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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So as to not take up space I did a video about the reason Tavis got such a bad reception to his cloaked dig at Obama.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://youtube.com/watch?v=IVy-w7CGz_w</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So as to not take up space I did a video about the reason Tavis got such a bad reception to his cloaked dig at Obama.</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=IVy-w7CGz_w" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=IVy-w7CGz_w</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Hill,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I cannot not be weary of a candidate who counts on people&#039;s prejudices to win the nomination. In addition, her surrogates have all been very disrespectful of Obama in ways that I dont remember his being towards her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Hill,</p>
<p>I cannot not be weary of a candidate who counts on people&#8217;s prejudices to win the nomination. In addition, her surrogates have all been very disrespectful of Obama in ways that I dont remember his being towards her.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luv what you do JJP !&lt;br/&gt;See Official OBAMA &quot;Hater Watch List (including Tavis)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Visit: www.Blacks4Barack.org&lt;br/&gt;Obama News, Views, Issues (including Civil Rights), Photos, Volunteer Info and More !&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Say It Loud...BARACK &amp; I&#039;M PROUD !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luv what you do JJP !<br />See Official OBAMA &#8220;Hater Watch List (including Tavis)</p>
<p>Visit: <a href="http://www.Blacks4Barack.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.Blacks4Barack.org</a><br />Obama News, Views, Issues (including Civil Rights), Photos, Volunteer Info and More !</p>
<p>Say It Loud&#8230;BARACK &#038; I&#8217;M PROUD !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A common deceptive tactic, Miss Hill... He voted to fund the troops not in support of the war; soldiers still need to eat, have armor, have weapons and supplies even when they are in a war that should have never been authorized nor waged.  We know that Senator Obama would have voted against the war resolution because he told us over and over again beginning with his speeches in 2002.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He wasn&#039;t in the Senate yet BUT he was running to get there.  He made that speech at a time when Bush had overwhelming public support and anyone who disagreed with the war would have been making a dangerous decision in terms of their longevity.  Senator Lincoln Chaffee was fired as one of those who voted against the war.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obama spoke out against the Iraq war IN SPITE OF the polling that showed he would likely lose the election as a result of a stand.  He had the most to lose by speaking out then because he was likely to not get elected as a result but he put conscience before ambition.  He trusted in the people of Illinois to recognize his honesty and his first rate character even when they disagree much like he is betting on the national electorate to see through your spin as a mignon of Hillary to choose the best candidate for the job and the one that most represents our values &amp; goals.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;OOO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A common deceptive tactic, Miss Hill&#8230; He voted to fund the troops not in support of the war; soldiers still need to eat, have armor, have weapons and supplies even when they are in a war that should have never been authorized nor waged.  We know that Senator Obama would have voted against the war resolution because he told us over and over again beginning with his speeches in 2002.  </p>
<p>He wasn&#8217;t in the Senate yet BUT he was running to get there.  He made that speech at a time when Bush had overwhelming public support and anyone who disagreed with the war would have been making a dangerous decision in terms of their longevity.  Senator Lincoln Chaffee was fired as one of those who voted against the war.  </p>
<p>Obama spoke out against the Iraq war IN SPITE OF the polling that showed he would likely lose the election as a result of a stand.  He had the most to lose by speaking out then because he was likely to not get elected as a result but he put conscience before ambition.  He trusted in the people of Illinois to recognize his honesty and his first rate character even when they disagree much like he is betting on the national electorate to see through your spin as a mignon of Hillary to choose the best candidate for the job and the one that most represents our values &#038; goals.</p>
<p>OOO</p>
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		<title>By: Alethea &#34;LeLe&#34; Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/state-of-the-black-union-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-4921</link>
