Your point was well made and I agree!

No butt kicking! All I can say is OUCH! I’m not going to “preach”.

Never underestimate the HOLY SPIRIT!

My point is that the whole thing is nuts: the virgin birth, Genesis, Govt. engineering HIV, men in the bellies of whales, women worth less than men…it’s ALL crazy…who are we kidding?
My other point is we don’t go to church for what makes sense and is logical – ’cause clearly, none of it is. We go out of habit, tradition and in small degree, what feels good. So, Obama opponents can’t impose the logical test of asking “why did you stay?” on a behaviour that is inherently illogical!

Now, all the Christians are going to kick my ass.

OUCH!

@ CM

Where are the religious leaders that support Hillary? Continuing to throw Obama under the bus as well as their own s/b pride and dignity by overlooking the race baiting she started in the first place. At the very least, Clinton is speaking the language that appeal to racists and they either sit by and do nothing or even worse, defend it! YUCK!

Women sit in the pews and listen to how they should be submissive and silent. Homosexuals listen to anti-gay messages. People continue to sit in pews and listen to sermons long after those sermons cease to match their beliefs. Religion is static, while people are not. We grow and become more compassionate and understanding, while preachers teach 6000 year old rhetoric. We listen to stories of “God’s chosen” conquering nations and being instructed to kill all the men and keep the virgins for themselves: sexual slavery. That we enter the church at all is absurd!

I suppose, we enjoy the sense of fellowship, the music and community outreach…sermon notwithstanding.

If the Clintons were decent people Obama would never have had to give a speech on being black and being a presidential candidate, let alone explain his pastor. The Clintons would have stepped up for him. And if FOX News, MSNBC, CNN et al. weren’t playing a filthy game for ratings this wouldn’t be a story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/mccains-church-hates-ame_b_92140.html

It’s surprising that the religious people who are publicly defending Wright (and Obama), and putting it in historical context, are from the right – Shaeffer and Huckabee.

Seriously, where are the black religious leaders who are backing the Clintons on this? The only person I’ve been seeing is Rev. Eugene Rivers (a Hillary supporter I believe) getting down on Obama for not being forceful enough in denouncing Wright.

I don’t understand the people saying he should have left the church or made his objections known. How do we know he didn’t make them known? That’s a pretty big church. Should he have jumped up and ran down the aisle. How do we know he didn’t have an offline conversation with him? I know that I’ve disagreed with my Pastor before and we’ve just agreed to disagree on things. I didn’t leave the church because I wasn’t there for HIM, I was there to praise GOD. If you go to church to only hear the preacher say things that you will like, then you’ll never grow. How many Catholics left the church after supporting child molesters?

Any why are so many people shocked that social/political issues are discussed in the black church. White politicians have known this for years. That’s why every election season they tramp up in the pulpit and clap offbeat and rock the wrong way (including the Clinton’s). At least one good thing came out of this though; we can put the Muslim rumors to rest.

I’m usually suspect at SNL also but I did see the clip of Tracy Morgan and he said, I heard Tina Fey’s comments about Bitch being the new black, but I just want you to know that Black is the new President, Bitch. (Not word for word)

It was really funny.

As crazy as it sounds, an SNL spoof of the Wright controversy could help Obama if it’s done in the right way.

Imagine SNL making fun of the absurdity that is Fox News and their obsession over this issue. How do you think that would play?

Personally, I’d rather SNL leave it alone. But something tells me the writers are cooking up something right now.

But I’m with you. SNL is a little supsect to me as well.

Is Tracey Morgan a writer for the show? or is he just mouthing what is given to him?

SNL is suspect.

McCain’s response: (crickets)

which is the worse response?

“A crazy white lady with too much money and not enough lovin’”(Tracey Morgan, SNL, March 15, 2008)

I don’t know his thoughts.

But, to me, Juan Williams looks like he’s starting to cross over into Larry Elders territory. My impression of him is that he’s increasingly eager to say whatever it takes to gain favor from his conservative friends at Fox.

He’s anticipating conservative talking points to appear more independent-minded – especially during such polarizing times.

It’s not a matter of what he says. He seems more concerned with the reaction he’ll get from people like O’Reilly, Hannity and other conservative pundits.

I mentioned this on my blog. Obama has actually begun to marginalize his critics on this issue.

When you’ve got John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Peggy Noonan, the 700 Club as well as liberal media and a majority of the MSM praising Obama’s speech, you’ve basically painted Sean Hannity and Fox News for the “haters” they are. They lose credibility. They’re stuck on this story like a broken record. People move on. I think people will begin to see Fox and the like as merely being focused on some personal mission to destroy Obama’s candidacy. They lose credibility (not that I think they have any) when they do that.

Obama’s speech wasn’t aimed at conservative or liberal; democrat or republican; white or black. Obama’s speech was aimed at our greater angels. His speech was made to evoke rationale, critical thought.

Most reasonbale people (regardless of whom they support) look at that speech and say it’s sincere. Again, unless you’re talking to the conservative Hannity crowd (and perhaps die-hard Hillary supporters) you’re gonna have a hard time convincing people that Obama hates America.

Unfortunate because I am not and I am sick of wat has happened to the news media. It has really been dumbed down. I can’t watch because i’m smarter than everyone on the major cable news networks.

B-Serious, I co-sign…if anyone wants to hold onto this then they were never in support of him or were unsure of him from the beginning.

Cranky, we all know here what Wright was talking about. Many people in this country are still unaware of the institutionalized racism that exists in this country-education, media, government (criminal justice system, policies etc)etc.. I am yet to see anyone in the media tackle that. Any of that however we are dealing with a white opinion dominated corporate media. You will never hear a different perspective. One guy after the speech claimed that Obama still has to explain himself. He is trying to turn this on the American people when he should be answering questions as to why he entertained a racist and anti-american preacher. That just shows me how obvious it is that people dont get it. They wont. They are trying to keep this up cause they get a kick out of calling a black man racist and they dont want to hear about the realities of race in America. However I believe that this speech was effective and once again if anyone wants to still pull back their vote for Obama then they were never that dedicated to him to begin with.

The Speech was what it was. Part politics. Part nuance. All unvarnished and unequivocal truth–truth in a day when some people are mortally afraid of it, and wholly dependent on spin and obfuscation.

The Speech was a smorgasbord of truthful inspiration for any and all to partake. Those who claim to have found nothing of inspiration, really don’t want to be inspired anyway.