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		<title>By: Gene Koo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Koo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you guys are really ignoring Kevin Myles&#039; credible clarification of Bonds&#039; statement. Scroll up and read!</description>
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		<title>By: NMP</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Bond CONVENIENTLY omits is that the calendar was originally scheduled to give South Carolina and Nevada early voting status because of the high populations of African Americans and Latinos respectively.  So this idea that Florida and Michigan were moving up their primaries to give African Americans and Latinos more weight is ridiculous!  It was a move by Clinton operatives to help her diminish the loss she knew was likely in South Carolina.  So, if anything moving up their dates was an effort to disenfranchise African American voters in South Carolina!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Bond CONVENIENTLY omits is that the calendar was originally scheduled to give South Carolina and Nevada early voting status because of the high populations of African Americans and Latinos respectively.  So this idea that Florida and Michigan were moving up their primaries to give African Americans and Latinos more weight is ridiculous!  It was a move by Clinton operatives to help her diminish the loss she knew was likely in South Carolina.  So, if anything moving up their dates was an effort to disenfranchise African American voters in South Carolina!</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to start a writing campaign to the DNC.  We need to tell them in great numbers that if they find a way to steal the election from Obama (courts i.e. Bush vs Gore, superdelegates or gaming the Florida &amp; Michigan delegates for Clinton) we will quit the Democractic party and no contributions for the general election.   The only way these people will learn a lesson is if they lose the ge.   Otherwise anything we say or do will fall on deaf ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to start a writing campaign to the DNC.  We need to tell them in great numbers that if they find a way to steal the election from Obama (courts i.e. Bush vs Gore, superdelegates or gaming the Florida &#038; Michigan delegates for Clinton) we will quit the Democractic party and no contributions for the general election.   The only way these people will learn a lesson is if they lose the ge.   Otherwise anything we say or do will fall on deaf ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does history repeat itself?  Is this really W.E.B Dubois vs. Booker T. Washington in 2008?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is this the &quot;Talented 10th&quot; vs. &quot;The Happily Segregated?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;b.serious, you&#039;re so right...How the CBC, Julian Bond and Tavis Smiley could align themselves so closely with the Clintons despite the resounding aftermath of their actions...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There&#039;s an article in the NYTimes about Michelle Obama...There&#039;s an excerpt that caused me to shed tears:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“My parents told us time and time again, ‘Don’t tell us what you can’t do,’ ” she said. “ ‘And don’t worry about what can go wrong.’ ”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;She talks on the campaign trail about high school advisers who tried to dissuade her from applying to Princeton because they thought her scores were not good enough. (She graduated with honors in sociology in 1985.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;She talks about college counselors who said similar things about her desire to go to Harvard Law, from which she graduated and went on to one of the top corporate firms in Chicago.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“I realized that gnawing sense of self doubt that lies within all of us is within our own heads,” she said in Atlanta. “The truth is we are more ready and more prepared than we even know. My own life is proof of that.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wish that I could convey the true impact of her statement ON ME...maybe I&#039;m the only one here who can relate to it...I don&#039;t think so...I think there are many of us who can relate to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does history repeat itself?  Is this really W.E.B Dubois vs. Booker T. Washington in 2008?  </p>
<p>Is this the &#8220;Talented 10th&#8221; vs. &#8220;The Happily Segregated?&#8221;</p>
<p>b.serious, you&#8217;re so right&#8230;How the CBC, Julian Bond and Tavis Smiley could align themselves so closely with the Clintons despite the resounding aftermath of their actions&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an article in the NYTimes about Michelle Obama&#8230;There&#8217;s an excerpt that caused me to shed tears:<br /><i><br />“My parents told us time and time again, ‘Don’t tell us what you can’t do,’ ” she said. “ ‘And don’t worry about what can go wrong.’ ”</p>
<p>She talks on the campaign trail about high school advisers who tried to dissuade her from applying to Princeton because they thought her scores were not good enough. (She graduated with honors in sociology in 1985.)</p>
<p>She talks about college counselors who said similar things about her desire to go to Harvard Law, from which she graduated and went on to one of the top corporate firms in Chicago.</p>
