<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: CENTCOM Commander, Admiral William Fallon Resigns-Perk Up Those Ears for the Drumbeats</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/centcom-commander-admiral-william-fallon-resigns-perk-up-those-ears-for-the-drumbeats/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/centcom-commander-admiral-william-fallon-resigns-perk-up-those-ears-for-the-drumbeats/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:13:11 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: submariner</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/centcom-commander-admiral-william-fallon-resigns-perk-up-those-ears-for-the-drumbeats/comment-page-1/#comment-6676</link> <dc:creator>submariner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=944#comment-6676</guid> <description>D. you need to go back to your homework, and not the high school or college kind either. Even a cursory appraisal of the Iraq War will show you that military elites wanted no such endeavor, however, they were strongarmed by civilians. In our system of governance the military is always subservient to policymakers. I would refer you to The Best and the Brightest by David Halberstam as the classic exegesis of deliberate war making by civilians. Even in his Personal Memoirs, Ulysses S. Grant relays how policymakers in Washington ordered US Army troops to the Texas border on a pretext to provoke the Mexixcan War. So don&#039;t tell me that civilians genuflect to the recommendations of the military. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Notwithstanding HRC&#039;s race-baiting, the most important story is this one posted by Rikyrah. Like the EADS contract for USAF refeulers and this one, it is the underreported story that is of most significance. It&#039;s not that we will go to war with Iran next week or next month. It&#039;s just that all the assets are being moved into place such that it makes an unstable situation even worse. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the utility of war, we are a war socialist economy so the costs is a relative term. Some sectors benefit greatly from such activity. Check out http://subrealism.blogspot.com/ for some more on this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D. you need to go back to your homework, and not the high school or college kind either. Even a cursory appraisal of the Iraq War will show you that military elites wanted no such endeavor, however, they were strongarmed by civilians. In our system of governance the military is always subservient to policymakers. I would refer you to The Best and the Brightest by David Halberstam as the classic exegesis of deliberate war making by civilians. Even in his Personal Memoirs, Ulysses S. Grant relays how policymakers in Washington ordered US Army troops to the Texas border on a pretext to provoke the Mexixcan War. So don&#8217;t tell me that civilians genuflect to the recommendations of the military.</p><p>Notwithstanding HRC&#8217;s race-baiting, the most important story is this one posted by Rikyrah. Like the EADS contract for USAF refeulers and this one, it is the underreported story that is of most significance. It&#8217;s not that we will go to war with Iran next week or next month. It&#8217;s just that all the assets are being moved into place such that it makes an unstable situation even worse.</p><p>As for the utility of war, we are a war socialist economy so the costs is a relative term. Some sectors benefit greatly from such activity. Check out <a href="http://subrealism.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://subrealism.blogspot.com/</a> for some more on this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: D.</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/centcom-commander-admiral-william-fallon-resigns-perk-up-those-ears-for-the-drumbeats/comment-page-1/#comment-6637</link> <dc:creator>D.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=944#comment-6637</guid> <description>Telling your enemies that you&#039;re coming to attack them isn&#039;t helpful to ANY military commander. Neither is telling your enemies that you&#039;re going to &quot;have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months,&quot; but I digress.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t think that anyone who truly understands the essence of war and its cost wants another one. I also think that those who have no idea about what it takes to go to war are quick to &quot;hear the drums&quot; in events that have nothing to do with going to war. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We&#039;re not going to war with Iran. Hell, the chairman of the JCS is against it. Say what you want about President Bush, but if his entire military leadership tells him it&#039;s a bad idea to go into Iran, guess what: &lt;i&gt;it won&#039;t happen.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have a deep respect for ADM Fallon, but his comments in that interview were somewhat out of line. It&#039;s almost in line with what McArthur did during the Korean war (a move in which he was removed from command).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling your enemies that you&#8217;re coming to attack them isn&#8217;t helpful to ANY military commander. Neither is telling your enemies that you&#8217;re going to &#8220;have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months,&#8221; but I digress.</p><p>I don&#8217;t think that anyone who truly understands the essence of war and its cost wants another one. I also think that those who have no idea about what it takes to go to war are quick to &#8220;hear the drums&#8221; in events that have nothing to do with going to war.</p><p>We&#8217;re not going to war with Iran. Hell, the chairman of the JCS is against it. Say what you want about President Bush, but if his entire military leadership tells him it&#8217;s a bad idea to go into Iran, guess what: <i>it won&#8217;t happen.</i></p><p>I have a deep respect for ADM Fallon, but his comments in that interview were somewhat out of line. It&#8217;s almost in line with what McArthur did during the Korean war (a move in which he was removed from command).