Why Are Hillary Supporters Race-Baiting on Talk Left?

With comments like this:

“I agree, the African American groups in the democratic party are given far too much power and attention.”

and this: ” that the AAs would bolt the party because “it’s their turn” to have the nominee. Excuse me, but I thought a person was supposed to vote for the most qualified person regardless of race, gender, religion, or sexual preference.

The AA’s are not the only constituency in the Democratic party; in fact, they are one of the smaller ones. So all this talk about their clout, their power, their rights to have an AA as the candidate is beyond pathetic.”

and worse to meditate over… i don’t know what to say. But I’m glad Unabogie brought it to people’s attention.

Nance, I think Hillary has fulfilled every negative stereotype of women. She only pretends to be feminist in order to mobilize women to vote for her.

I am disappointed that women who support her cannot see how she employs racism to hurt other women. What should black women tell their daughters about the race baiting and the negative effect it may have for years to come? Hillary employs any tactic against any group if it will translate to votes…don’t you see that? She has single-handedly – during the Primaries – done more to damage the progress women have made. What use is she to us if she is as vicious, cruel, selfish and dishonest and racist as the worst man?

For feminism to mean anything, a woman has to offer something different…sort of like what Barack is offering.

“it’s something the candidate i support has not done. he has not sought to sow seeds of division among women”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/is-obama-using.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-reardon/silence-is-assent-what-_b_86827.html

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/13/203015/414

http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/a-calumny-a-day-will-keep-hillary-away/

“claws,” “you’re likeable enough,” so-called mood swings, “drinking tea,” etc….

you can say a lot of things about obama, but please don’t tell me he hasn’t exploited and benefited from misogyny and women’s self-hate and cattiness in this election. because as a woman who–unlike many women these days–doesn’t hate other women, i can assure you that he has.

OOO

Dang, Texas will never end this caucus reporting! It is shameful.

also, for the record, i don’t think Rick’s ‘friend’ exists, but only because the way I read it Rick was actually plugging his book! through the ‘friend’. But that’s how it seemed on a first impression. Maybe the friend does exist.

Philip, I really wish there were another option

There is. Obama voters, volunteers and supporters put Billary in the dustbin of history. We ensure people of good conscience stop the smash ‘n grab.

Listen, we see the fix is in but let’s not quit. We can stop this from happening. I am just being a strategic thinker who is mostly cynical.

And what do people think of Rick Perlstein’s Apocalyptic Observations? A quote from a young friend of his in a rural town:

“Rick, if the Machine tries to give the Clintons the victory at the convention, I swear to God, Chicago’s going to look like a Sadie Hawkins dance. People my age are going to be throwing stones. We all have transportation — cell phones — disposable income — the Internet — free time — and Seattle as our example. Part of me is scared of a riot. Part of me isn’t. The nomination belongs to Obama. Do you think we’re going to let the Democratic Leadership Council take it? “God gave Noah the rainbow sign. No more water, fire next time.”

jon

1. Non-voting.

2. Vote Nader.

3. Vote McCain.

All of this talk about a Clinton/Obama ticket is a flirtation to distract Billary’s previous race-baiting and current smash ‘n grab. I reject and denounce it (LMAO). I think whoever believes it is a “monster”. And by the way, Jesse Jackson won S. Carolina in 1984 and 1988.

Neither Ted Kennedy, Durbin, Daley, or such others “made” Senator Obama. IF ANYONE “made” candidate Obama, it was Oprah. Furthermore, King, Kennedy, and ordinary Black folk actually delivered Civil Rights; Johnson basically signed a piece of paper.

OOO

It’s more like, as we say in Chicago, an Outfit(Mob).

The party bosses want to win. If they think Clinton/Obama can will (and I believe they do) then that’s what it will be.

Kennedy, Durbin, Daley, et al MADE Obama. Obama will get in line, wait his turn, and bring the party together. A woman AND a black man, it’s a dream come true for the old, white men pulling the strings.

Are none of you from Chicago?

Such an act would destroy Obama’s political career and send precisely the wrong message to African-Americans.

Obama has won all segments of the nominating process– pledged delegates, popular vote and states. His lead is insurmountable, and it’s not small either– he leads by nearly 150 pledged delegates after having won 11 consecutive states, including crucial swing states such as Virginia, Missouri, Delaware, Louisiana and Wisconsin!!!