		<dc:creator>Alethea &#34;LeLe&#34; Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really not coming to J and J as a troll but I have to address madison&#039;s comments.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obama spoke out against war in Iraq.  I&#039;m glad he did but we don&#039;t know how he would have voted.  1) He did not enter the Senate until January 2005. The Iraq resolution was passed in October 2002.    2) He opposed the war but voted twice to continue funding to war.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what are we to on by his speech or his actions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not coming to J and J as a troll but I have to address madison&#8217;s comments.  </p>
<p>Obama spoke out against war in Iraq.  I&#8217;m glad he did but we don&#8217;t know how he would have voted.  1) He did not enter the Senate until January 2005. The Iraq resolution was passed in October 2002.    2) He opposed the war but voted twice to continue funding to war.</p>
<p>So what are we to on by his speech or his actions?</p>
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		<title>By: madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish Tavis Smiley had asked Hillary why she did not read the national intelligence report before she voted for war in Iraq. Whenever anyone brings this up to her she always  says that she was &quot;fully briefed&quot;. But noone has ever asked her 1)why she never read the report and 2) who briefed her. Every soldier who is fighting and dieing in Iraq was brought into this world by a woman,which is why i cannot understand why women were so quick to jump on Hillary&#039;s bandwagon. What is more important to them,getting a woman into the white house or choosing a president who will have the wisdom and judgement to send our military into war only as a last resort after all other options have been exhausted? Were are these ladies&#039; priorities? It boggles the mind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Tavis Smiley had asked Hillary why she did not read the national intelligence report before she voted for war in Iraq. Whenever anyone brings this up to her she always  says that she was &#8220;fully briefed&#8221;. But noone has ever asked her 1)why she never read the report and 2) who briefed her. Every soldier who is fighting and dieing in Iraq was brought into this world by a woman,which is why i cannot understand why women were so quick to jump on Hillary&#8217;s bandwagon. What is more important to them,getting a woman into the white house or choosing a president who will have the wisdom and judgement to send our military into war only as a last resort after all other options have been exhausted? Were are these ladies&#8217; priorities? It boggles the mind!</p>
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		<title>By: madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;state of the Black Union&quot; will be repeated on friday,feb.29, at 8pm on cspan2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;state of the Black Union&#8221; will be repeated on friday,feb.29, at 8pm on cspan2.</p>
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		<title>By: Alethea &#34;LeLe&#34; Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alethea &#34;LeLe&#34; Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Young is not running for president.   Bill Sheehan is not running for president.  Bob Johnson is not running for president.  Andrew Cuomo is not running for president.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can&#039;t hold a candidate accountable for idiotic comments made by their supporters.  If I did, I would have to vote for Ralph Nadar if Obama won the nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Young is not running for president.   Bill Sheehan is not running for president.  Bob Johnson is not running for president.  Andrew Cuomo is not running for president.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t hold a candidate accountable for idiotic comments made by their supporters.  If I did, I would have to vote for Ralph Nadar if Obama won the nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: brownsugaQt86</title>
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		<dc:creator>brownsugaQt86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CeCe, I&#039;m sure that your a smart minus this one.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. I am shocked that you have the audacity to talk about Obama supporters but what Clinton Supporters are better?&lt;br/&gt;I think a lot of people even whites and even people who did not support Obama felt that the Clintons were somehow injecting race. I never hated the Clintons and I still dont. Hillary is my junior senator. However I was very disappointed. In addition, I have been especially disappointed in the way in which she has run her campaign. It wasnt just one or two supporters or comments. It became a pattern. Do you see Senator Barack Obama&#039;s supporters tearing down Hillary, the way her supporters and surrogates have on issues that have nothing to do with policies at his rallies or in statements...I haven&#039;t. Hillary&#039;s campaign has been the one taking most of the cheap shots.