Jack & Jill Politics

Baratunde, I have to tell you and your audience this, but Barack very definitely DID take the antiwar speech of his web site. Clinton got the year wrong though, it was May and June of 2003. I know because I was the one who caught it, and with Glen Ford, forced Obama to put it back on.


It happened during his Democratic primary run for the US Senate. We ain't makin' this stuff up. Obama himself answered the charge in our pages.



Here you can find the original link to the original pages from June 2003 in which (1) we spotted it and pointed it out and (2) Obama began to engage in a dialog with us about it, and gave a lame excuse for why it was dropped. The dialog continued into a third week and a second response from Obama. That part is here



We also forced Barack to remove his DLC tatoos, figuratively speaking read it. We will be reprinting the whole exchange again in this week's Black Agenda Report. It DID happen. Slick Willie has told lots of lies, but that wasn't one of them.



We are no fan of the Clintons, we are not about drinking anybody's campaign kool aid. We are all about holding folks accountable. That's it and that's all.

Where have i seen Slick Willie wag that finger before? Oh yes, I remember now. It was when he went before the american people in 1998 and said,"I have never had sexual relations with that woman,Ms. Lewinsky". Why anyone would believe anything that the only sitting president to ever be disbarred for perjury would say is beyond me!

d.


I, for one, have never liked the Clintons, nor have I ever voted for either of them. I made up my mind about them in, oh, about March 1992.



I'm a white independent. I think Obama is a genuinely inspiring candidate. Yesterday I made a donation to his campaign--the first donation I've ever made to any political candidate in my life. I'll be voting for him this coming Tuesday.



For me, it's not so much about policy positions. Obama is definitely to the left of me politically. McCain is definitely to the right of me. I respect both of them, because more than most politicians, they actually mean and believe in what they say.



I've never thought, for the last 16 years, that the Clintons believed in much of anything besides getting elected. The current president is just the other side of the same coin.



Partisan food fights haven't produced much of anything in the way of addressing substantive issues in the last 16 years. So I think it's time to try a different approach.



I noticed, in the video clip, that Bill Clinton used the term "factually accurate". This sounds eerily similar to the time he used the term "legally accurate" to describe his testimony in the Monicagate scandal. And, we know how that ended up.



Great site!

d.,


that was then.

this is now.



when a person screws up, it's foolish to let nostalgia cover their sins past and present.



it's kind of like making up excuses for a closet crack dealer who used to give popsicles to the kids 15 years ago, in his 'second home' while his real home was in the good neighborhood. you liked them then, you even appreciate that they deign to slum around with you, and you liked the popsicles that they paid for from other people's money, so you ignored all the ill shit they were doing while handing out popsicles. as long as you didn't see it, it didn't happen. and the cops made the mistake of engaging in ONE illegal bust, boo to the cops.



but that was then. this is now. the cops were right all along about the damage the crack dealer was doing to the community. the popsicles are not only long gone, but they ended up making the kids sick... and some of those kids are still sick.



The Clintons are the crack dealers. The cops are the Republicans. The popsicles are the bullshit the Clintons fed everybody (black, white, and other) while they were doing dirty. The sickness is what folks have reaped from ignoring that the popsicles -- shit like Travelgate, the strange support then quick abandonment of Lani, Vince Foster's alleged suicide and the raid of his office orchestrated by Hillary, the so-called black leadership's demands for inequity in drug sentencing which were acquised to, the welfare reform which fucked over a hell of a lot of families, the clusterfuck that was Somalia, the fuck ups that attended Yugoslavia, etc -- were poison.



That was then. The crackdealer still lives in their 'real home' but wants to move back into the neighborhood and slum some more. They want to hand out more popsicles. They want to make more money in the neighborhood without truly investing the money they gain back *into* that neighborhood.



Let's say no to the poison, man.



