Comments on: If Hillary Gets To Claim Michigan And Florida, Denver Will Burn http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:23:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Get Laid Todayhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-2/#comment-546246 Get Laid Today Sat, 07 May 2011 20:53:24 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-546246 <strong>Great Info...</strong>Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most importan... Great Info…

Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people’s thinking. Don’t let the noise of other’s opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most importan…

]]> By: Miss Marmelsteinhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-2/#comment-6250 Miss Marmelstein Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:50:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6250 i'm with you. where do i sign up? i’m with you. where do i sign up?

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-2/#comment-6199 Anonymous Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:36:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6199 I have no idea if this is possible, but I read this backin Feb.<br/>about an Obama/Bloomberg ticket.<br/>http://www.armstrongwilliams.com/248066.ihtml<br/><br/>I also heard he would go for Gov of Illinois I have no idea if this is possible, but I read this backin Feb.
about an Obama/Bloomberg ticket.
http://www.armstrongwilliams.com/248066.ihtml

I also heard he would go for Gov of Illinois

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-2/#comment-6196 Anonymous Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:15:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6196 Barack needs to call a press conference and get everything out<br/>there instead of these daily little snippets. He need not be nasty; <br/>he just needs to be FORCEFUL! He could say he is tired of Hillary <br/>attacking his character and experience. He needs to set the agenda <br/>before the next primaries and stop letting her create the benchmarks;<br/>challenge her for a change! In the press conference he can address NAFTA, <br/>her 35 year lack of experience, her tax returns from previous years which <br/>are already completed, her campaign starting the Muslim emails,etc..... <br/>There is NO way to win when Hillary fights dirty and he remains nice! <br/>It's like playing scrabble with someone who keeps going to the bathroom to <br/>look in the dictionary and you continue to allow them to do that. He really <br/>needs to CRUSH her once and for all!<br/><br/>I posted this previously and I certainly hope he has a PLAN!<br/>Taking the High Road most certainly did not work for Al Gore<br/>or John Kerry. It is great that he appeals to intelligent<br/>people but he also must appeal to those of lesser intelligence.<br/>If he is not willing to be more forceful in this campaign,<br/>there are those who wonder how is he going to fight for this<br/>country! I am behind him 100% but someone(even a surrogate)<br/>needs to take the media back. Barack needs to call a press conference and get everything out
there instead of these daily little snippets. He need not be nasty;
he just needs to be FORCEFUL! He could say he is tired of Hillary
attacking his character and experience. He needs to set the agenda
before the next primaries and stop letting her create the benchmarks;
challenge her for a change! In the press conference he can address NAFTA,
her 35 year lack of experience, her tax returns from previous years which
are already completed, her campaign starting the Muslim emails,etc…..
There is NO way to win when Hillary fights dirty and he remains nice!
It’s like playing scrabble with someone who keeps going to the bathroom to
look in the dictionary and you continue to allow them to do that. He really
needs to CRUSH her once and for all!

I posted this previously and I certainly hope he has a PLAN!
Taking the High Road most certainly did not work for Al Gore
or John Kerry. It is great that he appeals to intelligent
people but he also must appeal to those of lesser intelligence.
If he is not willing to be more forceful in this campaign,
there are those who wonder how is he going to fight for this
country! I am behind him 100% but someone(even a surrogate)
needs to take the media back.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-2/#comment-6176 Anonymous Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:50:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6176 Unless I'm mistaken, Dennis Kucinich was also on the Michigan ballot. Unless I’m mistaken, Dennis Kucinich was also on the Michigan ballot.

]]> By: Tom Legradyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-2/#comment-6164 Tom Legrady Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:52:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6164 If Michigan and Ohio get a second chance to Vote, can Ohio have one, too? <br/><br/>After all, now that we know it was Hillary who phoned the Canadians to say all that talk about NAFTA was just campaigning ... If Michigan and Ohio get a second chance to Vote, can Ohio have one, too?

After all, now that we know it was Hillary who phoned the Canadians to say all that talk about NAFTA was just campaigning …

]]> By: abrahamhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-2/#comment-6154 abraham Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:09:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6154 Righteous! Righteous!

