Jack & Jill Politics

Anon 3:07


Well Lord knows it's working! I wish it weren't!!!!!!



I mean every article I read Terrence is there to point out any ignorant comment made by an AA since the beginning of time yet defending racism/race baiting racial tension against AA's by pointing out some ignorance he heard on the street apparently b/c he never cites a reputable example-defintely no one in the BO camp. He can only defend HRC while MANY whites reject it! It is truly sad!It's like he and few other police the AA community from ignorance and sit in siolence while ignorance from other races are there in full effect! We are trying to have an intelligent conversation here not bring up every ignorant (AA) person we have ever met. If we were gonna do that then be fari and let's not exclude other races! Meanwhile many whites are sitting around laughing at us b/c this is exactly what they wanted!!! Damn sad!

"It's funny how you can only point out flaws within the AA community."


Self-hate is one of the most destructive ramifications of slavery. We have to have patience with some who experience it the strongest.

Lele Hill, I left comments for you on your latest blog and I'd like to be able to discuss them with you. If you're open to discussion, that is.


Also, I think that yes it's catty and I don't condone it, but why tit for tat on lipstick and not be able to examine those comments and the comments made by HRC and her surrogate themselves in the same manner?



The constant reminder that "they're supposed to be above it all" is really a moot point. I don't think many of the people on this blog ever said they used Obama's stance on politics in their personal lives.



Frankly, I'm not above low blows, but then again I'm also not Obama, nor am I running his campaign.

Terrence,


You have proven that you will say anything to derail the point! A silly comment about her lipstick does not void the bigger problem here but obviously you are waiting around for a "gotcha"! No matter what people say on this board it STILL does not make the way STJ is conducting herself OK! But let me guess, just b/c you heard some people on the streets (not affiliated with the BO campaign)that makes it OK?!?! What abour all the igorant comments you hear other people on the streets of other races make? Why aren't you discussing this as well to make it fair! Again, there are rotten apples in every ethnic group and always will be! It's funny how you can only point out flaws within the AA community.

The lispstick comments made by others may have been a little childish/catty and I knew as I read them people like you would take it as such but I assure you the race games they are playing are larger and more dangerous and clearly the greater EVIL! Not some harmless laughter after what these people are inflicting into society. This is a dangerous game to win a political position that is tearing the nation down instead of making it stronger and it is NOT worth it! BO is accused of not being patriotic but the lows that HRC has stooped to win a campaign is certainly NOT love for this country when it's only aim is to divide and conquer!!!!!!!

LeLe/Terrence,


It is sad that anyone of any descent can take up for the race baiting that STJ has taken part of against her OWN people. This is NOT about her support for Clinton, rather her LACK of support for her very own kind! Shame on her for invoking feelings of fear towards BO's African heritage NOT native land as she stated. She is too intelligent to do this. Her motives are clearly her own political gain! She will see just how fast she will be paid back and it will not be from her own kind! It WILL be from the Clinton's! Clinton's camp is playing to ONE specific audience- the ignorant! And since racism,racial intolerance etc is born of FEAR and IGNORANCE she certainly has her audience and has made her case!!! Damage done-the good thing is who wants the ignorant and the racists on their side anyway. Good riddance to bad rubbish for ANYONE ignorant enough to buy into this!

should ppl here be treated like obama campaign managers? i think not. if someone wants to vent his/her anger here, that's what it is. the anger of one person, one voter. lipstick remarks included.


i'm quite sure the lipstick remarkers can do serious too. in fact, have proven so.

Lele Hill: "I thought you all were supposed to be above that."


Sadly, many of them aren't. Some are as disingenuous about "change" as Barack Obama.

"You had to be at CBC Weekend to see it in person. I was and it was straigh McFilthy...


One of the CBC sistas was overheard "Who the Hell that skinny, high-yella, purple-lipped nigger thinks he is?"



My thought "Someone who doesn't want to sleep with your trifling ass, that's who."



And I didn't know Obama from a hole in the ground at that point; he was a brotha taking on that loony Alan Keyes for the Senate.



As I said, I was there and I saw this up close and personal. Can you say, "EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW"?"



