I find it very interesting and appalling, quite frankly, that you apparently think that it was okay for the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor killing thousands under the circumstance they did, but America was wrong to retaliate. Who are you, Michelle Obama? A deacon at Obama’s church? Come on now.

Yes, the loss of innocent lives and the lasting effects of wars are unfortunate, but it is preposterous, I think, to condone Japanese actions, but condemn the ultimate American response to Japanese aggression. It is not logical.

Furthermore, initially I never actually “justified” the action taken by the U.S., I simply offered that there was a cause and effect as to why America “Enola Gayed” the Japanese, which Rev. Wright omitted.

While aggression can be unpleasant, sometimes it is necessary. Nonetheless as I’ve said, war is hell.

Fri Mar 14, 07:54:00 AM 2008

Amen.

And this needs to stop, now.

Nothing in the world is enough to convince me that killing over 20,000 people (not to mention the aftereffects of having cancer, birth defects, and psychological damage) and raping women, children and men is justified because they killed 2,112 US service men. Those people’s lives weren’t more valuable than the people of Japan. I refuse this argument because it’s operating from a framework that does not contextualize exactly what was happening at that time in history.

So you’re right they fought, but it wasn’t just some attack out of no where. And if that same attack happened on American soil, and American people were killed by bombs, their cities destroyed, their bodies poisoned I doubt you’d be in such a position to say it was justified.

War is hell, but look at who that hell has been enacted against time and time again when the US is at the helm. Japan joining with the Germans was a strategic maneuver.. one that given the circumstances they felt they had to make, they were wrong to make. But what we did in Japan and have done in other countries is just as wrong and there’s nothing that has remotely happened on American soil that could justify that… if that’s the case then let’s keep those wars going and never let them die and have everyone we’ve reeked military havoc on come back and reek it on us and see how you like that argument.

We should not agree with the oppression of others, just because it benefits us. (Though Japan did bounce back fairly well.. and they are certainly not victims.. but what America did was an aggressive attack against them that the aftermath of the attack doesn’t at all support.)

The U.S. had not been involved in WWII until the Japanese instigated its involvement. Once WWII ended in Europe, the Japanese refused to completely surrender. As a result, the US bombed the Japanese into submission in order to end the war altogether. The U.S. didn’t bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki for recreation like Bush did Iraq. We (America) did it because the Japanese needed to surrender.

War is hell.

I wonder who is behind the EXCERPTS?

Controversial, code word for speaking truth to power.

Joe and Tweety and all the others are going to show those clips until Obama throws Rev. Wright under the bus.

With that said, I caught Morning Joe this morning and they showed excerpts from two of Rev. Wright’s speeches, and quite frankly I think the MSM is making a big deal out of nothing.

Do you know how many people of all races, creeds and religions have said that our foreign policy is the catalyst behind terrorism? PLENTY.

Also, what is wrong with him saying that Hillary was never called the N word and that she’s accepted because she comes from a white, priviledged background?

Of course, you can imagine what Joe and the other Howdy Doody looking white dude said about Rev. Wright. They made it look like he was Hitler, even going as far as warning parents to have their children leave the room because the clip of Wright they were about to play was soooo hateful.

But here’s what was really interesting: Mica said that she questioned why this has been brought up when Obama addressed Wright’s controversial sermons over a year ago. Joe’s response: “Well, a lot of people, like myself, didn’t think he had a chance of getting this far”.

Talk about exposing yourself, huh?

Who said otherwise?

“Welfare stereotypes, are just that stereotypes about who is on welfare, why they are there and their lives.”

Umm sweetheart, African-Americans/blacks have always been disproportionally on the welfare rolls. While the numbers of whites on welfare in raw numbers is higher, there have been a disproportionate number of minorities on the welfare rolls. The reasons are numerous, however many were on the rolls because they have been lazy asses. While Marian Wright Edelman’s program, The Children’s Defense Fund, is a noble one, of course she was going to complain about any changes that may adversely impact children. However, having children to grow up with welfare dependent parent(s), doesn’t help and hasn’t helped either. It is one of the reasons why portions of our community are in the shape they are in at the present. Let’s take responsibility for our role in the madness as well.