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. I&#039;m sick of people attacking Obama supporters as if we make decisions based on emotion! We are passionate about Barack Obama&#039;s candidacy. I admire his fight for legislation and constant call for government transparency. I like how he wants to engage the American people in the political process. He is not a perfect man and I dont think that he has been or will be right on every single issue. He has even acknowledged that. I will apologize if you have encountered any Obama supporters that have been aggressive or unfair. I dont support that and neither does Barack. When we speak on this site, we speak based on facts. I cannot tell you how many blogs (whose writers and readers are mostly Clinton supporters)speak based on hate, false accusations, half-truths, prejudice. You could go look for them yourself, its easy to find...trust.me!! I had a professor compare Obama to Hitler in class (she&#039;s a Hillary supporter). A Good friend of mine was a Clinton supporter, she jumped ship. They drove her away. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. We have no problem with constructive criticizism but when I hear what I hear too often about Obama being an &quot;empty suit&quot; I have all right to be upset. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. We have all the right to hold our black leadership accountable. I have been waiting for this moment. I have no problem with them supporting Clinton, my mom does, but I have a problem with their denial and the way they act like black people owe the Clintons something. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;5. As for the sax crap...why would you assume that I like anyone else on this blog actually fell for it. When people were cheering for Clinton playing the sax, I watched him throw Sister Souljah under the bus in order to please white sensibilities. I watched him refuse to even out the disparity between crack and powder cocaine. I watched him &quot;reform&quot; welfare. I watched more and more of my brothers go to jail under his administration. The gap between rich and poor got wider. I watched him step away from Jocelyn Elders, Lani Guiner and Marian Edelman Wright. I don&#039;t give a damn about the fried chicken and waffles dish, the soul food restaurant down the street named after him. I was appalled when people actually took seriously the idea of Bill Clitnon being the &quot;first black president&quot;. I&#039;m from New York, I grew up in the Bx. I dont care if Clinton has his office in Harlem. A lot of white people have their office in Harlem. It is one of the least expensive part of the city. They didnt choose to live in Harlem, they live in Chappaqua...two blocks down from my friend Rachel, in one of the richest towns in the state if not country. When I look at the Clintons, I look at what they have done. They have done good but they have also done things that have affected our community in a bad way. Let me not forget the atrocity in Rwanda. I cannot sit here and act like there were things that they did while in office that did not hurt our people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;6. Its not about whose evil its about whose frontin...ok.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;7. &quot;Shuck and Jive&quot; and the idea of it...isn&#039;t something to take lightly. Try to make him look like a drug dealer or as someone who has been doing &quot;something in the neighborhood&quot; shouldnt be taken lightly and the list goes on. These tactics are old and they with many of the other tactics, have been used before against our people and they are not ok. Cece and Althea, don&#039;t look for me to defend you when your...NEXT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CeCe, I&#8217;m sure that your a smart minus this one.  </p>
<p>1. I am shocked that you have the audacity to talk about Obama supporters but what Clinton Supporters are better?<br />I think a lot of people even whites and even people who did not support Obama felt that the Clintons were somehow injecting race. I never hated the Clintons and I still dont. Hillary is my junior senator. However I was very disappointed. In addition, I have been especially disappointed in the way in which she has run her campaign. It wasnt just one or two supporters or comments. It became a pattern. Do you see Senator Barack Obama&#8217;s supporters tearing down Hillary, the way her supporters and surrogates have on issues that have nothing to do with policies at his rallies or in statements&#8230;I haven&#8217;t. Hillary&#8217;s campaign has been the one taking most of the cheap shots.</p>
