I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say “you helped this happen.”

two of the most respected men in the right wing machine, falwell and robertson, saying people like me ~ feminist, abortion-having, pagan in my time ~ caused 9/11.

madness. fuck these people.

a number of GOP tools, including tom delay, have made the connection between abortion and illegal immigration.

Tom DeLay: ” “If we had those 40 million children that were killed over the last 30 years, we wouldn’t need the illegal immigrants to fill the jobs that they are doing today. Think about it.”

Democratic traitor Zell Miller connects abortion with a lack of soldiers. This country needs more bodies to sacrifice on the altar of corporatism and greed.

it’s only a tiny leap in my mind from their view of abortion (as black genocide) to providing workers (slaves?) we now get from Mexico.

and when it comes down to Reverend Wright’s allegedly most wretched comments God damn America, never forget that the republican suckass tools Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell said this after 9/11:

JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we’ve been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters — the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats — what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact — if, in fact — God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

This is what we’re fighting, these insane religious zealots. God ~ the real one ~ help us all.

it’s frightening, because it’s true.

silent christians? wow, since when have christians been silent in america?

moral clarity, my ass. this is the man from the land of confusion.

always good to know who is for the klinton/maccain ticket.

in your original post you quoted from a “commenter”…that commenter was me and that is why I am responding here.

Of course there are individual Christians who are any number of things that don’t fit into the monolithic viewpoint of Christianity…homosexual Christians, Christian fornicators, Christian child-molesters, Christian warmongers etc…

But isn’t it equally silly to try and throw McCain under the bus for things his “religious endorser” said? I understand turnabout being fair play and all, but isn’t it a bit silly to bring this up?

I don’t recall having asked why “a small pocket of Christians within the population hasn’t deterred the oppression of Palestinians.” I raised the issue of Palestinian Christians to show that there are Christians who are not Zionists, or dispensationalists, or whatever. There are Christians, in short, who do not fit your caricature. (Catholic-Jewish relations, especially in recent years, are marked by amity and mutual respect.)

But I fear we’re both off-topic. The thread was originally about John McCain, and why he isn’t catching flak for the words of the pastors who have endorsed him.

You know most Palestinians are Muslim. You ask for an explanation of why a small pocket of Christians within the population hasn’t deterred the oppression of Palestinians. Note that while Christians believe Israel will play a role in end times, Christianity cares for Jews only in the sense of what role they will play in Christian end time prophecy. Remember, Jews do not believe Christ is the Messiah, and in that regard the two religions are at severe odds. Any Christian inspired interference in the Middle East is to help bring about end time prophecy.

This is one of the many ways in which religion has caused instability and suffering to justify it’s beliefs.

… perhaps because John Hagee isn’t his chosen pastor.

… perhaps because Rod Parsley isn’t his beloved spiritual mentor of over 20 years.

… perhaps because John Hagee didn’t officiate at either of his marriages.

… perhaps because Rod Parsley didn’t baptize his children.

… perhaps because neither Hagee nor Parsley preached a sermon that gave McCain the title for one of his books.

Another commenter wrote:

It is Christianity’s messianic beliefs that cause the inhumane treatment of the Palestinians

There are Palestinian Christians. How does one explain that?

McCain: http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/03/mccains-spiritual-guide-destroy-islam.html
Obama: http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/03/racist-congregation-cheering-racist.html

@anonymous 3:29pm, i believe it’s all about ‘if it bleeds, it leads’. mccain will get tripped up on something which his supporters and those called upon his supporters have a visceral disdain for. the war ain’t it. rapture-itis ain’t it. being in bed with lobbyists (however you wish to define that) ain’t it. his health ain’t it. so, what is left?

@the bag of health and politics, i don’t know what to say. :( different criteria at work?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0308/AntiObama_video_crafted_by_talk_radio_producer.html

IT’S THE STUPID MEDIA!
THE STUPID MEDIA THINKS WE ARE STUPID!

What’s the deal with Hillary’s “Nasty Pastorate?”

See article here:

/www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

I would be hesitant to start spreading this around but Barbara Ehrenreich strikes me as an intelligent reader and writer…

What do you think?

- KXB

I am tired of Haggee, Wright, Robertson and all the other purveyors of divisive, self-absorbed, ego driven, biblically inspired, destructive rhetoric.

How is it redemptive to tell kids the government has deliberately infected blacks with HIV? It seems to me this is more aimed at binding them with irrational fear rather than redeeming them. How is it beneficial for these “leaders” to tell rape victims they should carry the pregnancy of their attackers? It is Christianity’s messianic beliefs that cause the inhumane treatment of the Palestinians and our occupation of Muslim countries.