“Republican talking point just like what was done with Affirmative Action. Clinton also contributed to the demise of that also.”

Oh please, self-proclaimed Creole Ward Connerly has done more to cause the demise of Affirmative Action than Bill Clinton. Clinton only sought to “mend, not end” Affirmative Action while Connerly has sought to end it altogether. He still seeks to end it. Connerly’s and his cronies the ones you need to be directing your anger towards.

Resources
New York Times: Mend, Not End It
Bradley Backs Clinton On Affirmative Action

“When you reform something you should create jobs not sign NAFTA, you should make sure that there is quality childcare.”

Under the first Clinton Administration, black unemployment was at record lows. The impact of NAFTA has been felt the greatest during the Bush 2 Administration. Furthermore, it is not the job of the government to pay for your child’s day care. To me, that is such a typical “liberal” assertion. You had them. You take care of them. It’s not the role of the government to meet all of your personal needs – especially when you are not exercising good judgment. Again, exercise better judgment instead of having children that you cannot adequately care for. Regardless of race, assume personal responsibility and stop being a burden on taxpayers. I came from a working class family. My mother grew up poor, but she went to work for a meager wage. She worked hard and eventually made a decent salary. She encouraged me and my siblings to get our education. She encouraged me and my siblings to go to college or get viable careers, and we all did. Stop acting as if the government owes you.

“Under Clinton there was a loss of 1.5 million in affordable housing if not more.”

Under the first Clinton Administration, African-American home ownership rose to record highs. The highest in American history.

Quote:

“During his (Clinton) time in office, all the things that really mattered to most Americans improved — jobs and income — rose at all levels, crime reached record lows, homeownership reached record highs, teen pregnancy was down, educational achievement and college attendance were up. So, in black America the question is not why we love the man so much, but why you don’t.”

Source

“There is reason why welfare was created and the problems surrounding why many are so dependent still exists. We need to address it, fix it and then we can reform it. Ask Marian Edelman Wright of the Children Defense Fund who they threw under the bus.”

LOL! It was addressed, fixed and reformed.

“He signed the Omnibus Crime Bill go look it up. He cut colleges out of many prisons. College is a form of rehabilitation when the colleges left, the crime in prisons rose. Thats not it, there is more but do some research, I’m not going to spoon feed you.”

LOLOL! More liberal BS. The Omnibus Crime Bill was certainly not one Clinton’s crowning achievements. However, one does not necessarily go to jail to be “rehabilitated”. They go to jail to serve time for CRIMES they have committed. If we continuously educate our boys and girls (regardless of their social-economic position in life) about the importance of getting their education in the first place, we could minimize a lot of the adverse impact of such bills. Go to school and college – not jail to go to college.

“I cannot forgive him for dropping the ball on Rwanda in 94. I guess places like Kosovo and Ireland are more important.”

We (Americans) are damned if we do, and damned if we don’t. Oh please, be mad at the Rwandans. Ultimately, they were the one’s that butchered each other over bullshit. For the record, some East Europeans complained that the Clinton Administration didn’t respond fast enough to the slaughter that was happening there. Regardless, we cannot be the police of the world.

“I have always been skeptical of the Clintons. I was young when he was president however the minute I learned about him I knew better. I dont dislike him, hate him nothing like that but I am not putting him up on a pedestal. I surely dont owe him nor his wife.”

It’s your right to be skeptical, but in your skepticism try to be more objective. And while I voted for Clinton twice and Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, they have never been put on a pedestal by me. I put no man or woman on a pedestal. Humans are just that………Human!

“Support Clinton by all means but dont come to this forum with nonsense like blacks have said racist things to the Clintons etc etc etc…you sound dumb. All blacks ever did for the last 16 years was kiss their asses and praised them like Gods. I havent heard any racial remarks or even anything negative from the majority of them until they began injecting race into this election.”