<p>2. I&#8217;m sick of people attacking Obama supporters as if we make decisions based on emotion! We are passionate about Barack Obama&#8217;s candidacy. I admire his fight for legislation and constant call for government transparency. I like how he wants to engage the American people in the political process. He is not a perfect man and I dont think that he has been or will be right on every single issue. He has even acknowledged that. I will apologize if you have encountered any Obama supporters that have been aggressive or unfair. I dont support that and neither does Barack. When we speak on this site, we speak based on facts. I cannot tell you how many blogs (whose writers and readers are mostly Clinton supporters)speak based on hate, false accusations, half-truths, prejudice. You could go look for them yourself, its easy to find&#8230;trust.me!! I had a professor compare Obama to Hitler in class (she&#8217;s a Hillary supporter). A Good friend of mine was a Clinton supporter, she jumped ship. They drove her away. </p>
<p>3. We have no problem with constructive criticizism but when I hear what I hear too often about Obama being an &#8220;empty suit&#8221; I have all right to be upset. </p>
<p>4. We have all the right to hold our black leadership accountable. I have been waiting for this moment. I have no problem with them supporting Clinton, my mom does, but I have a problem with their denial and the way they act like black people owe the Clintons something. </p>
<p>5. As for the sax crap&#8230;why would you assume that I like anyone else on this blog actually fell for it. When people were cheering for Clinton playing the sax, I watched him throw Sister Souljah under the bus in order to please white sensibilities. I watched him refuse to even out the disparity between crack and powder cocaine. I watched him &#8220;reform&#8221; welfare. I watched more and more of my brothers go to jail under his administration. The gap between rich and poor got wider. I watched him step away from Jocelyn Elders, Lani Guiner and Marian Edelman Wright. I don&#8217;t give a damn about the fried chicken and waffles dish, the soul food restaurant down the street named after him. I was appalled when people actually took seriously the idea of Bill Clitnon being the &#8220;first black president&#8221;. I&#8217;m from New York, I grew up in the Bx. I dont care if Clinton has his office in Harlem. A lot of white people have their office in Harlem. It is one of the least expensive part of the city. They didnt choose to live in Harlem, they live in Chappaqua&#8230;two blocks down from my friend Rachel, in one of the richest towns in the state if not country. When I look at the Clintons, I look at what they have done. They have done good but they have also done things that have affected our community in a bad way. Let me not forget the atrocity in Rwanda. I cannot sit here and act like there were things that they did while in office that did not hurt our people.</p>
<p>6. Its not about whose evil its about whose frontin&#8230;ok.</p>
<p>7. &#8220;Shuck and Jive&#8221; and the idea of it&#8230;isn&#8217;t something to take lightly. Try to make him look like a drug dealer or as someone who has been doing &#8220;something in the neighborhood&#8221; shouldnt be taken lightly and the list goes on. These tactics are old and they with many of the other tactics, have been used before against our people and they are not ok. Cece and Althea, don&#8217;t look for me to defend you when your&#8230;NEXT!</p>
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		<title>By: tryexcellence</title>
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		<dc:creator>tryexcellence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to CeCe:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nobody is putting anybody on a hit list because of their support for Hillary.  For me, the reason that Waters, Jackson-Lee, and Tubbs Jones need to go is because of their undeniable failure to bring jobs, programs, policies, etc. they uplift and empower their communities.  These folks have been in power too long to not have done more for their respective communities.  The fact that they are supporting Clinton when their congressional districts overwhelmingly support Obama is for me the straw the broke the Camel&#039;s back so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to CeCe:</p>
<p>Nobody is putting anybody on a hit list because of their support for Hillary.  For me, the reason that Waters, Jackson-Lee, and Tubbs Jones need to go is because of their undeniable failure to bring jobs, programs, policies, etc. they uplift and empower their communities.  These folks have been in power too long to not have done more for their respective communities.  The fact that they are supporting Clinton when their congressional districts overwhelmingly support Obama is for me the straw the broke the Camel&#8217;s back so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Hill, I see your point of view and I think I understand what you&#039;re saying. I commented earlier in the thread on SJL as my congresswoman and I don&#039;t support her, mainly because of her positions on immigration. However, I am very uneasy that every person or thing that the Black community previously supported wholeheartedly can now so easily be seen as traitors because they don&#039;t support Obama.  