<p>“I realized that gnawing sense of self doubt that lies within all of us is within our own heads,” she said in Atlanta. “The truth is we are more ready and more prepared than we even know. My own life is proof of that.”<br /></i><br />I wish that I could convey the true impact of her statement ON ME&#8230;maybe I&#8217;m the only one here who can relate to it&#8230;I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;I think there are many of us who can relate to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hillary Clinton will take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote, but persuades enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/clinton_counts.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What a bunch of disgusting power grubbing assholes.  They care so much about the voters, they&#039;ll ignore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hillary Clinton will take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote, but persuades enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/clinton_counts.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/clinton_counts.html</a></p>
<p>What a bunch of disgusting power grubbing assholes.  They care so much about the voters, they&#8217;ll ignore them.</p>
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		<title>By: TrueBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrueBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though Barack has, essentially, check-mated the Klinton Klan, DO NOT relax or turn your back. In the space of just a few short days you have Ed Rendell seeding more race-talk in Pennsylvania and then this incredible (if true) Julian Bond load of cr*p. Do you think for a minute these scumbags won&#039;t do whatever they think it takes to claw their way to power again? Look at this in tomorrow&#039;s NY Times:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/us/politics/14delegates.html?hp&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They&#039;re already conceding they can&#039;t win through democratic means, and are laying the groundwork for diabolical plans to steal this. Look what they&#039;ve got us doing: talking and worrying about freaking Julian Bond! Thank god for Obama--I think he is just too damn smart for them. Run up the score, bigtime, with record turnouts everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though Barack has, essentially, check-mated the Klinton Klan, DO NOT relax or turn your back. In the space of just a few short days you have Ed Rendell seeding more race-talk in Pennsylvania and then this incredible (if true) Julian Bond load of cr*p. Do you think for a minute these scumbags won&#8217;t do whatever they think it takes to claw their way to power again? Look at this in tomorrow&#8217;s NY Times:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/us/politics/14delegates.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/us/politics/14delegates.html?hp</a></p>
<p>They&#8217;re already conceding they can&#8217;t win through democratic means, and are laying the groundwork for diabolical plans to steal this. Look what they&#8217;ve got us doing: talking and worrying about freaking Julian Bond! Thank god for Obama&#8211;I think he is just too damn smart for them. Run up the score, bigtime, with record turnouts everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: B-Serious</title>
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		<dc:creator>B-Serious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is complete BULL!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bond can try and spin this as a civil rights issue all he wants.  The question still remains...WHY NOW?!?!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He should have said this months ago.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The &quot;pledge&quot; is besides the point.  The delegates are not supposed to count.  End of story.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sorry, but Bond&#039;s explaination sounds like it came straight out of Clinton&#039;s talking points memo.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And to top it off, he makes it seem like Obama wasn&#039;t for black people . . . like he sided with white Iowa/NH and threw black MI/FL under the bus.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This don&#039;t feel right, people.  You watch.  This is gonna get really ugly.  From the CBC to Bond to Tavis Smiley, it&#039;ll be a civil war amongst the black leadership before Obama takes his oath of office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is complete BULL!  </p>
<p>Bond can try and spin this as a civil rights issue all he wants.  The question still remains&#8230;WHY NOW?!?!</p>
<p>He should have said this months ago.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;pledge&#8221; is besides the point.  The delegates are not supposed to count.  End of story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but Bond&#8217;s explaination sounds like it came straight out of Clinton&#8217;s talking points memo.</p>
<p>And to top it off, he makes it seem like Obama wasn&#8217;t for black people . . . like he sided with white Iowa/NH and threw black MI/FL under the bus.</p>