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-2/#comment-6145 Anonymous Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:30:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6145 Don’t believe one optimistic word from any public figure about the economy or humanity in general. They are all part of the problem. Its like a game of Monopoly. In America, the richest 1% now hold 1/2 OF ALL UNITED STATES WEALTH. Unlike ‘lesser’ estimates, this includes all stocks, bonds, cash, and material assets held by America’s richest 1%. Even that filthy pig Oprah acknowledged that it was at about 50% in 2006. Naturally, she put her own ‘humanitarian’ spin on it. Calling attention to her own ‘good will’. WHAT A DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE SLOB. THE RICHEST 1% HAVE LITERALLY MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Don’t fall for any of their ‘humanitarian’ CRAP. ITS A SHAM. THESE PEOPLE ARE CAUSING THE SAME PROBLEMS THEY PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT. Ask any professor of economics. Money does not grow on trees. The government can’t just print up more on a whim. At any given time, there is a relative limit to the wealth within ANY economy of ANY size. So when too much wealth accumulates at the top, the middle class slip further into debt and the lower class further into poverty. A similar rule applies worldwide. The world’s richest 1% now own over 40% of ALL WORLD WEALTH. This is EVEN AFTER you account for all of this ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS from celebrities and executives. ITS A SHAM. As they get richer and richer, less wealth is left circulating beneath them. This is the single greatest underlying cause for the current US recession. The middle class can no longer afford to sustain their share of the economy. Their wealth has been gradually transfered to the richest 1%. One way or another, we suffer because of their incredible greed. We are talking about TRILLIONS of dollars. Transfered FROM US TO THEM. Over a period of about 27 years. Thats Reaganomics for you. The wealth does not ‘trickle down’ as we were told it would. It just accumulates at the top. Shrinking the middle class and expanding the lower class. Causing a domino effect of socio-economic problems. But the rich will never stop. They will never settle for a reasonable share of ANYTHING. They will do whatever it takes to get even richer. Leaving even less of the pie for the other 99% of us to share. At the same time, they throw back a few tax deductable crumbs and call themselves ‘humanitarians’. Cashing in on the PR and getting even richer the following year. IT CAN’T WORK THIS WAY. Their bogus efforts to make the world a better place can not possibly succeed. Any 'humanitarian' progress made in one area will be lost in another. EVERY SINGLE TIME. IT ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK THIS WAY. This is going to end just like a game of Monopoly. The current US recession will drag on for years and lead into the worst US depression of all time. The richest 1% will live like royalty while the rest of us fight over jobs, food, and gasoline. Crime, poverty, and suicide will skyrocket. So don’t fall for all of this PR CRAP from Hollywood, Pro Sports, and Wall Street PIGS. ITS A SHAM. Remember: They are filthy rich EVEN AFTER their tax deductable contributions. Greedy pigs. Now, we are headed for the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time. SEND A “THANK YOU” NOTE TO YOUR FAVORITE MILLIONAIRE. ITS THEIR FAULT. I’m not discounting other factors like China, sub-prime, or gas prices. But all of those factors combined still pale in comparison to that HUGE transfer of wealth to the rich. Anyway, those other factors are all related and further aggrivated because of GREED. If it weren’t for the OBSCENE distribution of wealth within our country, there never would have been such a market for sub-prime to begin with. Which by the way, was another trick whipped up by greedy bankers and executives. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. The credit industry has been ENDORSED by people like Oprah, Ellen, Dr Phil, and many other celebrities. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. Now, there are commercial ties between nearly every industry and every public figure. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for their ‘good will’ BS. ITS A LIE. If you fall for it, then you’re a fool. If you see any real difference between the moral character of a celebrity, politician, attorney, or executive, then you’re a fool. WAKE UP PEOPLE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. The 1% club will always say or do whatever it takes to get as rich as possible. Without the slightest regard for anything or anyone but themselves. Reaganomics. Their idea. Loans from China. Their idea. NAFTA. Their idea. Outsourcing. Their idea. Sub-prime. Their idea. The commercial lobbyist. Their idea. The multi-million dollar lawsuit. Their idea. $200 cell phone bills. Their idea. $200 basketball shoes. Their idea. $30 late fees. Their idea. $30 NSF fees. Their idea. $20 DVDs. Their idea. Subliminal advertising. Their idea. Brainwash plots on TV. Their idea. Prozac, Zanex, Vioxx, and Celebrex. Their idea. The MASSIVE campaign to turn every American into a brainwashed, credit card, pharmaceutical, love-sick, couch potatoe, celebrity junkie. Their idea. All of the above shrink the middle class, concentrate the world’s wealth and resources, and wreak havok on society. All of which have been CREATED AND ENDORSED by celebrities, athletes, executives, entrepreneurs, attorneys, and politicians. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for any of their ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS. ITS A SHAM. NOTHING BUT TAX DEDUCTABLE PR CRAP. Bottom line: The richest 1% will soon tank the largest economy in the world. It will be like nothing we’ve ever seen before. and thats just the beginning. Greed will eventually tank every major economy in the world. Causing millions to suffer and die. Oprah, Angelina, Brad, Bono, and Bill are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE HUMANITARIAN. EXTREME WEALTH HAS MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. WITHOUT WORLD PROSPERITY, THERE WILL NEVER BE WORLD PEACE OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL. Of course, the rich will throw a fit and call me a madman. Of course, their ignorant fans will do the same. You have to expect that. But I speak the truth. If you don’t believe me, then copy this entry and run it by any professor of economics or socio-economics. Then tell a friend. Call the local radio station. Re-post this entry or put it in your own words. Be one of the first to predict the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time