Let&#039;s not forget, when some of us were insulted that Bill Clinton would play a sax on a Black talk show, the majority of the Black community embraced him. Now,the Clinton&#039;s are evil,Tavis is evil, SJL is evil, Maxine Waters(the black community/media previously LOVED her)is evil, all supporters of Clinton. It all just seems so emotional that you can&#039;t help but wonder, who will be on the hit list next? And you are right, I hate the Clintons but those comments about MLK and S.Carolina(including all in the above post)were not racist, they were made racist by Obama supporters. It makes some of us who may be undecided think,&quot;If I vote for him, will I hear cries of racism every time he is criticized as President?&quot; I think his supporters have shown that is exactly what will happen and it will undoubtedly drive away some support. &lt;br/&gt;CeCe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Hill, I see your point of view and I think I understand what you&#8217;re saying. I commented earlier in the thread on SJL as my congresswoman and I don&#8217;t support her, mainly because of her positions on immigration. However, I am very uneasy that every person or thing that the Black community previously supported wholeheartedly can now so easily be seen as traitors because they don&#8217;t support Obama.  Let&#8217;s not forget, when some of us were insulted that Bill Clinton would play a sax on a Black talk show, the majority of the Black community embraced him. Now,the Clinton&#8217;s are evil,Tavis is evil, SJL is evil, Maxine Waters(the black community/media previously LOVED her)is evil, all supporters of Clinton. It all just seems so emotional that you can&#8217;t help but wonder, who will be on the hit list next? And you are right, I hate the Clintons but those comments about MLK and S.Carolina(including all in the above post)were not racist, they were made racist by Obama supporters. It makes some of us who may be undecided think,&#8221;If I vote for him, will I hear cries of racism every time he is criticized as President?&#8221; I think his supporters have shown that is exactly what will happen and it will undoubtedly drive away some support. <br />CeCe</p>
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		<title>By: Nichelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nichelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I&#039;m well aware of the wiki project. I&#039;ve actually been a reader for some time. The only incidents I thought deserved comment were the ones I addressed.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;ve been a reader for some time?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So that means you&#039;re fine with the Dogwhistle/race-baiting politics pointed out on this blog by Rikyrah et al, that have turned many of us against the Clintons - many of us who, mind you, were NOT adverse to the Clintons prior to these insulting tactics:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;* Clinton supporter Andrew Young says Bill Clinton is &quot;blacker than Barack&quot; because &quot;he&#039;s probably gone with more black women then Barack&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;* Clinton campaign official (&lt;b&gt;and husband of former New Hampshire Governor and current Senate candidate Jeanne Shaheen&lt;/b&gt;) Bill Shaheen suggests Obama may have been a drug dealer.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;** HRC made a point to apologize to Obama - in full view of cameras on the tarmac of some airport - after this incident. Shaheen stepped down after this incident.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;* BET Founder Bob Johnson talks about &quot;what Obama was doing in the neighborhood&quot; (in a speech with HRC sitting right behind him.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;** After NO ONE bought his b.s. &quot;I was talking about his community service excuse&quot; Bob Johnson apologized for his comment. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;* Clinton supporter Andrew Cuomo (son of former NY Gov. Mario Cuomo and current NY Atty. General) uses &quot;Shuck and Jive&quot; in reference to Obama. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;** A politically sophisticated man born in 1957 uses the term &quot;shuck and jive&quot; casually?  Oh sure...&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I&#8217;m well aware of the wiki project. I&#8217;ve actually been a reader for some time. The only incidents I thought deserved comment were the ones I addressed.</b></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been a reader for some time?</p>
<p>So that means you&#8217;re fine with the Dogwhistle/race-baiting politics pointed out on this blog by Rikyrah et al, that have turned many of us against the Clintons &#8211; many of us who, mind you, were NOT adverse to the Clintons prior to these insulting tactics:</p>
<p><i>* Clinton supporter Andrew Young says Bill Clinton is &#8220;blacker than Barack&#8221; because &#8220;he&#8217;s probably gone with more black women then Barack&#8221;.</p>
<p>* Clinton campaign official (<b>and husband of former New Hampshire Governor and current Senate candidate Jeanne Shaheen</b>) Bill Shaheen suggests Obama may have been a drug dealer.</p>