<p>This don&#8217;t feel right, people.  You watch.  This is gonna get really ugly.  From the CBC to Bond to Tavis Smiley, it&#8217;ll be a civil war amongst the black leadership before Obama takes his oath of office.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s argument is that, at the end of the day, superdelegates should vote for the candidate with the most earned delegates.  Clinton&#039;s argument is the opposite - let the superdelegates decide without regard public will, which was the purpose of the superdelegate system in the first place.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I couldn&#039;t fathom why it wouldn&#039;t make her  nauseous to make that argument.  I mean, if that comes to pass, why does she want to stick around when she&#039;s not wanted?  Then, I figured out that she really thinks she knows better than us stupid voters.  She thinks the voters are rubes.  That&#039;s why she&#039;ll lie to their faces to get their votes.  In her mind, that&#039;s the only way she can win and she believes she&#039;s doing them a service.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What an arrogant and craven fool.  Reminds me of that idiot Lieberman running as an independent after he lost the primary.  And look at that turd now, campaigning for McCain.  He&#039;ll probably blast democrats at the repulican convention - maybe he&#039;ll challenge Chris Matthews to a duel, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s argument is that, at the end of the day, superdelegates should vote for the candidate with the most earned delegates.  Clinton&#8217;s argument is the opposite &#8211; let the superdelegates decide without regard public will, which was the purpose of the superdelegate system in the first place.  </p>
<p>But I couldn&#8217;t fathom why it wouldn&#8217;t make her  nauseous to make that argument.  I mean, if that comes to pass, why does she want to stick around when she&#8217;s not wanted?  Then, I figured out that she really thinks she knows better than us stupid voters.  She thinks the voters are rubes.  That&#8217;s why she&#8217;ll lie to their faces to get their votes.  In her mind, that&#8217;s the only way she can win and she believes she&#8217;s doing them a service.</p>
<p>What an arrogant and craven fool.  Reminds me of that idiot Lieberman running as an independent after he lost the primary.  And look at that turd now, campaigning for McCain.  He&#8217;ll probably blast democrats at the repulican convention &#8211; maybe he&#8217;ll challenge Chris Matthews to a duel, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone wanting to Donate to Senator Obama&#039;s campaign should do so directly on his website (information can be found there as well for anyone preferring mailed donations).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;barackobama.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone wanting to Donate to Senator Obama&#8217;s campaign should do so directly on his website (information can be found there as well for anyone preferring mailed donations).</p>
<p>barackobama.com</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I also saw a post on huffington post (by some guy named Mark Green) who combined Florida/Michigan with the superdelegate issue. These are two ENTIRELY separate issues, and should NEVER be &quot;lumped together&quot; like &quot;these are the rules, you&#039;ve gotta play by the rules&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;babyming,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;it&#039;s called confusing the issues. trying to get them entangled. Green is an official Clinton shill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I also saw a post on huffington post (by some guy named Mark Green) who combined Florida/Michigan with the superdelegate issue. These are two ENTIRELY separate issues, and should NEVER be &#8220;lumped together&#8221; like &#8220;these are the rules, you&#8217;ve gotta play by the rules&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>babyming,</p>
<p>it&#8217;s called confusing the issues. trying to get them entangled. Green is an official Clinton shill.</p>
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		<title>By: Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree @anon, &quot;timing is everything,&quot; and Julian Bond&#039;s timing = handkerchief-head timing...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Isn&#039;t it interesting that what may be two of the most critical primaries are going to be occuring in handkerchief-heads Sheila Jackson Lee and Stephanie Tubbs Jones&#039;s home states...TX and OH respectively?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll take that as a good sign, b/c John Lewis is from GA and we brought GA home to OBAMA.  To folks on this blog from TX and OH: Bring it home for US ALL!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BTW, great article on the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/us/politics/14michelle.html?hp&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Next First Lady of the United States.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And why is this dude on the Huffington Post stealing my material on the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/trey-ellis/bring-em-home-obamaw_b_86429.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Next Vice-President of the United States&lt;/a&gt;???&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Look back through my comments, I&#039;ve been talking up Webb since December...damn, I even took it as my username on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree @anon, &#8220;timing is everything,&#8221; and Julian Bond&#8217;s timing = handkerchief-head timing&#8230;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it interesting that what may be two of the most critical primaries are going to be occuring in handkerchief-heads Sheila Jackson Lee and Stephanie Tubbs Jones&#8217;s home states&#8230;TX and OH respectively?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take that as a good sign, b/c John Lewis is from GA and we brought GA home to OBAMA.  To folks on this blog from TX and OH: Bring it home for US ALL!</p>