and explain its cause. WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE. Don’t believe one optimistic word from any public figure about the economy or humanity in general. They are all part of the problem. Its like a game of Monopoly. In America, the richest 1% now hold 1/2 OF ALL UNITED STATES WEALTH. Unlike ‘lesser’ estimates, this includes all stocks, bonds, cash, and material assets held by America’s richest 1%. Even that filthy pig Oprah acknowledged that it was at about 50% in 2006. Naturally, she put her own ‘humanitarian’ spin on it. Calling attention to her own ‘good will’. WHAT A DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE SLOB. THE RICHEST 1% HAVE LITERALLY MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Don’t fall for any of their ‘humanitarian’ CRAP. ITS A SHAM. THESE PEOPLE ARE CAUSING THE SAME PROBLEMS THEY PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT. Ask any professor of economics. Money does not grow on trees. The government can’t just print up more on a whim. At any given time, there is a relative limit to the wealth within ANY economy of ANY size. So when too much wealth accumulates at the top, the middle class slip further into debt and the lower class further into poverty. A similar rule applies worldwide. The world’s richest 1% now own over 40% of ALL WORLD WEALTH. This is EVEN AFTER you account for all of this ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS from celebrities and executives. ITS A SHAM. As they get richer and richer, less wealth is left circulating beneath them. This is the single greatest underlying cause for the current US recession. The middle class can no longer afford to sustain their share of the economy. Their wealth has been gradually transfered to the richest 1%. One way or another, we suffer because of their incredible greed. We are talking about TRILLIONS of dollars. Transfered FROM US TO THEM. Over a period of about 27 years. Thats Reaganomics for you. The wealth does not ‘trickle down’ as we were told it would. It just accumulates at the top. Shrinking the middle class and expanding the lower class. Causing a domino effect of socio-economic problems. But the rich will never stop. They will never settle for a reasonable share of ANYTHING. They will do whatever it takes to get even richer. Leaving even less of the pie for the other 99% of us to share. At the same time, they throw back a few tax deductable crumbs and call themselves ‘humanitarians’. Cashing in on the PR and getting even richer the following year. IT CAN’T WORK THIS WAY. Their bogus efforts to make the world a better place can not possibly succeed. Any ‘humanitarian’ progress made in one area will be lost in another. EVERY SINGLE TIME. IT ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK THIS WAY. This is going to end just like a game of Monopoly. The current US recession will drag on for years and lead into the worst US depression of all time. The richest 1% will live like royalty while the rest of us fight over jobs, food, and gasoline. Crime, poverty, and suicide will skyrocket. So don’t fall for all of this PR CRAP from Hollywood, Pro Sports, and Wall Street PIGS. ITS A SHAM. Remember: They are filthy rich EVEN AFTER their tax deductable contributions. Greedy pigs. Now, we are headed for the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time. SEND A “THANK YOU” NOTE TO YOUR FAVORITE MILLIONAIRE. ITS THEIR FAULT. I’m not discounting other factors like China, sub-prime, or gas prices. But all of those factors combined still pale in comparison to that HUGE transfer of wealth to the rich. Anyway, those other factors are all related and further aggrivated because of GREED. If it weren’t for the OBSCENE distribution of wealth within our country, there never would have been such a market for sub-prime to begin with. Which by the way, was another trick whipped up by greedy bankers and executives. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. The credit industry has been ENDORSED by people like Oprah, Ellen, Dr Phil, and many other celebrities. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. Now, there are commercial ties between nearly every industry and every public figure. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for their ‘good will’ BS. ITS A LIE. If you fall for it, then you’re a fool. If you see any real difference between the moral character of a celebrity, politician, attorney, or executive, then you’re a fool. WAKE UP PEOPLE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. The 1% club will always say or do whatever it takes to get as rich as possible. Without the slightest regard for anything or anyone but themselves. Reaganomics. Their idea. Loans from China. Their idea. NAFTA. Their idea. Outsourcing. Their idea. Sub-prime. Their idea. The commercial lobbyist. Their idea. The multi-million dollar lawsuit. Their idea. $200 cell phone bills. Their idea. $200 basketball shoes. Their idea. $30 late fees. Their idea. $30 NSF fees. Their idea. $20 DVDs. Their idea. Subliminal advertising. Their idea. Brainwash plots on TV. Their idea. Prozac, Zanex, Vioxx, and Celebrex. Their idea. The MASSIVE campaign to turn every American into a brainwashed, credit card, pharmaceutical, love-sick, couch potatoe, celebrity junkie. Their idea. All of the above shrink the middle class, concentrate the world’s wealth and resources, and wreak havok on society. All of which have been CREATED AND ENDORSED by celebrities, athletes, executives, entrepreneurs, attorneys, and politicians. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for any of their ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS. ITS A SHAM. NOTHING BUT TAX DEDUCTABLE PR CRAP. Bottom line: The richest 1% will soon tank the largest economy in the world. It will be like nothing we’ve ever seen before. and thats just the beginning. Greed will eventually tank every major economy in the world. Causing millions to suffer and die. Oprah, Angelina, Brad, Bono, and Bill are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE HUMANITARIAN. EXTREME WEALTH HAS MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. WITHOUT WORLD PROSPERITY, THERE WILL NEVER BE WORLD PEACE OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL. Of course, the rich will throw a fit and call me a madman. Of course, their ignorant fans will do the same. You have to expect that. But I speak the truth. If you don’t believe me, then copy this entry and run it by any professor of economics or socio-economics. Then tell a friend. Call the local radio station. Re-post this entry or put it in your own words. Be one of the first to predict the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time and explain its cause. WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.