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Submariner</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/centcom-commander-admiral-william-fallon-resigns-perk-up-those-ears-for-the-drumbeats/comment-page-1/#comment-6635</link> <dc:creator>Submariner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=944#comment-6635</guid> <description>This is a very, very dangerous and unsteady posture to assume. A classic Gulf of Tonkin move: create a provocation to incite Iran and turn to the American public and say, &quot;See what they did?&quot; And launch a &#039;just&#039; war. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is why people who say that there is no difference between Dems and Repubs or Hillary and Barack are wrong. The commander-in-chief reference that she dropped last week was a thinly veiled expression for willingness to go to war. &lt;b&gt;That&lt;/b&gt; is why Hillary put herself and McCain ahead of Obama and why she will &lt;b&gt;never&lt;/b&gt; be the nominee. Nancy Pelosi has practically ruled Hillary out. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is some serious jockeying among the elites right now. The outcome is no longer in the voters hands. The Dems are in the tenuous position of extirpating the hawks in their midst. Hard to do this without disemboweling itself, to be sure. The chess match isn&#039;t just between the candidates but what they represent. The Dean and Pelosi wing will never countenance the Clintons. That is why Lieberman had to go and Hillary has to go. But you can&#039;t just expel them. This is Shakespearean drama being played out in real life: King Richard the Second(Clinton) versus Bolingbroke (Obama).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very, very dangerous and unsteady posture to assume. A classic Gulf of Tonkin move: create a provocation to incite Iran and turn to the American public and say, &#8220;See what they did?&#8221; And launch a &#8216;just&#8217; war.</p><p>This is why people who say that there is no difference between Dems and Repubs or Hillary and Barack are wrong. The commander-in-chief reference that she dropped last week was a thinly veiled expression for willingness to go to war. <b>That</b> is why Hillary put herself and McCain ahead of Obama and why she will <b>never</b> be the nominee. Nancy Pelosi has practically ruled Hillary out.</p><p>There is some serious jockeying among the elites right now. The outcome is no longer in the voters hands. The Dems are in the tenuous position of extirpating the hawks in their midst. Hard to do this without disemboweling itself, to be sure. The chess match isn&#8217;t just between the candidates but what they represent. The Dean and Pelosi wing will never countenance the Clintons. That is why Lieberman had to go and Hillary has to go. But you can&#8217;t just expel them. This is Shakespearean drama being played out in real life: King Richard the Second(Clinton) versus Bolingbroke (Obama).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/centcom-commander-admiral-william-fallon-resigns-perk-up-those-ears-for-the-drumbeats/comment-page-1/#comment-6633</link> <dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=944#comment-6633</guid> <description>See video: &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRdf4GpFzlM&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=FAEBFDB43DEC4893&amp;index=0&amp;playnext=1&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Fallon&#039;s Resignation is Frightening&lt;/a&gt; Defense Secretary Robert Gates did not have to accept Admiral Fallon&#039;s resignation. &quot;The military people think basically that Admiral Fallon was PUSHED OUT&quot; - Mark Thompson Time Magazine National Security Correspondent&lt;br/&gt;Fallon is described as &quot;the one person in the military or Pentagon standing between the White House and war with Iran.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See video: <a HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRdf4GpFzlM&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=FAEBFDB43DEC4893&#038;index=0&#038;playnext=1" REL="nofollow">Why Fallon&#8217;s Resignation is Frightening</a> Defense Secretary Robert Gates did not have to accept Admiral Fallon&#8217;s resignation. &#8220;The military people think basically that Admiral Fallon was PUSHED OUT&#8221; &#8211; Mark Thompson Time Magazine National Security Correspondent<br />Fallon is described as &#8220;the one person in the military or Pentagon standing between the White House and war with Iran.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mimi</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/centcom-commander-admiral-william-fallon-resigns-perk-up-those-ears-for-the-drumbeats/comment-page-1/#comment-6631</link> <dc:creator>Mimi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=944#comment-6631</guid> <description>I  think Fallon was forced to &quot;resign&quot; because he  opposed the surge in Iraq, and frequently insisted the US should avoid a confrontation with Iran. Fallon called out the Bushie adminstration&#039;s officials’ warmongering rhetoric “not helpful&quot; and an attack on Iran won&#039;t &quot;happen on his watch&quot; ....so what does this all mean? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yep, we&#039;re going to another war! why?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bush and Cheyney might start a nuclear war, so a black man or a white woman have no way of winning an election...they want Bush the &lt;br/&gt;3rd on board for their attack plan....say hello to President McCain!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lord help us all!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  think Fallon was forced to &#8220;resign&#8221; because he  opposed the surge in Iraq, and frequently insisted the US should avoid a confrontation with Iran. Fallon called out the Bushie adminstration&#8217;s officials’ warmongering rhetoric “not helpful&#8221; and an attack on Iran won&#8217;t &#8220;happen on his watch&#8221; &#8230;.so what does this all mean?