<p>BTW, great article on the <a HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/us/politics/14michelle.html?hp" REL="nofollow">Next First Lady of the United States.</a></p>
<p>And why is this dude on the Huffington Post stealing my material on the <a HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/trey-ellis/bring-em-home-obamaw_b_86429.html" REL="nofollow">Next Vice-President of the United States</a>???</p>
<p>Look back through my comments, I&#8217;ve been talking up Webb since December&#8230;damn, I even took it as my username on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW people if you haven&#039;t already (or even if you have), now&#039;s the time to donate to Obama&#039;s campaign: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://tinyurl.com/39q42v&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Remember you can donate multiple times up to the $2,300 individual limit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We gotta push hard now more than even before, to win not just in Wisconsin but also in Ohio and Texas, and to win by crushing margins so that Obama runs up the delegate count and overcomes any Clinton superdelegate bribery.  Remember that when you donate, you can also Email friends and family to do the same.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, if any of you have even the most tenuous Ohio, Wisconsin, Texas, Vermont or Rhode Island connections, please sign up to phone bank, go door-to-door, volunteer for GOTV, put Obama paraphernalia on your car or by your home, pass out campaign literature and just generally campaign intensively for Obama.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We have to go all out in Texas and Ohio in particular.  This has to be a nonstop push to get out the vote and convince people why we need Obama to lead today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW people if you haven&#8217;t already (or even if you have), now&#8217;s the time to donate to Obama&#8217;s campaign: </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/39q42v" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/39q42v</a></p>
<p>Remember you can donate multiple times up to the $2,300 individual limit.</p>
<p>We gotta push hard now more than even before, to win not just in Wisconsin but also in Ohio and Texas, and to win by crushing margins so that Obama runs up the delegate count and overcomes any Clinton superdelegate bribery.  Remember that when you donate, you can also Email friends and family to do the same.</p>
<p>Also, if any of you have even the most tenuous Ohio, Wisconsin, Texas, Vermont or Rhode Island connections, please sign up to phone bank, go door-to-door, volunteer for GOTV, put Obama paraphernalia on your car or by your home, pass out campaign literature and just generally campaign intensively for Obama.  </p>
<p>We have to go all out in Texas and Ohio in particular.  This has to be a nonstop push to get out the vote and convince people why we need Obama to lead today.</p>
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		<title>By: babyming</title>
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		<dc:creator>babyming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen so much discussion about FL and MI on various blogs.  It seems that quite a few (unfortunately) people do not know that in both Florida and Michigan, (1) Barack Obama was not on the ballot, (2) Hillary Clinton&#039;s name was on the ballot. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sure that many, hopefully most of you all are well aware of this already.  But many people apparently do not know this. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also saw a post on huffington post (by some guy named Mark Green) who combined Florida/Michigan with the superdelegate issue.  These are two ENTIRELY separate issues, and should NEVER be &quot;lumped together&quot; like &quot;these are the rules, you&#039;ve gotta play by the rules&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen so much discussion about FL and MI on various blogs.  It seems that quite a few (unfortunately) people do not know that in both Florida and Michigan, (1) Barack Obama was not on the ballot, (2) Hillary Clinton&#8217;s name was on the ballot. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that many, hopefully most of you all are well aware of this already.  But many people apparently do not know this. </p>
<p>I also saw a post on huffington post (by some guy named Mark Green) who combined Florida/Michigan with the superdelegate issue.  These are two ENTIRELY separate issues, and should NEVER be &#8220;lumped together&#8221; like &#8220;these are the rules, you&#8217;ve gotta play by the rules&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How sad to see someone formerly of such esteem as Julian Bond, join the ranks of Bob Johnson and the other House Negroes and Lawn Jockeys licking the boots of Bill and Hillary KKKlinton.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obama did NOT campaign in either Michigan or Florida because he was following the rules that he, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards all agreed to at the start-- which of course, Hillary later broke when she did campaign in Florida.  Obama wasn&#039;t even on the Michigan ballot!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Like people are saying, this would be changing the rules of the game after the second half and even worse, trying to *retroactively* add bullshit points from the first half on that basis.