Comments on: Sometimes Our Readers Say It So Well http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:33:52 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Francis L. Holland Blog http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5263 Francis L. Holland Blog Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:14:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5263 Great discussion! I'm tired of and disappointed with Hillary's act as well. <br/><br/>I must admit that I do feel sorry for her, because I know how hard she has worked to get herself to this point, in spite of the systemic barriers. But she has cross what for me is a bright line in terms of her treatment of what was actually her most loyal constituency. She's forfeited an indispensable part of her base. <br/><br/>I hope that she and all American politicians learn a new lesson from this experience. We're doing a noble job when we help them to learn that lesson, even if it's a hard one for her this time around. Great discussion! I’m tired of and disappointed with Hillary’s act as well.

I must admit that I do feel sorry for her, because I know how hard she has worked to get herself to this point, in spite of the systemic barriers. But she has cross what for me is a bright line in terms of her treatment of what was actually her most loyal constituency. She’s forfeited an indispensable part of her base.

I hope that she and all American politicians learn a new lesson from this experience. We’re doing a noble job when we help them to learn that lesson, even if it’s a hard one for her this time around.

]]> By: babyming http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5171 babyming Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:59:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5171 Sorry, but I must disagree with those who want Obama to fight back... that would add fuel to the fire that Hillary has been making. I know the temptation to fight back is there, but that's exactly what Hillary wants Barack to do. She has a chance if they both are negative. If he stays positive, she has no chance: the one thing she can't fake is being positive. Positives, coolness are her Achilles heel. Sorry, but I must disagree with those who want Obama to fight back… that would add fuel to the fire that Hillary has been making. I know the temptation to fight back is there, but that’s exactly what Hillary wants Barack to do. She has a chance if they both are negative. If he stays positive, she has no chance: the one thing she can’t fake is being positive. Positives, coolness are her Achilles heel.

]]> By: I am not Star Jones http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5144 I am not Star Jones Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:49:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5144 B-Serious...<br/>you are definitely not alone in knowing the deal with Hillary and Barack...since<br/>her campaign team and supporters refuse to acknowledge that they are not the best and brightest at campaigning with all their experience...they have to come up with the kind of crap that we've been seeing and will continue to see until March 4th. B-Serious…
you are definitely not alone in knowing the deal with Hillary and Barack…since
her campaign team and supporters refuse to acknowledge that they are not the best and brightest at campaigning with all their experience…they have to come up with the kind of crap that we’ve been seeing and will continue to see until March 4th.

]]> By: Rhonda http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5138 Rhonda Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:21:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5138 Thanks B-Serious. I just got back from The Root where I was trying to defend Lacewell. As a black female, I cannot relate with Hillary's white female privelege. <br/><br/>Her tactics during this campaign has been nothing less than ugly.<br/><br/>As I sit here commenting, I am watching Sean Hannity blast Michelle Obama's statement and college thesis and the Obama's church for being too radical and black. He is saying that the "American people don't know anything about this guy and that's serious". He has Newt Gingrich on. He said that it needs to be brought up!! What non-sense. Thanks B-Serious. I just got back from The Root where I was trying to defend Lacewell. As a black female, I cannot relate with Hillary’s white female privelege.

Her tactics during this campaign has been nothing less than ugly.

As I sit here commenting, I am watching Sean Hannity blast Michelle Obama’s statement and college thesis and the Obama’s church for being too radical and black. He is saying that the “American people don’t know anything about this guy and that’s serious”. He has Newt Gingrich on. He said that it needs to be brought up!! What non-sense.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5128 Anonymous Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:37:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5128 Great Post b-serious. This double standard is maddening. <br/><br/>Also, ndn you (well actully everyone who posted here) just helped me deal a situation that recently evolved at work over the last couple of days. It had been eating me up inside and part of me wanted to "go there" but I am going to continue and pray on it. I pray that I can exercise an ounce of the grace, temperment and humility that brother Barack has shown. Great Post b-serious. This double standard is maddening.

Also, ndn you (well actully everyone who posted here) just helped me deal a situation that recently evolved at work over the last couple of days. It had been eating me up inside and part of me wanted to “go there” but I am going to continue and pray on it. I pray that I can exercise an ounce of the grace, temperment and humility that brother Barack has shown.

]]> By: Craig Hickman http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5120 Craig Hickman Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:28:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5120 Tubbs-Jones is on Hardball right now talking about same-sex marriage, abortion, and other hot-button topics. She only mentioned them in passing, of course. <br/><br/>She's a trip. Is she showing their hand? If so, I guess we're going to have a debate about about same-sex marriage tonight?<br/><br/>Tubbs-Jones is a singular disgrace. How on earth has she been elected??? Tubbs-Jones is on Hardball right now talking about same-sex marriage, abortion, and other hot-button topics. She only mentioned them in passing, of course.

She’s a trip. Is she showing their hand? If so, I guess we’re going to have a debate about about same-sex marriage tonight?

Tubbs-Jones is a singular disgrace. How on earth has she been elected???