<p><b>** HRC made a point to apologize to Obama &#8211; in full view of cameras on the tarmac of some airport &#8211; after this incident. Shaheen stepped down after this incident.</b></p>
<p>* BET Founder Bob Johnson talks about &#8220;what Obama was doing in the neighborhood&#8221; (in a speech with HRC sitting right behind him.)</p>
<p>** After NO ONE bought his b.s. &#8220;I was talking about his community service excuse&#8221; Bob Johnson apologized for his comment. </p>
<p>* Clinton supporter Andrew Cuomo (son of former NY Gov. Mario Cuomo and current NY Atty. General) uses &#8220;Shuck and Jive&#8221; in reference to Obama. </p>
<p>** A politically sophisticated man born in 1957 uses the term &#8220;shuck and jive&#8221; casually?  Oh sure&#8230;</i></p>
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		<title>By: tryexcellence</title>
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		<dc:creator>tryexcellence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree - please, someone, anyone, run against Tubbs-Jones. Shelia Jackson Lee as well.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and Maxine Waters, John Lewis and all of these other folks who need to step aside but won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree &#8211; please, someone, anyone, run against Tubbs-Jones. Shelia Jackson Lee as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>and Maxine Waters, John Lewis and all of these other folks who need to step aside but won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Alethea &#34;LeLe&#34; Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alethea &#34;LeLe&#34; Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m well aware of the wiki project.  I&#039;ve actually been a reader for some time.   The only incidents I thought deserved comment were the ones I  addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m well aware of the wiki project.  I&#8217;ve actually been a reader for some time.   The only incidents I thought deserved comment were the ones I  addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLocMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheLocMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great posts!! If anyone, ANYONE, has the Jesse Jackson video from the SOTBU (where he was comparing biblical scriptures about John as a metaphor for the criticisms raised against Obama), PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post the link. I would LOVE to see that!!! Thanks in advance if you have it and can post it!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posts!! If anyone, ANYONE, has the Jesse Jackson video from the SOTBU (where he was comparing biblical scriptures about John as a metaphor for the criticisms raised against Obama), PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post the link. I would LOVE to see that!!! Thanks in advance if you have it and can post it!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money and power are the issues that fuel Tavis&#039;s anti-Obama sentiments. I give you three facts:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1 - Wal-Mart (on whose board of directors Hillary sat while first lady of Arkansas) is sponsoring his mega-five-city (big $$$) museum tour.&lt;br/&gt;2 - Bill Clinton is (shamelessly) hawking his latest book on Tavis&#039;s website.&lt;br/&gt;3 - Tavis thinks his *movement* (The &quot;so-called&quot; Covenant) is more important than Barack&#039;s *movement* to be America&#039;s first REAL black president. If you recall, last year&#039;s SOTBU was marred, yes marred, by the attacks launched by the panelists (Jackson, West and Dyson spring to mind) against Obama -and supported by Tavis - BECAUSE on that same day Barack Obama was announcing his presidential candidacy in Illinois, rather than at their bullshit-psycho-babble-I-ain&#039;t-really-a-black-leader-but-I-play-one-on-TV fest. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For nine years, Tavis has insisted that he&#039;s our guide to salvation - if we buy his books. Frankly, as a dear friend pointed out, Tavis is like the guy at the laundromat selling socks from a garbage bag. Truth is, I&#039;ve already got socks. And they&#039;ll be dry in 10 minutes. Don&#039;t try and sell me something I do not need.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tavis is a loser. The Q&amp;A with Hillary was pathetic. He&#039;s definitely not a journalist. But he did spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money and power are the issues that fuel Tavis&#8217;s anti-Obama sentiments. I give you three facts:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Wal-Mart (on whose board of directors Hillary sat while first lady of Arkansas) is sponsoring his mega-five-city (big $$$) museum tour.<br />2 &#8211; Bill Clinton is (shamelessly) hawking his latest book on Tavis&#8217;s website.<br />3 &#8211; Tavis thinks his *movement* (The &#8220;so-called&#8221; Covenant) is more important than Barack&#8217;s *movement* to be America&#8217;s first REAL black president. If you recall, last year&#8217;s SOTBU was marred, yes marred, by the attacks launched by the panelists (Jackson, West and Dyson spring to mind) against Obama -and supported by Tavis &#8211; BECAUSE on that same day Barack Obama was announcing his presidential candidacy in Illinois, rather than at their bullshit-psycho-babble-I-ain&#8217;t-really-a-black-leader-but-I-play-one-on-TV fest. </p>
