<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Frontlines for Obama in the Potomac Primary: Saturday</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:13:11 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4158</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4158</guid> <description>Anderkoo,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Where is the realignment on the left where Obama is concerned? Most progressives and Democrats see little difference between Clinton and Obama. It all seems to be about likeability and personal style more than real policy differences. I don&#039;t feel as though moderates and independents can really trust Democrats to include their concerns in the national debate. Just ask Joe Liberman.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;McCain has moved to the center on torture, immigration, global-warming,  and wasteful government spending.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderkoo,</p><p>Where is the realignment on the left where Obama is concerned? Most progressives and Democrats see little difference between Clinton and Obama. It all seems to be about likeability and personal style more than real policy differences. I don&#8217;t feel as though moderates and independents can really trust Democrats to include their concerns in the national debate. Just ask Joe Liberman.</p><p>McCain has moved to the center on torture, immigration, global-warming,  and wasteful government spending.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anderkoo</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4151</link> <dc:creator>Anderkoo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4151</guid> <description>@ anonymous #1: The majority of Americans are not far-right, but Reagan sure made it seem that way. There&#039;s a big-strategy decision that the Obama campaign made that interest-based politics can only take us so far -- that it can play within the margins of what&#039;s been set, but that Reagan set the margins so that certain things, like universal health care, would be forever off the table. We need to speak to people&#039;s fundamental values (that we as a society care for each other, etc) and reshape the debate before we&#039;ll make any big changes.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do take seriously the possibility that incremental changes can get us there too, and the fact that Bill couldn&#039;t do it last time doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re forever tied to history. I happen to think it&#039;s a riskier strategy, though.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;IMHO, what we need is a JFK  (Obama) BEFORE a LBJ (Clinton). Clinton wasn&#039;t wrong to point out that it was LBJ who got so much legislation passed. But she failed to acknowledge that Nixon also passed a lot of progressive laws -- because MLK, JFK, and RFK all reset American politics in a path that LBJ pounded home and Nixon couldn&#039;t diverge from (just as Clinton couldn&#039;t shed the Reagan legacy).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the bigger picture I think we&#039;re due for a realignment of what &quot;left&quot; and &quot;right&quot; means. I suspect if Obama is chosen many libertarians may flee his more communitarian mindset, but that many Christians -- non-rabid Huckabee supporters -- will find his spiritual voice and call for community (rather than individualism) inspiring. But that analysis is driven as much by hope as facts... we&#039;ll see if/when it comes to pass.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ anonymous #1: The majority of Americans are not far-right, but Reagan sure made it seem that way. There&#8217;s a big-strategy decision that the Obama campaign made that interest-based politics can only take us so far &#8212; that it can play within the margins of what&#8217;s been set, but that Reagan set the margins so that certain things, like universal health care, would be forever off the table. We need to speak to people&#8217;s fundamental values (that we as a society care for each other, etc) and reshape the debate before we&#8217;ll make any big changes.</p><p>I do take seriously the possibility that incremental changes can get us there too, and the fact that Bill couldn&#8217;t do it last time doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re forever tied to history. I happen to think it&#8217;s a riskier strategy, though.</p><p>IMHO, what we need is a JFK  (Obama) BEFORE a LBJ (Clinton). Clinton wasn&#8217;t wrong to point out that it was LBJ who got so much legislation passed. But she failed to acknowledge that Nixon also passed a lot of progressive laws &#8212; because MLK, JFK, and RFK all reset American politics in a path that LBJ pounded home and Nixon couldn&#8217;t diverge from (just as Clinton couldn&#8217;t shed the Reagan legacy).</p><p>In the bigger picture I think we&#8217;re due for a realignment of what &#8220;left&#8221; and &#8220;right&#8221; means. I suspect if Obama is chosen many libertarians may flee his more communitarian mindset, but that many Christians &#8212; non-rabid Huckabee supporters &#8212; will find his spiritual voice and call for community (rather than individualism) inspiring. But that analysis is driven as much by hope as facts&#8230; we&#8217;ll see if/when it comes to pass.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4147</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4147</guid> <description>I think one of the best things Obama can do to help the poor is to support school choice! Its empowering and doesn&#039;t require a tax increase. Of course, the NEA won&#039;t like that, but isn&#039;t our man not supposed to care about lobbyists?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That would go along way with moderates and Catholic dems too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the best things Obama can do to help the poor is to support school choice! Its empowering and doesn&#8217;t require a tax increase. Of course, the NEA won&#8217;t like that, but isn&#8217;t our man not supposed to care about lobbyists?</p><p>That would go along way with moderates and Catholic dems too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: chicago dyke</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4146</link> <dc:creator>chicago dyke</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4146</guid> <description>great report.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;thanks for mentioning the black-on-black &#039;traitor&#039; meme, i&#039;ve seen some interesting discussions about that and i&#039;m glad most of them are out in the open. same re: women and hillary. it&#039;s good we can disagree, that&#039;s a sign of freedom.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i found &quot;anita&#039;s&quot; comments refreshing. not that i exect any of the front runners to &quot;help the poor,&quot; but it&#039;s an important question and i think all obama supporters should ask for specifics from him. he wrote in Foreign Policy magazine that he wants to increase the military budget and size, but i can&#039;t help but wonder in this age of record (bush made) debt, &#039;where will that money come from? social programs that help the poor?&#039; i hope he proves me wrong and does the right thing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great report.</p><p>thanks for mentioning the black-on-black &#8216;traitor&#8217; meme, i&#8217;ve seen some interesting discussions about that and i&#8217;m glad most of them are out in the open. same re: women and hillary. it&#8217;s good we can disagree, that&#8217;s a sign of freedom.</p><p>i found &#8220;anita&#8217;s&#8221; comments refreshing. not that i exect any of the front runners to &#8220;help the poor,&#8221; but it&#8217;s an important question and i think all obama supporters should ask for specifics from him. he wrote in Foreign Policy magazine that he wants to increase the military budget and size, but i can&#8217;t help but wonder in this age of record (bush made) debt, &#8216;where will that money come from? social programs that help the poor?