blogs say to&#8230; I&#8217;m not marching anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did this group (and bloggers) have to say about Dunbar Village?&lt;br/&gt;Genarlow Wilson?  Seems like the same old same old to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did this group (and bloggers) have to say about Dunbar Village?<br />Genarlow Wilson?  Seems like the same old same old to me.</p>
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