Do you honestly think that Obama, the candidate selected by popular acclaim and reflected by the popular will, would be enough of a chump to just meekly swallow backroom deals and outright election theft by the Clintons? Let alone the race-baiting???

Obama would destroy everything that he and his movement have worked for by accepting a VP slot under Hillary– by meekly capitulating even as the true victor of the popular vote and the delegates, he would essentially be validating not only race-baiting (which would utterly preclude any minority from gaining elected office in the future, since we’d be hit by the same sort of campaign), but also outright election theft in backrooms by the Clintons. Overturning the popular will.

Blacks would hate Obama. Latinos who care about racial justice would hate him. And progressive Whites would hate him. And rightfully so. And we would never, ever support such a ticket– the angry protests and the general strikes would proceed regardless.

Obama isn’t stupid, and he knows this. The Kennedys and Dick Durbin aren’t stupid either– they know the Pandora’s Box they’d be opening by effectively forcing Obama to the back of the bus like this.

I notice how so many members of the media also distort the MI/FL fiasco by failing to point out the critical detail that OBAMA WAS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CAMPAIGN IN THOSE STATES AND WAS NOT EVEN ON THE BALLOT!!! Were the FL and MI delegates seated, then the disenfranchisement of their voters would be extreme, since they would have been denied the opportunity to even vote for Obama in the first place!

Were Hillary to be nominated by such chicanery, this would only expose the corruption at the heart of the Democratic Party, a corruption so severe that the party, frankly, would not be able to survive much longer.

It would be better for Obama, for the Party and the country for Obama to step aside rather than playing third fiddle behind Hillary and Bill Clinton– who, I’m sure, would be waiting with the political equivalent of unsheathed knives to kill him anyway even if he were “the running mate.” (Loyalty to backers is hardly a Clinton strong point.)

Let Hillary lose in catastrophic fashion to McCain, thus delivering the death blow to her campaign tactics and sending the message that they are inexcusable.

Obama should then run for governor in Illinois in the interim, further extend his support base, and then take on McCain in 2012, when– after nine years of war and catastrophic economic damage– he would be easily poised for a victory.

I think that Phillip has a very good point– were Hillary to be nominated under such circumstances, voting for McCain, for once in a rare blue moon, does make some sense, since it further hits home that Hillary has shattered the Democratic Party.

I’m not worried about McCain’s SCOTUS justices– he may be a nutcase on the Iraq War, but the Democrats will still thoroughly control the Senate simply by an artifact of this particular election (far more GOP seats up for grabs). So the Dems will make sure that McCain’s judicial appointments are at least moderate and even moderate-to-liberal. Even McCain is cool with that– he himself has been trashing Alito more than even most Democrats, he wants to be seen as “the consensus President” and so he leans in the direction of justices like David Souter, as he’s said in the past. Moderate-to-liberal in fact. The Dems in Congress would block any privatizing of Social Security, and they would also prevent any rushes to war. So I’m not worried about McCain, and while I haven’t made up my own mind– if the nom were indeed stolen from Obama, I could fully support casting a ballot for him to destroy the Clinton machine and send the painful, yet necessary message to the DNC.

In fact, I actually don’t see Hillary getting the nomination, she’s just much too far behind, and the repugnance of seating MI/FL delegates where the voters didn’t even have a chance to consider Obama, would indeed provoke rage beyond recognition. The superdelegates know this, and they’re not going to provoke such a rift in the party’s coalition.

Again, I suspect Hillary’s Plan B anymore– she resents Obama for snatching away from her, what she thought should be her own coronation, and so she’s doing everything she can to poison the well for Obama as the nominee. She’s finished politically, the anger against her is too deep, there’s going to be an ugly court case against her in October, plus those Clinton library files and the tax returns are going to be showing what likely constitutes criminal activity. So she’s finished, but she wants to bring down Obama and the Democratic Party with her.

Like I said, either Hillary’s Plan A or Plan B should provoke our furious response.

I agree that I don’t want to see riots, but I know that they will take place regardless. When you add in the race-baiting, the obvious disenfranchisement in California, New York and Nevada, the rage is too deep-seated not to have riots.

In fact, my own proposal above is a means to try to divert some of the destructive rage of riots, and channel it toward peaceful, yet firm and extremely devastating protests.