Regardless, African-Americans/Blacks have been saying some hateful racist things about the Clintons. You sound not only dumb, but in major denial about this. But it’s all good and I really understand. Again, the truth is the truth, and truth can sting or even hurt really bad sometimes.

Unlike many on this page, I am not educated; however, I am not so ignorant or void of self pride that I could actually support Hillary Clinton. I also don’t understand how you or any human being with character could either. My lack of support for her and support for Mr. Obama has nothing to do with race and everything to do with choosing a leader with leadership qualities. It seems to me that Clinton only desires to lead angry, middle-aged white women;low-income, uneducated white men; and, Latinos. She figured she could spare a group as small as AAs especially when she could use them to bring so many others on board. She has continually sought certain groups out as a base and tends to play on their emotions. Playing the gender card for her is laughable. Especially when she plays mind games and appeals to weak emotions in the way that a conniving man would to conquer a woman. Poor Hillary. She’s sumpin like a p-i-m-p.

There is a very clear and apparent initiative to gain as many white votes as she can leading up to the Pennsylvania primary at any cost and to the detriment of many educated, intelligent, and capable African Americans. Her campaign has single-handedly started a national conversation about whether successful AAs are deserving of their status.

I won’t bother debating the obvious problems with the crack cocaine/powder cocaine sentencing differences, I’ll just ask you why he’s apologizing. for it now.

I will tell you though that he was banking on folks with mindsets such as yours who wouldn’t question the disparity. Afterall, who in their right mind would argue in defense of a criminal.

correction:
I meant to say “the same rules do not apply to Obama.”

It shouldn’t be this week, but soon, I think Rev. Wright should resign from Obama’s campaign. I think it’s wrong and sad that he must resign, but we have all acknowledged that the same rules do apply to Obama. If Clinton has leftist, radical black clergy in the tank, it will actually give her street cred (“look at her hanging out with Rev. X. She can’t be racist”). McCain can have people like Hagee and Parsley endorse him and that only shores up his base. Obama gains nothing by keeping Rev. Wright on his campaign—but he has everything to lose.

Now I’m not saying Obama should leave his church, particularly since Rev. Wright is retiring. I’m saying he needs to remove some of the ammo that the Repugs and the Clintons are using against him. Clinton will come out in a few weeks and say she’s let go of all the people who were divisive in her campaign and Obama needs to do the same. He can’t respond in kind by bringing up her radical clergy supporters because people will say he’s petty like Clinton, or that he claimed he would rise above politics as usual, and noew he’s engaging in the same behavior. Do we really need this leading up to Pennsylvania?

Obama is so close to the White House, do we want to see him lose this thing because Fixed News painted him as a black radical Muslo-christian or Clinton accuse him of not practicing what he preaches (I don’t think many of you understand how big this Ferraro thing is. There are a lot of white folks who feel that a feminist icon has been wronged. They have pinned this on Obama even though it was Ferraro’s big mouth that got her in this situation)?

As far as excuses, you seem to have many but no proof of your original aspersions against the Obama campaign. Voters are free to do and say as they please but don’t try to convolute voters as equivalent to Senator Obama or his campaign.

I thought your first post was an ignorant and cheap move but I won’t falsely attribute your actions and errors to the Clintons (or the McCains if that’s your preference) nor their campaign because to do so would be the height of disingenuousness and flaming stupidity.

OOO

Obama can pull PA. I live in New York. Hillary Clinton did not and I repeat did not win the Tri-State area, she took New York and New Jersey but she didnt take Connecticut!! That was big. Obama has the ability to go to a place and create excitement and I’m packing for Philly as we speak. I’m heading out there and I’m working the city to register people to vote. Then I will be there every weekend here on out!!
If you live near by PA we need as much hands on board.
Craig, I feel you. However Obama is not done…its the media’s distractions and spin thats making me frustrated and dizzy. Tune them out. Volunteer. We know know the truth and we must spread it.