ROFLMAO!!!!!! Wow, I'm sitting here with my mouth open like "Oh my gosh did that really happen?". *Snickers*



Anyway, this is off topic, but this is the first time that I agree with Glen Beck:



(snip)



Our government is leading us by example, and I don't mean that in a good way. For years, it has spent us into oblivion, mortgaging our future for programs we can't afford, and Americans have happily followed suit, running up credit card bills and home equity loans for things they never should've bought.



Unfortunately, we're also learning something else from our government: how to avoid taking responsibility for our actions.



From Eliot Spitzer's alleged hooker craze to the revelation that Arnold Schwarzenegger commutes to work in a large private jet even as he preaches the dangers of carbon dioxide emissions, there's never been a shortage of "do what I say, not what I do" hypocrites in politics.



But that same attitude has seemingly spread from individual politicians to an entire party.



Democrats aren't happy that delegates from Florida and Michigan won't be seated at the national convention because those states broke clear party rules. Well you know what? Too bad. We don't say that enough anymore. Too bad. You agreed to the rules; you broke them. Now you've got to deal with the consequences.



"But Glenn. ... Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama will have enough delegates to win the nomination. We don't want this to be decided in some backroom by superdelegates."



Too bad.



"But Glenn. ... You don't understand. If we don't seat delegates from those states now, then we might lose their votes in the general election."



Too bad.



"But Glenn. .... The voters in these states are going to be disenfranchised if we don't let their voices be heard."



Too bad.



If you want to talk about disenfranchised voters, then let's talk about why just 17 percent of Americans have a positive view of Congress. Let's talk about why we still have wide open borders despite most Americans wanting them sealed. Let's talk about why we keep selling out our sovereignty and our security by borrowing billions of dollars from-less-than friendly countries, such as China.



Americans aren't disenfranchised because our leaders won't count votes in a couple of states. They're disenfranchised because our leaders aren't doing their jobs. They're disenfranchised because after working hard to support their families and to raise kids who understand the difference between right and wrong, their leaders do exactly the opposite.



In the cases of Florida and Michigan, I've patiently listened to all the moving arguments about why there should be a "do-over," but quite honestly, they're not arguments at all. They're excuses. If this race wasn't so close, or if these states offered a combined 36 delegates instead of 366, do you really think anyone would care? Of course not.



But no matter what you think should happen, you have to admit that Clinton's idea that we should simply count her "wins" in Florida and Michigan is completely ridiculous.



In fact, if you played a rimshot and a laugh track behind her every time she recited that line, people might actually agree to a two-drink minimum to see her speak. How could you possibly count the results from an election when your main opponent wasn't even on the ballot (at least in Michigan)? You can't -- unless you think the rules are simply there for your own amusement.



Last year, when the punishment against Florida was first approved, Donna Brazile, a member of the Democratic National Committee rules panel, said she hoped that the harsh consequences would "send a message to everybody in Florida that we are going to follow the rules." And Brazile knows a little something about that ... she ran Vice President Al Gore's presidential campaign in 2000.



Voters in Florida and Michigan should ask themselves one important question before they blindly follow their party: Why did no one seem to care about "alienating" them last year when the rules were intentionally broken? It's only now, when their vote really matters, that everyone is suddenly so concerned about "enfranchising" them.



Florida and Michigan have a golden opportunity to stand up and say enough is enough, to send a message that it's time to not only take responsibility for their actions but for those of our leaders as well.



After all, what would it say about personal responsibility in this country if we allow the two states that broke all the rules to end up having the biggest say of all?

Lele Hill:


You've clearly missed the point. The outrage is not over her support of Clinton, but the lengths she will go to support Clinton.



She is so void of substance that her lipstick is all that is left to discuss. Got it?

" Straight up sickening"
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Say what you want to about her supporting Clinton, that's the issue. Talking about her "bad or cheap" lipstick is a cheap shot and really speaks to the sexism and classism that has become prevalent in some corners of the BO campaign.


I thought you all were supposed to be above that.

CBC = Coons Backing Clinton


Stephanie Tubbs-Jones is defending her missy like a good darkie. She has dreams of sleeping in the big house, I'm sure of it. Straight up sickening. And I love how she came out with her ridiculous commentary WEEKS AFTER Ferraro's insipid remarks.



She sickens me...

CPL,


You crack me up with your stories about it. Too funny for words..