]]> By: rikyrahhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-2/#comment-6138 rikyrah Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:50:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6138 nita,<br/><br/>McCain/Bloomberg <br/><br/>just one of those floated items, and IMO, if the race-baiting fear monger steals it, it would be the coup-de-grace by McCain, almost insuring him The Presidency. <br/><br/>Because, he wouldn't need to worry about the conservative base coming out for him - Hillpatine would do that for him.<br/><br/>And, between him and Bloomberg- who would substantially fortify his lack of economic policy forte,<br/>they would drive a truck through the suburbs up and down the East Coast. ....and CALIFORNIA. nita,

McCain/Bloomberg

just one of those floated items, and IMO, if the race-baiting fear monger steals it, it would be the coup-de-grace by McCain, almost insuring him The Presidency.

Because, he wouldn’t need to worry about the conservative base coming out for him – Hillpatine would do that for him.

And, between him and Bloomberg- who would substantially fortify his lack of economic policy forte,
they would drive a truck through the suburbs up and down the East Coast. ….and CALIFORNIA.

]]> By: Admiral Komackhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6129 Admiral Komack Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:50:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6129 I've read the post.<br/>I suspect those who are complaining about the post simply don't want to deal with what you have said and would rather act like Bevis & Butthead:<br/><br/>-Hee ,hee, hee, he said Denver burn.<br/><br/>Hee, hee, hee, that's not cool.<br/><br/>If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, get used to saying "President McCain." I’ve read the post.
I suspect those who are complaining about the post simply don’t want to deal with what you have said and would rather act like Bevis & Butthead:

-Hee ,hee, hee, he said Denver burn.

Hee, hee, hee, that’s not cool.

If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, get used to saying “President McCain.”

]]> By: Nitahttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6078 Nita Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:23:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6078 @Nonie, I'd love to, but I got banned in December.<br/><br/>I'd push for blacks designating themselves as Independent instead of Democrat (or Republican) as the symbolic 'riot in denver'. I completely agree with Ronnie B and Jonzee and AC's posts.<br/><br/>THAT is a riot that cannot be used against Obama supporters and blacks negatively. It would be a riot against what the Clintons represent and what they are willing to do to the party.<br/><br/>Independent.<br/><br/>If I had the skills (and weren't banned) I'd do a political parody of Webbie's hit song on this matter and put it up on Daily Kos and DU on the thread. @Nonie, I’d love to, but I got banned in December.