&#8217; i hope he proves me wrong and does the right thing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cluizel</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4137</link> <dc:creator>Cluizel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4137</guid> <description>Great recap!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I did some canvassing in West Harlem before Super Tuesday and I ran into a few rude supporters of the other candidates. For the most part it was a great experience though…&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I commend you for traveling to canvas other areas! Can’t wait to hear more</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great recap!</p><p>I did some canvassing in West Harlem before Super Tuesday and I ran into a few rude supporters of the other candidates. For the most part it was a great experience though…</p><p>I commend you for traveling to canvas other areas! Can’t wait to hear more</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: D.</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4135</link> <dc:creator>D.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4135</guid> <description>Glad you mentioned that you weren&#039;t condemning me to hell (smile).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On your last point from your &quot;family caucus&quot;: so why do you (and anyone else who wants wo weigh in) think black people who aren&#039;t for/criticize Obama are considered traitors?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you mentioned that you weren&#8217;t condemning me to hell (smile).</p><p>On your last point from your &#8220;family caucus&#8221;: so why do you (and anyone else who wants wo weigh in) think black people who aren&#8217;t for/criticize Obama are considered traitors?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4134</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4134</guid> <description>Great report.  I believe your account speaks to my frustration and reservations about Obama. With the hopes of so many voters riding on Obama, his soaring rhetoric needs to be supplemented with specifics. Reality not romance will swing skeptical, non-black, independents and Reagan Democrats to his side.&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;So may of my family are &quot;Reagan Democrats.&quot; Catholic, working-class, white men like my grandad and dad. They said Reagan was so effective as a communicator because he had a set of core beliefs (smaller government,lower taxes, belief and confidence in each individual citizen, strong national defense) around which he could wrap his optimistic and inspirational words. But, they say, Obama is too liberal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I find Obama a compelling political figure and someone with whom I would like to find common cause. I have been looking to many blogs for  a &#039;moderate&#039; case for Obama. I can&#039;t find one. One commenter on this site told me that if I couldn&#039;t reconcile myself to Obama it was because I didn&#039;t want to. Not true. But asking me to fully accept his left-leaning positions without movement towards the positions of the &quot;Great American Middle&quot; reminds me of a quote by Bart Simpson:&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Christmas is a time when people of all religions come together to celebrate the birth of Christ.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Right now, Obama is postioned to the very far left.  If he is hoping to move the country toward a more progressive agenda, then own up to it...but he is talking about building a &#039;working majority&#039; in this country. The majority of Americans are not far left.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If Obama wins the nomination, he will lose many Reagan Democrats (like my parents) and independents (like myself and my husband)to McCain, who are more likely to prefer bread and butter to cotton candy. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any thoughts?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great report.  I believe your account speaks to my frustration and reservations about Obama. With the hopes of so many voters riding on Obama, his soaring rhetoric needs to be supplemented with specifics. Reality not romance will swing skeptical, non-black, independents and Reagan Democrats to his side.</p><p>So may of my family are &#8220;Reagan Democrats.&#8221; Catholic, working-class, white men like my grandad and dad. They said Reagan was so effective as a communicator because he had a set of core beliefs (smaller government,lower taxes, belief and confidence in each individual citizen, strong national defense) around which he could wrap his optimistic and inspirational words. But, they say, Obama is too liberal.</p><p>I find Obama a compelling political figure and someone with whom I would like to find common cause. I have been looking to many blogs for  a &#8216;moderate&#8217; case for Obama. I can&#8217;t find one. One commenter on this site told me that if I couldn&#8217;t reconcile myself to Obama it was because I didn&#8217;t want to. Not true. But asking me to fully accept his left-leaning positions without movement towards the positions of the &#8220;Great American Middle&#8221; reminds me of a quote by Bart Simpson:<br />&#8220;Christmas is a time when people of all religions come together to celebrate the birth of Christ.&#8221;</p><p>Right now, Obama is postioned to the very far left.  If he is hoping to move the country toward a more progressive agenda, then own up to it&#8230;but he is talking about building a &#8216;working majority&#8217; in this country. The majority of Americans are not far left.</p><p>If Obama wins the nomination, he will lose many Reagan Democrats (like my parents) and independents (like myself and my husband)to McCain, who are more likely to prefer bread and butter to cotton candy.</p><p>Any thoughts?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: chicanaskies</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4130</link> <dc:creator>chicanaskies</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4130</guid> <description>I commend you.  I think it&#039;s beautiful that Obama doesn&#039;t just give lip service to inspiration and hope (which critics of him say), but that his supporters actually voluntarily becoming invested members of the political process.  His website is absolutely brilliant in this regard.  I feel the need to go do some phonebanking now, lol.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commend you.  I think it&#8217;s beautiful that Obama doesn&#8217;t just give lip service to inspiration and hope (which critics of him say), but that his supporters actually voluntarily becoming invested members of the political process.  His website is absolutely brilliant in this regard.  I feel the need to go do some phonebanking now, lol.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4128</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:10:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4128</guid> <description>I love it. Love it. You&#039;ve got to give us some more. I really appreciate you sharing this with us.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it. Love it. You&#8217;ve got to give us some more. I really appreciate you sharing this with us.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ikl</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/frontlines-for-obama-in-the-potomac-primary-saturday/comment-page-1/#comment-4127</link> <dc:creator>ikl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:55:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=817#comment-4127</guid> <description>Good reporting!  All very interesting.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good reporting!  All very interesting.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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