” Ellis Island Black” today.

Sometimes, he just cracks me up.

I’ll continue my Twilight Zone moments…

WTF

do I have to listen to BLACK REPUBLICAN WOMEN-
Amy Holmes
Michelle Bernard

DEFEND BARACK OBAMA?

Please Explain this to me.

WHY
WHY
WHY

This just gets more bizarre by the moment. They disagree with Obama on the ISSUES, and state such, but DEFENDING Obama’s candidacy and what it means, and just poking holes in Billary with a brutality that could be written here at JJP.

All the while I’m subjected to the likes of Tubbs-Jones, shinning and grinning for Hillpatine.

RACISM IS BORM OF IGNORANCE AND FEAR! There will be takers of this in every race! Instead of you trying to enlighten us of reverse racism of ignorant Blacks “on the streets” why don’t you enlighten those who are unashamedly espousing racism in the media-people of power-law makers/politicians etc?!?! No one cares about the ignorant white racists on the streets! They are NOT running things just as ignorant racist Blacks on the streets are not!”

LOL! What have you not been COMPREHENDING? Sad. You’ve almost exacted my point. I would further clarify that regardless of one’s affiliation with either party, if one (regardless of race, ethnicity or gender) is “espousing” racist or sexist views they are no less guilty than the most popularly accused.

anonymous, part of your comment is so naive that it is DANGEROUS. Instead of responding with emotions please read and COMPREHEND.

Respectfully, I gotta disagree with ya on this one. Hillary needs more than a blowout in PA to catch up.

A big win in PA ain’t gonna do it for Clinton.

She’s down by over 700,000 popular votes and counting. Rumor has it that this number could get even higher when they tally the popular votes from the caucus states.

Plus Obama still looks strong in places like NC and OR.

She’s got an insurmountable deficit in pledged delegates.

She’s already lost the race for states.

The only way she gets this is through media spin, the super delegates, and deafening silence from us, the people.

Now, I know that this is possible. The Democrats could reverse the will of the people. But that would be political suicide.

Seriously, say goodbye to an entire generation of voters ages 18-30. Say goodbye to the black vote. Give liberal, “latte-sipping” voters an excuse to vote for Nader.

How does she win Ohio without the black vote in Cleveland and Cincinnati? How does she win PA without the black vote in Philadelphia? The list goes on and on.

Plus, the only real reason to choose Hillary over Barack would be out of some sense of loyalty to the Clinton name. Her big state myth has been debunked by numerous sources. Obama does better than her in head-to-head contests with McCain. Obama’s expanding the party while Hillary’s negatives are just as high (if not higher) than her positives. Forget a glass ceiling . . . Hillary’s got a cement ceiling and it’s due, in large part, to her divisive tactics.

She can spin all she wants. But a logical, sober look at the math says she’s a weaker candidate than Obama.

So, should the super delegates give her the nomination because she’s a “Clinton?” Tell that to those Democrats on the down ticket in red states. They ain’t voting for her. Like Bill did in ‘94, she risks losing Congress to the Republicans by 2010. Try passing universal health care when that happens.

Obama is far from done. In fact, I think he’s in a very strong position. And when we get out of the spin zone, he’s as strong as he’s ever been.

Plus, do-overs in Florida look like a dead issue because the state Dems just shot down the idea of a mail-in vote.

Bottom line. Hillary needs more than PA and she doesn’t have enough states left to get the job done.

So, the HRC fans are making a whole lot of nonsense while feeding the GOP free ammuniton more than anything else, no way will “that woman” be elected to the WH, and, if, she is the nominee, the GOP will go after her like they all the others they have combined, and she has nothing to stand on, other than tears and try and cry a la Gerri, sexism and get trounced, with my vote in the count against her.

Obama stands for hope, and, hope is still alive, no matter how hard HRC tries to steal the election. And, if she does knock off her race baiting, the DNC will forever be the step child of the two party system when blacks flee.