<p>For nine years, Tavis has insisted that he&#8217;s our guide to salvation &#8211; if we buy his books. Frankly, as a dear friend pointed out, Tavis is like the guy at the laundromat selling socks from a garbage bag. Truth is, I&#8217;ve already got socks. And they&#8217;ll be dry in 10 minutes. Don&#8217;t try and sell me something I do not need.</p>
<p>Tavis is a loser. The Q&#038;A with Hillary was pathetic. He&#8217;s definitely not a journalist. But he did spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think jealousy is what&#039;s fueling Tavis Smiley&#039;s anti-Obama sentiments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think jealousy is what&#8217;s fueling Tavis Smiley&#8217;s anti-Obama sentiments?</p>
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		<title>By: BigMik</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/state-of-the-black-union-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-4821</link>
		<dc:creator>BigMik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Ms. Hill, you think Senator Obama can&#039;t wheel and deal and negotiate with elected officials? Let&#039;s get one thing right, he has been dealing and fighting his whole life. At Havard he was the first Black to head the Havard Law Review and that&#039;s not easy, then he was elected to the State senate and before that he was beaten, so he has tasted defeat and bounced back strong. Then he was elected to the US Senate and that wasn&#039;t a cake walk. So is he a fighter? Yes. So I fully don&#039;t agree with your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Ms. Hill, you think Senator Obama can&#8217;t wheel and deal and negotiate with elected officials? Let&#8217;s get one thing right, he has been dealing and fighting his whole life. At Havard he was the first Black to head the Havard Law Review and that&#8217;s not easy, then he was elected to the State senate and before that he was beaten, so he has tasted defeat and bounced back strong. Then he was elected to the US Senate and that wasn&#8217;t a cake walk. So is he a fighter? Yes. So I fully don&#8217;t agree with your argument.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/state-of-the-black-union-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-4816</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Hill,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you think that, when I refer to Dogwhistle, race-baiting politics, that it has to do with the MLK/LBJ comments EXCLUSIVELY...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry, Black folk aren&#039;t that &#039; sensitive&#039;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Click on the Wiki to the left of the blog. I do believe we&#039;ve up to 40 such incidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Hill,</p>
<p>If you think that, when I refer to Dogwhistle, race-baiting politics, that it has to do with the MLK/LBJ comments EXCLUSIVELY&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry, Black folk aren&#8217;t that &#8216; sensitive&#8217;. </p>
<p>Click on the Wiki to the left of the blog. I do believe we&#8217;ve up to 40 such incidents.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tavis &quot;The Hater&quot; Smiley&#039;s behavior at the SOTBU was both transparent and ridiculous.  He tried to scold Jesse for saying something positive about Obama in the 1st session, yet alowed Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas) to go on a 10 minute pro-Hillary rant in the second session.  Also, he did not allow room for discussion among the panelists; they had to sit and wait their turns to be asked one of his narrowly-framed questions with which he tried to lead them to tear down Barack.  None of the pro-Barack panelists fell for it.  Fortunately   neither did anyone in the audience (I was there).  Tavis exposed himself as the hater he is, and I&#039;ve lost all respect for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tavis &#8220;The Hater&#8221; Smiley&#8217;s behavior at the SOTBU was both transparent and ridiculous.  He tried to scold Jesse for saying something positive about Obama in the 1st session, yet alowed Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas) to go on a 10 minute pro-Hillary rant in the second session.  Also, he did not allow room for discussion among the panelists; they had to sit and wait their turns to be asked one of his narrowly-framed questions with which he tried to lead them to tear down Barack.  None of the pro-Barack panelists fell for it.  Fortunately   neither did anyone in the audience (I was there).  Tavis exposed himself as the hater he is, and I&#8217;ve lost all respect for him.</p>
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