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are the KKKlintons consciously trying to destroy the Democratic Party and the country in the process?  Is there any reprehensible tactic they haven&#039;t tried yet?  Let&#039;s see-- they blocked GOTV efforts in New Hampshire, they sued to close down Nevada caucus sites while giving false directions and prematurely closing pro-Obama sites in Las Vegas, they tried to tamper with voting machines and vote-tallying operations in South Carolina and Louisiana (and apparently got busted trying to do the same BS in Texas and Ohio), they went into overdrive to stop college students from voting in Iowa, they plant softball questioners in the audience, they race-baited Obama relentlessly before and after South Carolina and then accused the Obama campaign of playing the race card.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What&#039;s next?  The Clintons trying to pull a Tonya Harding and whacking Obama&#039;s knees?  Hiring an assassination squad?  Is there any level to which they wouldn&#039;t stoop in their own obsession for power? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Much as I love the USA, this is why I think we&#039;re soon headed for a fall, much worse than what befell ancient Rome all those centuries ago-- our democratic system does attract top talent like Obama, but it also attracts pathological narcissists like the Clintons who are willing to divide and destroy the nation if they think it would help them gain power.  They&#039;ve already done so much damage as it is, it&#039;s difficult to comprehend how they could do more, but they&#039;re sure trying to build further on that foundation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How sad to see someone formerly of such esteem as Julian Bond, join the ranks of Bob Johnson and the other House Negroes and Lawn Jockeys licking the boots of Bill and Hillary KKKlinton.  </p>
<p>Obama did NOT campaign in either Michigan or Florida because he was following the rules that he, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards all agreed to at the start&#8211; which of course, Hillary later broke when she did campaign in Florida.  Obama wasn&#8217;t even on the Michigan ballot!  </p>
<p>Like people are saying, this would be changing the rules of the game after the second half and even worse, trying to *retroactively* add bullshit points from the first half on that basis.  </p>
<p>Are the KKKlintons consciously trying to destroy the Democratic Party and the country in the process?  Is there any reprehensible tactic they haven&#8217;t tried yet?  Let&#8217;s see&#8211; they blocked GOTV efforts in New Hampshire, they sued to close down Nevada caucus sites while giving false directions and prematurely closing pro-Obama sites in Las Vegas, they tried to tamper with voting machines and vote-tallying operations in South Carolina and Louisiana (and apparently got busted trying to do the same BS in Texas and Ohio), they went into overdrive to stop college students from voting in Iowa, they plant softball questioners in the audience, they race-baited Obama relentlessly before and after South Carolina and then accused the Obama campaign of playing the race card.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s next?  The Clintons trying to pull a Tonya Harding and whacking Obama&#8217;s knees?  Hiring an assassination squad?  Is there any level to which they wouldn&#8217;t stoop in their own obsession for power? </p>
<p>Much as I love the USA, this is why I think we&#8217;re soon headed for a fall, much worse than what befell ancient Rome all those centuries ago&#8211; our democratic system does attract top talent like Obama, but it also attracts pathological narcissists like the Clintons who are willing to divide and destroy the nation if they think it would help them gain power.  They&#8217;ve already done so much damage as it is, it&#8217;s difficult to comprehend how they could do more, but they&#8217;re sure trying to build further on that foundation!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But as I said in my earlier post (which I can now say with certainty after having read his clarifying statement) the position Bond espoused was not that the delegations should be seated in accordance with the results of the &#039;primaries&#039;. But rather the people of Michigan and Florida should be given some opportunity to vote and indicate their choice, whether that be through a new primary or caucus or some other means.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fair enough BUT the question still remains: Why didn&#039;t Bond speak up months ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But as I said in my earlier post (which I can now say with certainty after having read his clarifying statement) the position Bond espoused was not that the delegations should be seated in accordance with the results of the &#8216;primaries&#8217;. But rather the people of Michigan and Florida should be given some opportunity to vote and indicate their choice, whether that be through a new primary or caucus or some other means.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair enough BUT the question still remains: Why didn&#8217;t Bond speak up months ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This debate over FL and MI may be mute.  These primaries/caucuses have been fraught with so much DRAMA, it&#039;s damn near unbelievable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If Obama prevails in TX and OH, then this can all be ended.  As Mary J would say, &quot;No more drama.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a part of this J&amp;J community, I want to especially thank Jack and DNA for your spectacular work in the Potomac Primaries...you all have put *O* over-the-top!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This debate over FL and MI may be mute.  These primaries/caucuses have been fraught with so much DRAMA, it&#8217;s damn near unbelievable.</p>