</p><p>Yep, we&#8217;re going to another war! why?</p><p>Bush and Cheyney might start a nuclear war, so a black man or a white woman have no way of winning an election&#8230;they want Bush the <br />3rd on board for their attack plan&#8230;.say hello to President McCain!!</p><p>Lord help us all!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: D.</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/centcom-commander-admiral-william-fallon-resigns-perk-up-those-ears-for-the-drumbeats/comment-page-1/#comment-6614</link> <dc:creator>D.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=944#comment-6614</guid> <description>ADM Fallon was against action in Iran because he knew our military was stretched thin. One of the differences between Naval leaders and their counterparts in the other services is that they have a much better ability to view the &quot;big picture.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Pentagon&#039;s website states that:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;Gates told reporters Fallon advised him of his decision this morning, citing what the admiral called “the current embarrassing situation of public perception of differences between my views and administration policy and the distraction this causes from the mission.” Fallon said this disconnect led him to conclude “that it would be best to step aside and allow the secretary and our military leaders to move beyond this distraction ... and focus on the achievement of our strategic objectives in the region.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Long, short: there weren&#039;t any differences. Here&#039;s another story created by the MSM to throw another of our country&#039;s great military leaders under the bus. And, damn if they didn&#039;t succeed. Again.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The most interesting thing to come out of this is that maybe GEN Petraeus will become CENTCOM once he leaves command in Iraq. That would at least keep him in the area to keep an eye on things. Maybe Obama-&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;IF HE WINS&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;-will listen to him, since he voted to confirm him as the head of our forces there now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADM Fallon was against action in Iran because he knew our military was stretched thin. One of the differences between Naval leaders and their counterparts in the other services is that they have a much better ability to view the &#8220;big picture.&#8221;</p><p>The Pentagon&#8217;s website states that:</p><p><i>Gates told reporters Fallon advised him of his decision this morning, citing what the admiral called “the current embarrassing situation of public perception of differences between my views and administration policy and the distraction this causes from the mission.” Fallon said this disconnect led him to conclude “that it would be best to step aside and allow the secretary and our military leaders to move beyond this distraction &#8230; and focus on the achievement of our strategic objectives in the region.”</i></p><p>Long, short: there weren&#8217;t any differences. Here&#8217;s another story created by the MSM to throw another of our country&#8217;s great military leaders under the bus. And, damn if they didn&#8217;t succeed. Again.</p><p>The most interesting thing to come out of this is that maybe GEN Petraeus will become CENTCOM once he leaves command in Iraq. That would at least keep him in the area to keep an eye on things. Maybe Obama-<i><b>IF HE WINS</b></i>-will listen to him, since he voted to confirm him as the head of our forces there now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nita</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/centcom-commander-admiral-william-fallon-resigns-perk-up-those-ears-for-the-drumbeats/comment-page-1/#comment-6603</link> <dc:creator>Nita</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=944#comment-6603</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know what to say.  And they are insane enough to do it. :(  This isn&#039;t as sexy as certain other news in the news right  now.... but maybe this will be the most important.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;According to those in the know - Fallon was known as a believer that the indefinite Iraq occupation was slowly wrecking the US military.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One of the things that has always scared me most about Shrub and The Evil One was them having &#039;nothing to lose&#039;. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I did not know that; good for Admiral Fallon.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And co-sign on Bush and Cheney.  What will this year&#039;s October surprise consist of?  How are they going to go out?  I see a reverse &#039;iran hostage situation&#039;.. instead of manipulating events to make the outgoing incumbent Democrat look bad, will they manipulate events to make the incoming Democrat newbie look bad?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what to say.  And they are insane enough to do it. :(  This isn&#8217;t as sexy as certain other news in the news right  now&#8230;. but maybe this will be the most important.</p><p><i>According to those in the know &#8211; Fallon was known as a believer that the indefinite Iraq occupation was slowly wrecking the US military.</p><p>One of the things that has always scared me most about Shrub and The Evil One was them having &#8216;nothing to lose&#8217;. </i></p><p>I did not know that; good for Admiral Fallon.</p><p>And co-sign on Bush and Cheney.  What will this year&#8217;s October surprise consist of?  How are they going to go out?  I see a reverse &#8216;iran hostage situation&#8217;.. instead of manipulating events to make the outgoing incumbent Democrat look bad, will they manipulate events to make the incoming Democrat newbie look bad?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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