And definitely 'EEEEWWWWWWW''

Sista in Maryland, I'm your neighbor over in Northern Virginia.


You had to be at CBC Weekend to see it in person. I was and it was straigh McFilthy...



One of the CBC sistas was overheard "Who the Hell that skinny, high-yella, purple-lipped nigger thinks he is?"



My thought "Someone who doesn't want to sleep with your trifling ass, that's who."



And I didn't know Obama from a hole in the ground at that point; he was a brotha taking on that loony Alan Keyes for the Senate.



As I said, I was there and I saw this up close and personal. Can you say, "EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW"?

LOL at the lipstick comment-I thought it was just me.

Wow @ "I'm beginning to think that Stephanie Tubbs-Jones is one of the CBC sistas who tried to crush on him at CBC Weekend back in 2004, and sent to brotha home traumatized by the attempt to seduce him."


Too crazy...

From her District. Sheeit, I'm from her part of town, and I can tell you that she is one of the most regrettably dislikeable politicians I have ever met.


Not to mention she has always been full of sh^$.



Think Clay Davis in horrible lipstick and badly dressed.

I'm beginning to think that Stephanie Tubbs-Jones is one of the CBC sistas who tried to crush on him at CBC Weekend back in 2004, and sent to brotha home traumatized by the attempt to seduce him.


It's the only explaination why she's still willing to carry water for the Borg Queen, when most self-respecting sistas would have already quit this campaign.



Woman scorned and all that...

This woman is just bizzare with her love of all things HRC, just how much is she getting paid to look like a stooge for team HRC? And, it will be great to see her and all the others on the CBC put back into no man's land when the GOP gets back in charge due to thier support of the not viable HRC and her race baiting team.


Anyone but HRC for the job is all that matters at this point in time.

anon 01:00 is right on the spot. the whole spin on ferraro helps clinton. as plannend, i do think. she's doing it to win pennsylvania, short sighted and improvising step after step as always.


obama's low key reaction was correct in many ways.



and now back to the real issues, that'll beat clinton.

Does anyone know how many of the superdelegates are black? And if the CBC came out en bloc and declared that they were withdrawing their support from Clinton would her campaign be viable? If so then shouldn't we take our aim at the chinks in the Clinton armor: the CBC and Democrat congressional and campaign leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean? Because with the most recent attack on the black church it's clear that Hillary and Bill are playing get some. Yet if the CBC is in her corner, it makes it nearly impossible to have the charge of race baiting, except if she overtly called him a nigger, become an albatross around her neck.

I agree with ronnie b.


@terrence- no one on this site has ever asserted that back people are a monolith like the media has indicated.



our support of Sen Obama has to do with his politics, his leadership style, and the fact his experience as a person of color gives him crucial insight that Hillary does not have. The issue with Tubbs for me is that she has aligned herself wholly with Hillary in spirit and experience... Makes me wanna wretch watching her shuck and jive. I also want her to blot her cheap lipstick.

@ Terrence


As if this wasn't part of the Clinton camp strategy from the beginning. Of course, the token black witll clean up after the Ferraro comments AS PLANNED and keep this flame burning! WHY SO LONG? If this were sincere and unplanned I think she would have come out sooner! NOTHING going on in the Clinton camp is not strategic! Remember, this is the family that strategically planned for Chelsea to walk in the middle of Bill and Hillary to get on a helicopter after the Monica scandal! EVERY move is calculated!

I'd like to see Senator Obama call a mini-press conference; declare that none of this race-baiting is coming from him or his campaign; and then challenge the media to find the source(s) of it.


And then see how quickly these race-baiting distractions go away.

@terrence said


If Tubb-Jones had not spoken up against Ferraro, there would have been criticism, and now that she has spoken up on behalf of CBC Hillary supporters against Ferraro, she is (and they are) still catching flak.



You're right. I just don't like her. She's proven untrustworthy. There's pretty much nothing she can do at this point.

he's out of touch, claiming that all Dems will magically come back together in November despite what we've seen thusfar.


When folks talk about holding their nose to vote for her... or voting for the party, 'not liking it'...





she's right.

"when are you going to show all the results of the Limbaugh for Clinton votes results?"