<p>If Obama prevails in TX and OH, then this can all be ended.  As Mary J would say, &#8220;No more drama.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a part of this J&#038;J community, I want to especially thank Jack and DNA for your spectacular work in the Potomac Primaries&#8230;you all have put *O* over-the-top!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the party is going to be ripped apart, hrc will stop at nothing for her power grab, and, eventual defeat to someone too old and inept for the office, who has two issues, open borders and a silly war that can&#039;t and won&#039;t be won, that a duped public buys into while the economy sinks and china and europe rise above this sinking ship that hate and fear have bred for the past 8 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the party is going to be ripped apart, hrc will stop at nothing for her power grab, and, eventual defeat to someone too old and inept for the office, who has two issues, open borders and a silly war that can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t be won, that a duped public buys into while the economy sinks and china and europe rise above this sinking ship that hate and fear have bred for the past 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSNBC is reporting on this letter too.  Seems like it may have really come from him.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regardless, for everyone discussing allowing them to hold future contests, what is the basis?  The DNC didn&#039;t strip them of their delagates because they wantes to disenfranchise them.  The states made a decision.  I personally feel they should have to live with that.  Those 4 states were chosen for a reason to be first.  Finally, its actually not fair to the the other candidates (not just Barack or Hillary).  The timing of theses primaries and caucuses is factored into campaign strategy.  To change it this late in the race is unfair and wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSNBC is reporting on this letter too.  Seems like it may have really come from him.  </p>
<p>Regardless, for everyone discussing allowing them to hold future contests, what is the basis?  The DNC didn&#8217;t strip them of their delagates because they wantes to disenfranchise them.  The states made a decision.  I personally feel they should have to live with that.  Those 4 states were chosen for a reason to be first.  Finally, its actually not fair to the the other candidates (not just Barack or Hillary).  The timing of theses primaries and caucuses is factored into campaign strategy.  To change it this late in the race is unfair and wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: KMyles</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you wih absolute certainty that the letter is NOT a hoax. Julian Bond has since issued a clarifying statement to the members of the National Board. But as I said in my earlier post (which I can now say with certainty after having read his clarifying statement) the position Bond espoused was not that the delegations should be seated in accordance with the results of the &#039;primaries&#039;. But rather the people of Michigan and Florida should be given some opportunity to vote and indicate their choice, whether that be through a new primary or caucus or some other means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you wih absolute certainty that the letter is NOT a hoax. Julian Bond has since issued a clarifying statement to the members of the National Board. But as I said in my earlier post (which I can now say with certainty after having read his clarifying statement) the position Bond espoused was not that the delegations should be seated in accordance with the results of the &#8216;primaries&#8217;. But rather the people of Michigan and Florida should be given some opportunity to vote and indicate their choice, whether that be through a new primary or caucus or some other means.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anonymous said:&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Guys, I think this letter is a hoax, and I do not believe that it came from Julian Bond.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t know if this particular letter is a hoax, but Al Sharpton and the Associated Press are going with the story that Bond wrote &quot;a&quot; letter to Howard Dean.  See the link below:&lt;br/&gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jBJoIRU0gvxVNHPg5taMC5AaxnKQD8UPGUN00</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymous said:<br />&#8220;Guys, I think this letter is a hoax, and I do not believe that it came from Julian Bond.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this particular letter is a hoax, but Al Sharpton and the Associated Press are going with the story that Bond wrote &#8220;a&#8221; letter to Howard Dean.  See the link below:<br /><a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jBJoIRU0gvxVNHPg5taMC5AaxnKQD8UPGUN00" rel="nofollow">http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jBJoIRU0gvxVNHPg5taMC5AaxnKQD8UPGUN00</a></p>
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