I’d push for blacks designating themselves as Independent instead of Democrat (or Republican) as the symbolic ‘riot in denver’. I completely agree with Ronnie B and Jonzee and AC’s posts.

THAT is a riot that cannot be used against Obama supporters and blacks negatively. It would be a riot against what the Clintons represent and what they are willing to do to the party.

Independent.

If I had the skills (and weren’t banned) I’d do a political parody of Webbie’s hit song on this matter and put it up on Daily Kos and DU on the thread.

]]> By: Nitahttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6076 Nita Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:17:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6076 @no blood for hubris, DNC made a rule. Obama followed the rules.<br/><br/>If following the rules is a sucker move in your world... if having respect for the rules is a sucker move in your world... if putting the PARTY before one's own personal AMBITIONS is a sucker move in your world....<br/><br/>hold up, i gotta stop, my blood pressure is going up again. @no blood for hubris, DNC made a rule. Obama followed the rules.

If following the rules is a sucker move in your world… if having respect for the rules is a sucker move in your world… if putting the PARTY before one’s own personal AMBITIONS is a sucker move in your world….

hold up, i gotta stop, my blood pressure is going up again.

]]> By: No Blood for Hubrishttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6047 No Blood for Hubris Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:25:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6047 Oh, and which candidate decided he did not wish to be on the ballot?<br/><br/>Uh . . . welcome to karma = cause and effect. Oh, and which candidate decided he did not wish to be on the ballot?

Uh . . . welcome to karma = cause and effect.

]]> By: Seth Pearcehttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6045 Seth Pearce Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:12:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6045 Yes! Yes!

]]> By: Mama Hearts Obamahttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6044 Mama Hearts Obama Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:03:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6044 The most powerful (and most truthful) blog post I have read this campaign season. The most powerful (and most truthful) blog post I have read this campaign season.

]]> By: Tiffanyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6039 Tiffany Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:41:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6039 Hey, this post has made Raw Story. Hey, this post has made Raw Story.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6038 Anonymous Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:26:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6038 @ - Anon Thu Mar 06, 01:20:00 PM 2008 who wrote <i>There is NO way to win when Hillary fights dirty and he remains nice! It's like playing scrabble with someone who keeps going to the bathroom to look in the dictionary and you continue to allow them to do that. He really needs to CRUSH her once and for all!</i><br/><br/>I am heartbroken and furious at the game the Clintons are playing and the system they are playing it to support:<br/><br/>The real energy and potential power Senator Obama has raised will not serve him if (when) he begins to play by her rules and mode of engagement. At that point he is essentially getting publicly remade in the image of the monster that his focus on change was opposed to. <br/><br/>At that point he relinquishes the true power and edge he had, the thing that scares the powers that be. The thing that moved so many people despite the similarity of many of their policy positions. <br/><br/>Clinton is winning by setting the terms in this ugly mode, and he will not truly win on the terms she sets. If he does succeed on those terms in winning the presidency, he will not be serving the energy he raised in the first place that has had such power.<br/><br/>I feel like the fight is over, doors swinging closed. I hear it in the ... word? strain? ... in his voice (started hearing it either Monday or Tuesday actually) -- the move into her terms, the place where he cannot persist as he began, where he becomes another candidate who has been processed through and made acceptable to the powers that be.<br/><br/>Seeing how it is has been unfolding -- I now have a sense of this whole thing as a sort of ritual of showing people how intrinsically wrong US electoral politics really is -- raising hopes and collective spirit only to show that this Black man who does this must be visibly and publicly broken, and HARD. The final insult in such a scenario will be getting his supporters to vote for him after he has been broken and remade. <br/><br/>And the thing is, I would still vote for him under those circumstances but it would hurt me to do it and it would be an act of deep despair. <br/><br/>And also, I would set myself on fire before voting for Hillary Clinton under ANY circumstances. She is a walking horror, made more horrible by the fact that she is not deviant but is playing her role for the system to perfection. @ – Anon Thu Mar 06, 01:20:00 PM 2008 who wrote There is NO way to win when Hillary fights dirty and he remains nice! It’s like playing scrabble with someone who keeps going to the bathroom to look in the dictionary and you continue to allow them to do that. He really needs to CRUSH her once and for all!