The Clintons are poison. They always have been. Better to know now, than to ignore what's staring us in the face because we were in love then.

backup, anonymous: america ferrera is a racist? what happened?




as for bill clinton: what does it mean that so many of us will continue to support bill and hillary anyway?



thank you all for this site. it allows everyone to get the word out, and to make sure that *certain* panderers don't get away with talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Check out Frank Rich's column about Klan Klinton in the Sunday Times tomorrow. He nails them both, but reminds us about what lengths they're going to go to to cling to power. Don't ever give up against these two, and don't turn your back.....

"Does the democratic party normally turn on people this easily"?
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Yeah. When they f%%%-up like Bill did!



Barack Obama has now won Nebraska and Washington! Woo Hoo!

So how many of you who are now hating Bill were for him in '92 and '96?


Does the democratic party normally turn on people this easily?

"And, he should stop with the lies while he's ahead, every time I see or hear him, his nose looks bigger".
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ahahahahahahaha

He has turned into one pitiful hot mess with this bid to be first husband, mind you if, he could be faithful, but, sorry Billy Bob, your apology is too little too late, save it for those who need and love you and, your alleged honorary black card. And, he should stop with the lies while he's ahead, every time I see or hear him, his nose looks bigger.

I am so amazed by the obvious assumption that we are all a bunch of f...ing idiots and if he says it wasn't so...then it wasn't so! He didn't really get mad and say that nigg... just won because a bunch of nigg... voted for him.


And let us not forget that immediately following the "Jesse (Clinton bootlicker) won SC too comment he went to Missouri, Independence (very racist) and spoke before a large, mostly white crowd and said there were 14 million more people who were going to vote and they would see how they would vote. Wellll, he had to eat that as well.



Thank God that racism he was counting on using to ignite passions in support of his wife; while defending her as her husband as he now claims, DID NOT WORK.



I'm afraid that if the race gets down to the convention and super dels, the lying sob doesnt find a way to steal it away from the people's choice!



Is anybody watching the media coverage that is so one sided in favor of Clinton? Let's talk about that. It's p...ing me off.

I know this is off topic but it must get said.


I watched Larry King last night with Will.I.Am, John Legend and America Ferrara. First, let me say that I was so impressed with Mr. Legend and how he articulately dispelled every side swipe and demeaning assertion that Ms. Ferrera made against Obama (except one because Larry wouldn't give him a chance to respond using a commerical as the excuse---King is in the bag for Hillary but most MSM are). Legend did us proud. I know that I will take some hits for what I will say next so I have put on my flame retardant suit.



That said, WTF is Will.I.Am doing other than feeding into the notion that Obama is nothing more than inspiring talk/slogans; this dude doesn't know a single issue position of Obama (and if he does know ANY issue point he hasn't been able to voice a single one in all of the many interviews he has done as a result of the Yes We Can video). Will.I.Am comes off looking like exactly what he accused "Obama Girl" of when the only positive thing he can say about Obama is that he gave a good speech in New Hampshire. WTF! I would be proud of Will.I.Am if he never does another interview as an "Obama supporter" again---yes make the video and help virally behind the scenes but please don't help the media feed this lie that Obama is just an inspirational empty suit and supporters are just drinking gallons of kool-aid.



Thank G_D for John Legend last night because America came for blood and she looked like she didn't want to sit next to two negroes...but I don't watch her show anyway because I didn't trust her from the start although the rest of the country jumped on her worship bandwagon. I will objectively say that America Ferrara held it down for Hillary and would have slaughtered Obama had John Legend not been present as a saving grace; I despise her candidate but America did right by Hillary which is the opposite of what Will.I.Am did (rolling my eyes).

Good Post 8:38! And Amen!

Bill's pseudo-apology here is yet another reason why we need to not just bring Hillary Clinton down here, but effect the wholesale destruction of the Clintons. They must never be allowed anywhere near public life again. They and their staffers must never, ever receive an ounce of support, and in fact they must receive nothing but unremitting, militant fury and hostility to make their lives unbearably miserable.