]]> By: evita http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5115 evita Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:40:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5115 b serious- that is serious. the truth always is.<br/><br/>when th eold heads start saying, if you lose (Obama camps,)will you stay involved. Right now all I think is THIS is why I stayed out. Its a daily insult she wages to black men, black people, people of color, and women... <br/><br/>This is what happens when you think your address is in a castle... b serious- that is serious. the truth always is.

when th eold heads start saying, if you lose (Obama camps,)will you stay involved. Right now all I think is THIS is why I stayed out. Its a daily insult she wages to black men, black people, people of color, and women…

This is what happens when you think your address is in a castle…

]]> By: Craig Hickman http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5108 Craig Hickman Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:50:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5108 "Pray for his increased wisdom, courage and strength."<br/><br/>::<br/><br/>Say it again. “Pray for his increased wisdom, courage and strength.”

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Say it again.

]]> By: ndn5898 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5107 ndn5898 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:44:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5107 I really don't want to sound racist, but this is the reason why black men need a black wives. He does not need to explain "perceived slights, she already knows and will fight for him. This man looks like he has lost about 5lbs, which is way too much for him. He probably has an ulcer and is up to 2 packs a day.. He continually has to swallow shit.. He can't even attempt to raise his voice or furrow his brows. The country will truly benefit from his presidency, because he is no punk. He is strong beyond compare. I only wish that I could get some of that temperment. Please keep praying for him. Pray for his increased wisdom, courage and strength.<br/><br/>There were times when I felt ambivalent about his candidacy, but now I feel a calm peace because I recognize that feeling of being underestimated in the workplace and having to prove to people my competency. Eventually they fall in line and all of a sudden I'm the expert. I really don’t want to sound racist, but this is the reason why black men need a black wives. He does not need to explain “perceived slights, she already knows and will fight for him. This man looks like he has lost about 5lbs, which is way too much for him. He probably has an ulcer and is up to 2 packs a day.. He continually has to swallow shit.. He can’t even attempt to raise his voice or furrow his brows. The country will truly benefit from his presidency, because he is no punk. He is strong beyond compare. I only wish that I could get some of that temperment. Please keep praying for him. Pray for his increased wisdom, courage and strength.

There were times when I felt ambivalent about his candidacy, but now I feel a calm peace because I recognize that feeling of being underestimated in the workplace and having to prove to people my competency. Eventually they fall in line and all of a sudden I’m the expert.

]]> By: DWS http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5086 DWS Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:27:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5086 Thanks for the words b-serious. What's so sad about HRC's efforts is that she's so arrogant about it as if she is sure she is going to strike a chord with voters and change the momentum of the race. I hope America proves her wrong and rejects her negative politics. Thanks for the words b-serious. What’s so sad about HRC’s efforts is that she’s so arrogant about it as if she is sure she is going to strike a chord with voters and change the momentum of the race. I hope America proves her wrong and rejects her negative politics.

]]> By: Craig Hickman http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5085 Craig Hickman Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:18:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5085 First, I agree with b-serious' analysis word for word.<br/><br/>But I want to say something about Barack Obama.<br/><br/>He is arrogant. He has to be, otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he's in. A Black man doesn't get this close to the Democratic nomination if he didn't have a huge ego. So far, he has been able to also be charming and that's why his arrogance doesn't come across as overbearing. But no president is free from arrogance. Nor his Hillary Clinton. <br/><br/>He can't just rise above her attacks in this debate. He has to go after her and he can't hold back because she's a woman. He can't go after her unfairly, of course, but if he's to show the nation that he's the one to lead it, he can't appear soft when attacked no matter his attacker.<br/><br/>I think he will handle his business tonight just fine. His campaign just told the talking heads that he would be aggressive tonight.<br/><br/>I expect him to pick apart her "35 years of experience" mantra and make us see what a crock of ish that is. If he can successfully do that, she's burnt toast, because she has nothing else to fall back on.<br/><br/>I only wish that they weren't seated side-by-side tonight. I want them to stand behind podiums with more than several arm lengths between them. First, I agree with b-serious’ analysis word for word.

But I want to say something about Barack Obama.

He is arrogant. He has to be, otherwise he wouldn’t be in the position he’s in. A Black man doesn’t get this close to the Democratic nomination if he didn’t have a huge ego. So far, he has been able to also be charming and that’s why his arrogance doesn’t come across as overbearing. But no president is free from arrogance. Nor his Hillary Clinton.

He can’t just rise above her attacks in this debate. He has to go after her and he can’t hold back because she’s a woman. He can’t go after her unfairly, of course, but if he’s to show the nation that he’s the one to lead it, he can’t appear soft when attacked no matter his attacker.

I think he will handle his business tonight just fine. His campaign just told the talking heads that he would be aggressive tonight.

I expect him to pick apart her “35 years of experience” mantra and make us see what a crock of ish that is. If he can successfully do that, she’s burnt toast, because she has nothing else to fall back on.

I only wish that they weren’t seated side-by-side tonight. I want them to stand behind podiums with more than several arm lengths between them.