I am heartbroken and furious at the game the Clintons are playing and the system they are playing it to support:

The real energy and potential power Senator Obama has raised will not serve him if (when) he begins to play by her rules and mode of engagement. At that point he is essentially getting publicly remade in the image of the monster that his focus on change was opposed to.

At that point he relinquishes the true power and edge he had, the thing that scares the powers that be. The thing that moved so many people despite the similarity of many of their policy positions.

Clinton is winning by setting the terms in this ugly mode, and he will not truly win on the terms she sets. If he does succeed on those terms in winning the presidency, he will not be serving the energy he raised in the first place that has had such power.

I feel like the fight is over, doors swinging closed. I hear it in the … word? strain? … in his voice (started hearing it either Monday or Tuesday actually) — the move into her terms, the place where he cannot persist as he began, where he becomes another candidate who has been processed through and made acceptable to the powers that be.

Seeing how it is has been unfolding — I now have a sense of this whole thing as a sort of ritual of showing people how intrinsically wrong US electoral politics really is — raising hopes and collective spirit only to show that this Black man who does this must be visibly and publicly broken, and HARD. The final insult in such a scenario will be getting his supporters to vote for him after he has been broken and remade.

And the thing is, I would still vote for him under those circumstances but it would hurt me to do it and it would be an act of deep despair.

And also, I would set myself on fire before voting for Hillary Clinton under ANY circumstances. She is a walking horror, made more horrible by the fact that she is not deviant but is playing her role for the system to perfection.

]]> By: Noniehttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6035 Nonie Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:55:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6035 It's over there at <a HREF="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/6/16248/47694/185/470696" REL="nofollow"> DailyKos </a> right now. Y'all go over and give him some love - he's getting slammed! It’s over there at DailyKos right now. Y’all go over and give him some love – he’s getting slammed!

]]> By: justice58http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6027 justice58 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:55:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6027 AC,<br/><br/>Yup! And There you have it! AC,

Yup! And There you have it!

]]> By: achttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/if-hillary-gets-to-claim-michigan-and-florida-denver-will-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-6024 ac Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:41:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=923#comment-6024 @anon at 1:05pm. "Stick to the plan" is a reference to an earlier comment in another thread where Ronnie B suggested that instead of allowing ourselves to be taken for granted that, if the worst comes to pass, we all go independent. <br/><br/>That's independent, not Republican. In fact, immediately aligning ourselves with any party defeats the beauty and simplicity of Ronnie B's plan. As is, we are the base of the Democratic party, they need us to carry the day. But what if we held ourselves as a block of independent voters - whichever party wanted to prevail would have to "court" us. I guarantee you, if they had to court us we would see a change in attitude and tatics right quick.<br/><br/>But that's Plan B - Plan A is to win this bad boy. To that end we need to make sure we spend as much time doing whatever the campaign needs: donating, recruiting, etc., to make sure we stay in this to win this. It ain't over yet and nothing good can come of allowing all HRC's negativity to sap the positive energy and momentum (yes I said MOMENTUM) that Obama has as the front runner in this primary. He's on top and we need to keep him on top - open up that lead and leave her behind.<br/>GO OBAMA!! @anon at 1:05pm. “Stick to the plan” is a reference to an earlier comment in another thread where Ronnie B suggested that instead of allowing ourselves to be taken for granted that, if the worst comes to pass, we all go independent.

That’s independent, not Republican. In fact, immediately aligning ourselves with any party defeats the beauty and simplicity of Ronnie B’s plan. As is, we are the base of the Democratic party, they need us to carry the day. But what if we held ourselves as a block of independent voters – whichever party wanted to prevail would have to “court” us. I guarantee you, if they had to court us we would see a change in attitude and tatics right quick.

But that’s Plan B – Plan A is to win this bad boy. To that end we need to make sure we spend as much time doing whatever the campaign needs: donating, recruiting, etc., to make sure we stay in this to win this. It ain’t over yet and nothing good can come of allowing all HRC’s negativity to sap the positive energy and momentum (yes I said MOMENTUM) that Obama has as the front runner in this primary. He’s on top and we need to keep him on top – open up that lead and leave her behind.
GO OBAMA!!

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