The Clintons are far too dangerous for African-Americans and far too dangerous for the nation-- if people stupidly were to accept this "apology," then white politicians in the future would know and follow the same script used by the Clintons: use a scorched-earth racist campaign, as ugly as you can make it, against a Black or Latino candidate, paint them in a corner, also race-bait and pit different minority groups against each other.



However then, at some point down the road, toss out a few crumbs to the Blacks and minorities you've offended so grievously, say "you're sorry" and "didn't mean it," put on some maudlin tear-jerker "I really do feel your pain" bullshit display on the airwaves. Wait for a selection of idiots in the news media to sob and forgive. Rinse and repeat-- the tried and true formula to kill a minority candidate, yours courtesy of Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton.



There would never again be any prospect of Black and minority candidates in general aspiring for high office-- one of my homies up in Oakland was saying that prospective Black candidates are already starting to reconsider and refuse to run even for municipal posts, knowing the racist and fraudulent shit that would be directed against them and their families only to be "forgiven" later when their opponent does some lame-ass crybaby or apology act. Never again opportunities to fight for our people. Never again the power or the position to advocate for social justice, let alone to fight obvious acts of discrimination. (BTW just how do many of these idiot pundits get paid so much $$$ for spouting inaccurate shit that any decent Blog commentator could refute? Like the claim after SC that Obama's win was "just among African-Americans" when he won many White voting segments as well?)



It's getting difficult to even come up with any other corrupt, despicable, divisive move that the Clintons haven't already employed. The race-baiting, the distorting and outright fraudulent direct-mail campaign in New Hampshire along with deliberate disruption against Obama voters at polling places, suing to shut down pro-Obama Nevada caucuses and then giving false directions while closing many of them early when they had "too many Obama people," suing to prevent Iowa college students from voting, recently making sure that thousands of ballots in New Mexico just happened to spend the night in the home of a Clinton supporter in the state, then the ultimate insult of tossing out over 750,000 pro-Obama ballots in California due to some bullshit technicality. Hey, kids, can we spell MASSIVE VOTE FRAUD?



A few of my homies (including a blue-eyed homie) around LA in the Compton and Vernon neighborhoods were saying people are so angry about the Great California Vote Fraud of 2008 that they're getting close to boiling over, unless the election commissioner in the state demands a full re-count and an acknowledgment of the canceled ballots. In addition, there are reports of Clinton staffers trying to tamper with a polling site down in Louisiana and even worse, of scattered precincts in Louisiana "just happening to be running short of ballots."



Oh, and these precincts with ballot shortages? They also just happen to be in places that are overwhelmingly African-American. The Clintons are desperate to help minimize a blowout in the state and pick up a few delegates so that, in combination with their bought, bribed and sold "superdelegates" they could go into the Chesapeake primaries not too far behind in the total delegate tallies. What better way than to ensure that some precincts just happen to have a paucity of available ballots?



The Louisiana people are already so angry at the way they've been treated since 2005, they will riot down there if they're disenfranchised even in the slightest. It will be the first step in a protracted, ugly, violent and extremely painful destruction of the country. You just do not go pulling any crap down in that state after the way those people were hung out to dry following Katrina (after which Obama was the only Senator to make repeated trips down to the state to advocate for help). You do not go kicking an already downtrodden and hurting people while they're down and still fighting to get up again, because they will rise up in a fiery rage and tear you to shreds.



Like I said, nothing less than the complete and utter destruction of the Clintons and their permanent ostracism from public life would suffice. The Hounds of Hell will now be upon them everywhere they go and with every word they speak.

The more he talks, the worse he makes the situation.

Aw shucks, I made a mistake.


Does not sound like an apology to me even though Bill wanted it to. He just comes off as smarmy on the video, trying to affect humanity in his demeanor when you know it's all just an act so that people will empathize with him. "I feel your pain." Remember that? It's the Billary spin machine.

What a liar! I also noticed that the Clintons, like George Bush, can never take responsibility for their actions. The fact is that he was trying to racebait and the public did not fall for it.


He needs to just go away.

I'm so tired of his @ss! F%%% him!

So beyond done with him. STFU Bill.