They are single handedly keeping her alive in this race. In Mississippi, 25% of Clinton's vote was from Rush-the-vote. If those repubs hadn't crossed over, she would have been routed so badly that the party would have had no choice but to force her out. It would have been as clear a statement against her as SC was, after which the biggest superdeledgates moved to Barack.



I can only guess that this Ferraro flap will bring them out in larger numbers, maybe even bring out more racist democrat first time voters in Pennsylvania and the other remaining red states. Affirmative action proclamations and white racist labels floating around on every network, in every newspaper, and on every blog 24/7 must feel like Christmas in Spring to Billary.



The talking heads last night noted that outside of the Black community Ferraro is being heralded as "a gutsy woman who told the truth". We got bamboozled into helping the enemy with our predictable outrage, labels, and truthtelling (many people can't handle the truth so let's pick our battles wisely).

when are you going to show all the results of the Limbaugh for Clinton votes results?

Ferraro first made this comment on the J. Gibson radio show on February 26th. She repeated them on two separate documented occasions since then. This flap came into mainstream public purview one week ago. She has been trying to get traction for weeks. The Obama campaign gave Ferraro a pass on the racism and suggested moving on three days ago. Since that time, the Clintons have trickled out an ungracious, threatening resignation, Hillary's "tepid" but passive "disagree"ment with Ferraro's oft repeated hate speech, and various surrogates to falsely label the Obama campaign as active participants in their many race-baiting controversies PARTICULARLY when moving on would have occurred if they would stop with the insincere kumbaya pleas.


STJ and others' appearances on the scene after things are dying down makes one wonder if the goal is less to reject Ferraro's words (they don't seem to have a clear angst about her sentiments however) and more to keep this race dust up going because it ONLY hurts Obama. Billary aren't getting the non-bootlicking black vote back so she has nothing to lose and everything to gain.



The last thing we need before November 15th is to participate in race-baiting. It is a trap designed to work up the predictable fury that has us calling everyone racists (most often rightfully) and wanting people fired, which only keeps "race" on the forefront but more dangerously will cost Barack the whitehouse. When people are obviously playing us like pianos, it may be time to step back for a minute and only let them play themselves instead of giving whites (not necessarily the most racist ones but those who currently support Barack) any and every reason not to support the best candidate any longer. They need race antagonism to linger in the news for another five weeks and I don't want to help them with that quest. Just a thought.

MS.Martin,


Exactly!

Too little, too late.


She's calling on Obama's campaign to join her in something he's being asking for all along. Some strategy.



She is even more stupid than she has previously appeared if she thinks I'm going to get over what they've done and vote for the Democrats.

Look, if anyone said that if Clinton had not been first lady she would have never been considered as a candidate for U.S. Senator from New York - or even had a chance to be running for President, Tubb-Jones and the rest of the Clinton campaign would have lost their minds.


The issue with her is not that she in Clinton's camp, it's that she is willing to turn a blind eye to what the camp has been, and continues to do in relation to the issue of race. I have no respect at all for this woman.

"If Tubb-Jones had not spoken up against Ferraro, there would have been criticism, and now that she has spoken up on behalf of CBC Hillary supporters against Ferraro, she is (and they are) still catching flak".
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Terrence,



At some point Tubb-Jones has to figure out that people like Geraldine Ferraro are talking about people like her!! It ain't rocket science!

Congresswoman Stephanie Tubb Jones is a standup, articulate beautiful black woman with integrity.


If Tubb-Jones had not spoken up against Ferraro, there would have been criticism, and now that she has spoken up on behalf of CBC Hillary supporters against Ferraro, she is (and they are) still catching flak.



The hypocrisy astounds me. Some of you won't be satisfied unless 100% of blacks are voting for Obama.



Get over it, because it ain't gonna happen. Face it, black folks are not a monolith.

She should be outfitted for the Aunt Jemima box -----before the makeover.


She needs a primary challenger, because the commercials against her write themselves.



Someone needs to call her on this 50/50 BS. I don't see any Wiki with 45 incidents from Obama to Clinton. Doesn't exist. The list just wouldn't remotely be that long.



They need to shill that delusional BS that folks will come together for November. Ain't happening.

"Watching her is like picking your nose. It's nasty and wrong, but you just can't help it, and you know you want to look"!
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Just too funny!

I agree, she's really annoying and I really can't stand her


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