Firm and prolonged protests going well past November, and especially the general strikes– these would cripple the corrupt system enough to shock people into realizing the ruin at the heart of our system, and the need for major reform. They would also scare away international investors enough that the dollar would suffer a further collapse, making our war in Iraq untenable and forcing the necessary reckoning.

Again, either Hillary’s Plan A (theft of the nomination through chicanery– and I don’t care how much she talks up some BS about Obama as running mate) or Plan B (deliberately damaging Obama enough so as to throw victory in the general election to McCain) should be the trigger for the massive, sustained protests and the general strikes. We must stand our ground.

Blacks are being treated as the bottom b*tch — but if you mention it, you’ll get banned

From where? The blog?

I thought you were joking but who knows these days. People are using language as a way to punish peoples thoughts. I run into a lot of people who get all Rutgers on me when my right-wing words fly out my left-wing mouth.

Some folks are fine with us playing ourselves, though. It means we don’t have to take responsibility. We’re not good enough to take full responsibility, we’ll ‘mess up’ (like the brainwashing put into schoolchildren’s heads by southern apologists regarding Reconstruction).

After reading the DailyKos responses I think it is clearer than before. In the minds of white liberals, black voters are the bottom bitch. Until we demonstrate otherwise we’re playing ourselves.

I am most down with strategic non-voting. Do not vote straight ticket. But I don’t trust Nader. I don’t know what the Green candidates’ platforms are. I could only be persuaded to vote McCain in protest if I knew who his running mate would be — because McCain is obviously dying. His running mate is going to make a hell of a difference, to me. I won’t for him.

However, let precinct captains and Democratic operatives and pollsters know why you’re not voting. Say it loud, they screwed Barack.
I agree. I know people have been passing around democrat contact information in somewhat ‘unusual’ places. I hope that keeps up. People are watching, and they are not happy. They’re least happy that it’s coming from people they used to highly respect. It’s sinking in.

he earned the right to the top. that’s is key.

hillary… her ‘ohio’ comment about how it was Ohio who proved that she should be on top of a merged ticket…there goes my blood pressure again. and how telling that it was ohio that made that designation, not any of the 11 states Obama threw down on her; not even California and New York, where she ‘won’. No, it was Ohio. Where’s my Avapro?

Obama is a Democrat. A young, up and coming Democrat with strong ties to Kennedy, Durbin and other party elders. It is in his own self interest to accept as it will give him the experience that has been his major deficit. Hillary is going to beat McCain and if he doesn’t take the spot, where will he be in 8 years?

Do you really see him refusing? He’d be finished in the party. Unless he is seriously considering breaking from the party, what real choice does he have? Lose, decline the VP slot, and go back to the Senate? The VP slot is the fastest, proven way to the Presidency.

Neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to clinch the nomination by the convention. Hillary is laying the groundwork necessary to overtake him in the popular vote. She will win at a brokered convention because she will make sure Obama is too weakened to be viable.

As far as the ‘racist dogwhistles’ are concerned…

not seeing it.

‘there is more honor in obama’s approach’

A rationalization surely, for to deny that Obama is himself a politician challenges the entire argument you have against Clinton.

Furthermore, conflating Obama’s nomination with the larger issue of entrenched racism is bound to blow up in his and all of our faces.

It should especially apply if he is forced to the back of the bus. Blacks don’t support Barack just because he is black, so it is a mistake for the democratic party to assume that a black face on the bottom of a ticket that he earned the right to top will put black people back in line. Some Blacks who love to live on their knees for sure will jump at the chance to vote for Hillary under any circumstances but that is not a majority, in my experience.

Considering Barack’s leading in pledged delegates, popular votes and states won, what makes you think he would accept? I mean, why would he? What signs have indicated he’s going to other than him not saying, “Hell no!” to the questions of an Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama dream ticket.

I’m going to need a string of logic or empirical evidence.

I see no benefit for Obama accepting VP. He’d inherit all the Clinton baggage, thus losing independents, rogue Republicans and new voters. He’d be muzzled oratorically, Robin can’t outshine Batman. Thus, a dip in popularity for being the sidekick to a 51% Clinton presidency.

What does he get? Ask Al Gore, being the VP for Billary means you’re 3rd in command at the White House.

I’m sticking with my 3-tier strategy. Black America, either

1. non-voting
2. vote Nader
3. vote McCain

Does this strategy even apply if Obama takes the VP slot, which I think he will?