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From: Blacks 4 Barack


WOW ! Hillary's Religion

'THE FAMILY' Very Scary !

Steven G. Brant



Say Hillary, What About The Religious "Family"

You Have Chosen To Be Part Of ?



"You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend." said Hillary Clinton, to reporters and editors of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review on Tuesday the 25th.

This is an interesting choice of words, since -- while we mostly hear about her Methodist upbringing -- Hillary Clinton has chosen to associate herself with The Family (also known as the Fellowship), a very conservative, fundamentalist organization started by Abraham Vereide...

"...an immigrant preacher who in 1935 organized a small group of businessmen sympathetic to European fascism, fusing the Far Right with his own polite but authoritarian faith. From that core, Vereide built an international network of fundamentalists who spoke the language of establishment power, a "family" that thrives to this day. In public, they host prayer breakfasts; in private they preach a gospel of "biblical capitalism," military might, and American empire. Citing Hitler, Lenin, and Mao, Doug Coe, the Family's current leader, declares, "We work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."



This quote is taken from the book on The Family by the same name which will be published in May... a book which claims to

"...dramatically challenge conventional wisdom about American fundamentalism, revealing its crucial role in the unraveling of the New Deal, the waging of the Cold War, and the no-holds-barred economics of globalization. The question Sharlet believes we must ask is not "What do fundamentalists want?" but "What have they already done?"

A long article was written about Hillary Clinton's participation in this organization last September in Mother Jones, and The Family, itself, was the subject of an extensive article in Harper's in March of 2003. And on March 21st, The Nation published an article on Hillary and The Family by Barbara Ehrenreich that was published on The Huffington Post and CBS News' web site.







The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power - cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells."...wrote Ms.Ehrenreich.







Is it possible that Hillary's participation in this fundamentalist group -- which apparently preaches the "gospel of military might" -- would help explain her vote in favor of authorizing President Bush to attack Iraq? Is it possible her pro-NAFTA stance during her husband's administration comes from its embrace of "the no-holds-barred economics of globalization"? Is it possible that the sense some get that Hillary feels entitled to be president comes in part from this group's belief that "it's only the elites who matter"?







I encourage any reporter covering Hillary's campaign to ask her about all this.

At a time when so many people are wondering what sort of effect the Rev. Wright's sermons may have had on Barack Obama, I think it's only fair to ask what sort of effect The Family's fundamentalist mission has had - and continues to have - on Hillary Clinton. We know that

George Bush engages in truly fundamentalist thinking. There is no person or new information capable of challenging his belief that what he already knows is right. Is Hillary Clinton like this in some way? I am not sure.



But the opinion I have formed from this is that - while Hillary Clinton may be considered a Liberal by many - on the inside she is a deeply Conservative person... possibly as close to being a Republican today as she was when she was a young woman supporting Senator Goldwater. This helps explain, to me, why she and John McCain are such good friends. They are both drawn to the use of military power and free market capitalism... and to taking money from lobbyists. The other opinion I have formed is that those who say there are no policy differences between Hillary and Barack haven't taken into account how their religious differences might impact the policies they would actually seek to implement as president.





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It was not a protest...it was borne out of a desire to understand, perhaps an expression of solidarity. Trinity is described as a "black" church. I guess they feel if they migrate from their "white" church and join the Trinity congregation on a Sunday, it is a statement against polarization. I suppose it is similar to many people temporarily adopting the middle name Hussein to take away it's sting.


In any event, it seems Barack put out an invitation for people to visit Trinity in one of his stumps.



I think we need less religion, not more. But, whatever floats your boat.

@Truthseeker: At the same time, groups of white Obama supporters are making "pilgrimages" to Trinity in an effort to "desegregate" churches.


Ugh, what?! I have no cognitive understanding of the significance of what these white Obama supporters are doing with that but reading about it just feels like ... "ugh, what?"



What is that about?

I'm ticked off at the frivolous use of the word "lynch" in describing perceived attack. I was looking at some pictures of burned, mutilated and hanged bodies of blacks on Google images and I'm pretty sure that what was happening to Kwame, Clinton and Thomas was NOT a lynching.


What a way for those black supposed figures of authority to dishonour our ancestors who were lynched. Then I hear whites using the term to describe disaster of their own making. This is why I believe authority figures must be questioned...and sometimes booed. The Toni Morrison's, the Maya Angelou's, the Clarence Thomas's the Rev. Wright's..on and on. Where does their authority and wisdom come from? Do they really speak for us? They don't seem to have any wisdom.

I'm so proud of people questioning so-called authority figures!...booing them even!


Sigh, though after reading those accounts, I see that Hillary has this extraordinary knack for causing division even between ordinary people. Fellow Texans now hate each other because of convention tactics. It really is unfortunate. At the same time, groups of white Obama supporters are making "pilgrimages" to Trinity in an effort to "desegregate" churches. Our lives depend on questioning those who would have authority over us..Preachers and Politicians alike. It's an exciting time.

I saw a phone/camera video of a Texas convention and the crowd booed Sheila Jackson Lee during much of her address.


They even booed when she invoked Maya Angelou.



It was intense.

Read some interesting stuff about what happened in Texas.




And Fattah was a breath of fresh air.

Apparently Hillary tried to disenfranchise voters in Texas.


Here's a link to an article on Hillary's dirty tricks in Texas.



Money quote:

One of the Clinton delegates from her group challenged the validity of entire precincts. One of the precincts she challenged was almost entirely African American. Towards the end, after this group was credentialed they came by and shook their fists at the Clinton delegate and chanted "we're still here" in her face. My mom said it was a little tense.

Chaka Fattah just put in down on Hard Ball.


A new gallup poll says that both Democrats (59%) and Republicans (64%) believe Obama is tougher to beat than Hillary Rodham Nixon.



It's time for superdelegates to move.

Thanks for linking this bro. It's pretty lively over there--especially under Glenn Loury's post. Still, it's mostly positive. We really need to do this sort of thing more.