]]> By: Big Man http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5080 Big Man Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:52:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5080 I've been saying this for months. All black folks are familiar with the tightrope Obama has had to walk.<br/><br/>http://ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com/2008/02/that-damn-tightrope.html I’ve been saying this for months. All black folks are familiar with the tightrope Obama has had to walk.

http://ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com/2008/02/that-damn-tightrope.html

]]> By: L-BO Jengles http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5075 L-BO Jengles Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:22:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5075 Hell yeah! I was really disappointed by what Tina Fey said Sat night and, you know what, I saw Barack speak in Cincinnati yesterday and he DIDN'T SAY A WORD about Hillary. NOT ONE WORD. What class. What grace. And yet we're going to REWARD her for THAT kind of behavior? Hell yeah! I was really disappointed by what Tina Fey said Sat night and, you know what, I saw Barack speak in Cincinnati yesterday and he DIDN’T SAY A WORD about Hillary. NOT ONE WORD. What class. What grace. And yet we’re going to REWARD her for THAT kind of behavior?

]]> By: NMP http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5074 NMP Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:14:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5074 When 1 in 3 White women come under criminal justice supervision; or 50% of White women start dropping out of high school; or the unemployment rate of White women rises to 14%; or when the rolls of White women in the Senate drops to one ever few decades; or when the leading cause of death among White women are under 30 becomes; then I might accept the argument that White women have it harder than Black men. When 1 in 3 White women come under criminal justice supervision; or 50% of White women start dropping out of high school; or the unemployment rate of White women rises to 14%; or when the rolls of White women in the Senate drops to one ever few decades; or when the leading cause of death among White women are under 30 becomes; then I might accept the argument that White women have it harder than Black men.

]]> By: Felicia http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5073 Felicia Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:07:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5073 Excellent post, b-serious.<br/><br/>I third dws and the loc man' comments: Texas and Ohio let's stick a fork in the Clintons cause they're <b>done</b>! Excellent post, b-serious.

I third dws and the loc man’ comments: Texas and Ohio let’s stick a fork in the Clintons cause they’re done!

]]> By: Ms. Ki http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5071 Ms. Ki Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:40:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5071 Excellent B-Serious, you hit every thought that has been in my head. I didn't hear Olberman call Hillary on her antics but Tim Russert from Meet the Press did this morning on The Today Show. Consistency. Who is the real Hillary? She's using the victim mentality. She's also resorted to some old school playground tactics to tease and mock her opponent to embarassment or submission. Its going to backfire like everything else. I said it before and I'll say it again, her little shame on you finger pointing brought back images of the massa's wife chastising the house negro for doing something wrong. How dare he step out of his place. I can't wait to see which Hillary shows up tonight at the debate. Excellent B-Serious, you hit every thought that has been in my head. I didn’t hear Olberman call Hillary on her antics but Tim Russert from Meet the Press did this morning on The Today Show. Consistency. Who is the real Hillary? She’s using the victim mentality. She’s also resorted to some old school playground tactics to tease and mock her opponent to embarassment or submission. Its going to backfire like everything else. I said it before and I’ll say it again, her little shame on you finger pointing brought back images of the massa’s wife chastising the house negro for doing something wrong. How dare he step out of his place. I can’t wait to see which Hillary shows up tonight at the debate.

]]> By: B-Serious http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5069 B-Serious Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:42:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5069 Thanks Liza.<br/><br/>Hey. If anyone else wants to pass this along, feel free to do so. <br/><br/>Every little bit helps.<br/><br/><br/>B-Serious<br/><br/>http://reachblack.blogspot.com/<br/><br/>http://reachblack.blogspot.com/2008/02/double-standard-facing-barack-obama.html Thanks Liza.

Hey. If anyone else wants to pass this along, feel free to do so.

Every little bit helps.

B-Serious

http://reachblack.blogspot.com/

http://reachblack.blogspot.com/2008/02/double-standard-facing-barack-obama.html

]]> By: liza http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5067 liza Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:08:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5067 Here's are two follow ups : <br/><br/><a HREF="http://culturekitchen.com/liza/blog/does_hillary_clinton_want_to_hurt_barack_obamas_ch" REL="nofollow">Does Hillary Clinton want to hurt Barack Obama's chances to win the general elections?</a><br/><br/>and <br/><br/><a HREF="http://culturekitchen.com/liza/blog/privilege_and_fear" REL="nofollow">Privilege and Fear</a> Here’s are two follow ups :

Does Hillary Clinton want to hurt Barack Obama’s chances to win the general elections?

and

Privilege and Fear

]]> By: B-Serious http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5065 B-Serious Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:23:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5065 Hey rikyrah and everyone else,<br/><br/>Thanks for showing some love! I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one thinking this!<br/><br/>B-Serious Hey rikyrah and everyone else,

Thanks for showing some love! I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one thinking this!

B-Serious

]]> By: Nita http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/sometimes-our-readers-say-it-so-well/comment-page-1/#comment-5064 Nita Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:35:00 +0000 http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=879#comment-5064 Preach, B-serious. Preach, B-serious.

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