What does Rangel have to say about this?

I believe it’s a bad idea to continue to blame ‘the other guys’ in order to avoid cleaning up the mess in one’s own house. If this had been Democrats versus Republicans, and the Republicans were the overwhelming beneficiary of the vote miscounts, it would be easy to blame Republicans for the machines mistakes. Why isn’t it just as easy to blame a fellow Democrat?

It can’t work both ways. Or can it? I don’t think so, but I may be wrong.

Republicans are not always the enemy. It’s time for Democrats to clean house and take the log out of their own eye.

The republicans only seem ‘complacent and smug’ because their own choices SUCK to them, and so the only joy they really have is looking at the mess Democrats are in. Republicans think that Democrats have played the politics of identity for far too long, and are now ‘reaping what they have sown’. Then there are the Freepers, who tolerate too much racism with their own but keep using the word ‘schadenfreude’ when observing what they perceive as the racism of the Democrat party. They are enjoying repeating any poll or news item showing the internal racism and sexism of the Democrat party. The problem is that — they’re right. That internal racism and sexism is not going to go away by playing Republicans or calling ‘the other guys’ thugs.

Time to remove logs instead of insisting it’s the mote in the other guy’s eye causing the problem.

On top of all that, there’s the little issue about citizen Republicans never liking the Clintons. So watching each new grave that the Clintons dig for themselves brings a rueful smile to many people’s faces. It’s the ‘I told you so’ factor. That’s in spite of the internal struggle that seems to be going down with people trying to decide whether they’d rather support the enemy they know (the Clintons) rather than the enemy they don’t (Obama) for the sake of gridlock; or just stay home and say ‘f— it’ rather than support a person they consider more of a liberal than a conservative (McCain).

‘how dare this black man not step into the gutter as i approach’ is real, and Hillary is the stand-in. Democrats don’t need to worry about Republicans; Democrats need to worry about other Democrats.

this is the tip of the iceberg, a disaster we’ll be facing in november and likely the reason the rethugs are so complacent and so smug.

after stealing two elections, they have simply refined and honed their techniques. there’s no real need to get a candidate they like or to campaign seriously. their intention is to disenfranchise voters and to steal the election once again.

every registered democrat and independent should regularly check his/her voter registration up to the date. they are purging the roles through caging and other illegal practices and it will continue. by far the vast majority of voters disenfranchised are democrats.

do not trust these people, they will fuck us every time.

The usual thing that is done here to skew votes is by sending old/broken machines to poor and minority districts (we still use the old lever machines from the 60s)–not erasing ALL votes for one candidate in such a blatant and easily caught way. This was caught (as it of course would be) and they’re fixing it–more delegates might go to Obama as a result, but the only borough really close was Brooklyn from what i can tell–not the whole city or the whole state. (Out of the city, they use all sorts of different machines/systems–but the whole city is still using the old lever machines alone)

jon

I agree, they need to investigate what went down in Harlem. This is madness. They have to be stopped. This is not the way to get to the White House.

Why do they want it so badly, they’re willing to subvert the vote (and the Constitution)? What’s in the White House that the Clintons need so badly to return?

How can they be stopped and made accountable for what they’re doing to the Party, and to the country?

NO!

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re all hopeless Hopemongers here. We only care about inspiration and hope and great speeches. And we totally believe that Obama’s campaign is 100% financed by the small donors like us the campaign has highlighted. We don’t understand anything about law firms and financial institutions donating to campaigns. After all, everyone knows that most Obama voters aren’t very well educated and don’t make much money, so why would we know about such things? Only Clinton supporters can understand such wonders.

Hillary is doing everything she can to turn things negative. The debates themselves have become a negative emotional experience (I hate to watch them).

Obama’s “secret weapon” is being uplifting and positive. The more he gets out among the people and gives his great speeches, the more people will appreciate him.

Here’s a cople things to consider about Texas:

- Texas’ primary process actually consists of a conventional primary vote AND a caucus, with pledged delegated beng awarded to the candidates based on how well they do in both the vote and the caucus.

- Delegate allocation is based on state senatorial districts rather than Congressional districts. In the case of the Democrats, ach senatorial district is allocated anywhere from two to 7 delegates, based on that district’s Democratic voter turnout in the previous two general elections, in this case, 2004 and 2006.

- In both those elections, Hispanic turnout was low, while turnout among blacks and in the one or two senatorial districts dominated by white liberals was high.

Or not, as the case may be — he hasn’t shown much interest in actually counting the votes so far. We shall see.

jon

jon

LOL…I can’t lie. A brotha tivos The View when I get the chance. I don’t know what it is. I guess it’s like a car wreck on the highway – I can’t help but slow down and watch!

Obama is smart enough to keep it civil.

I feel you on the whole expectations game the Clintons are playing. The media is setting the table for a Hillary comeback. Buchanan said she’ll be the comeback kid if she comes close in Wisconsin.

Unreal. They will never give this man credit. I’ll say it again. If Hillary won 8 elections in a row by an AVERAGE of 29% Obama would have been forced to drop out already. But the Clintons have a different set of rules.

I really hope they investigate this NY thing. I read the article this morning and it did say that there actually were a couple of places where Hillary got 0 votes as well. But this still smells fishy. It would be an easy way to cover things up and simply claim error rather than election fraud. I mean come on . . . Obama gets 0 votes in HARLEM and BROOKLYN????

And a part of me still can’t get over NH. You don’t see 18% swings overnight like we did on that day. He was up by 12-15 points in most polls; yet he loses by 3%? That never sat well with me (but I guess that’s the conspiracy theorist in me – they did do a recount).

Also, I just wanted to give everyone a heads up. Get ready. The next attack on Obama: He’s a sexist.

I just saw this article on Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/16/abc-is-obama-using-sexis_n_87000.html

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/is-obama-using.html

I personally think this is fake outrage to try to get payback for SC. This is why I don’t want Obama to agree to more debates. The media will be looking for another Rick Lazio moment – you watch.

Hillary needs a game changer to get the huge margins she’ll need in TX and OH. She’s looking for a gotcha moment, a public gaffe to kill Obama’s campaign. Obama’s too smart to call her a b**ch on national tv. But you’ll have people like Taylor Marsh ready to twist anything he says or does to paint him as the devil.

Let’s keep it real. You’ve got Hillary supporters who want payback b/c they can’t accept the fact that Hillary’s campaign got caught playing the race card. So they’ll do whatever they can to accuse Obama of playing the gender card – even if they have to make it up (e.g., “you’re likeable enough”; the “snub”; the “staredown”; N.O.W.’s “gangbang”; and now this). The media might bite just to appear “fair.”

Get ready folks. Obama’s going to get everything imaginable thrown at him over the next few weeks. People are looking hard, grasping at staws, for a reason NOT to vote for him. I guess it’s good practice for the general election against the Republicans in November.

Who wants to bet that this will be the first thing they talk about on The View come Monday? lol!