Jack & Jill Politics

Well about the NOW statements, to my fellow black women out there...when has the feminist movement ever REALLY been about addressing the needs and concerns of minority women in this country?


Let's not talk about Planned Parenthood, which is a pretty stark example of the feminist movement ideology that it's really about white women's needs and advancement...not us "colored" women. *rolls eyes*



Sorry if this seems like propaganda , but no it's how I feel about this issue. I could go on and on about it but why...you all can research for yourself.

Wow Mark, I forgot about that ambassadorship. Thanks for the reminder.


Compared to the other CBC members who are plainly handkerchief heads, she has always struck me as being...SHARP. I'm not ready to categorize/characterize her as easily as I do the others.



I guess I'll need to see her talking smack about *O* on Hardball or some other show before my mind (and heart) will allow me to think that she could be an....Aunt Thomasina...I can't believe I just said that(really need to start a companion blog to J&J;). And if you had told me a year ago that I would be calling Andrew Young and John Lewis sell-outs in 2008, I would've called you a fool too.

Maxine has many admirable qualities as a black politician and a woman, but she is still from the old guard.


And do not forget that Bill Clinton had named her husband ambassador to the Bahamas. So this is about back- slapping and part of the scheme of things in political circles.



Never be surprised by how the game is played.



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I'm surprised Maxine Waters endorsed Hillary because of her strong anti Iraq occupation stance. How could she endorse someone that voted for the war that she is so opposed to? I don't get it. I'm not only surprised, I'm disappointed too. Why can't we all just stick together for once?

Or it may cause some to question her authenticity. Considering that most people consider the difference between Clinton and Obama to be one of style, not substance (as far as policy), it is difficult to comprehend the rationale of certain people. I think that Barack is the best chance that black people have ever had and to see these prominent black people expose themselves is incredibly disappointing. It becomes more and more clear that the old guard in black politics has got to go.

Yeah, I saw that Maxine Waters endorsement too and I am confounded...somewhat.


I REALLY LIKE Maxine Waters. I appreciate what she did during the LA Riots in 1992. She has always seemed to me to be ON IT. I don't know what to think of her endorsement...as long as she steers clear of attacking *O* unlike the handkerchief heads, I'll give her pass.



Her endorsement will not impact my decision, but i'm sure that it may sway her California-constituents.

That NOW statement sounds like the immature rantings of a child who just got beat in one-on-one by his baby brother or sister. It reeks of "I'm taking my ball and going home!" and that's a bad sign of desperation.


I know it's a press release, but lines like "This latest move by Kennedy, is so telling about the status of and respect for women’s rights..." itself is telling in the narrow-minded obsession the organization has on Hillary Clinton.



That's as though a local NAACP chapter had said Andrew Young supporting Hillary (just supporting Hillary, not any specific comment) was tantamount to begging the massa for scraps at the table. It's incredibly whiny and sad to see.

michelle, "I want to know from the females if you think the Kennedy endorsment was a betrayal to all women. The National Organization of Women in NY seems to think so."


Not to Maxine Waters; She's endorsing Hillary Clinton today.

Hi again.


I want to know from the females if you think the Kennedy endorsment was a betrayal to all women. The National Organization of Women in NY seems to think so.



http://www.nownys.org/pr_2008/pr_012808.html



I'm beside myself.

Since the hope is that Kennedy will be of some help in Latino communities, it thought this aspect of the Klinton Klan's racist strategy has gotten too little attention:




Clinton's Latino spin



The Clinton campaign's assertion that Latinos

historically haven't voted for black candidates is divisive -- and false.



January 28, 2008 Gregory Rodriguez - Los Angeles Times



If a Hillary Clinton campaign official told a reporter that white voters never support black candidates, would the media have swallowed the message whole? What if a campaign pollster began whispering that Jews don't have an "affinity" for African American politicians? Would the pundits have accepted the premise unquestioningly?

A few weeks ago, Sergio Bendixen, a Clinton pollster and Latino expert, publicly articulated what campaign officials appear to have been whispering for months. In an interview with Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker, Bendixen explained that "the Hispanic voter -- and I want to say this very carefully -- has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates." The spin worked. For the last several weeks, it's been on the airwaves (Tucker Carlson, "Hardball," NPR), generally tossed off as if it were conventional wisdom. And it has shown up in sources as far afield as Agence France-Presse and the London Daily Telegraph, which wrote about a "voting bloc traditionally reluctant to support black candidates."

The spin also helped shape the analysis of the Jan. 19 Nevada caucus, in which Clinton won the support of Latino voters by a margin of better than 2 to 1. Forget the possibility that Nevada's Latino voters may have actually preferred Clinton or, at the very least, had a fondness for her husband; pundits embraced the idea that Latino voters simply didn't like the fact that her opponent was black.

But was Bendixen's blanket statement true? Far from it, and the evidence is overwhelming enough to make you wonder why in the world the Clinton campaign would want to portray Latino voters as too unrelentingly racist to vote for Barack Obama.

University of Washington political scientist Matt Barreto has compiled a list of black big-city mayors who have received broad Latino support over the last several decades. In 1983, Harold Washington pulled 80% of the Latino vote in Chicago. David Dinkins won 73% in New York in 1989. And Denver's Wellington Webb garnered more than 70% in 1991, as did Ron Kirk in Dallas in 1995 and then again in 1997 and 1999.

He could have also added that longtime Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley won a healthy chunk of the Latino vote in 1973 and then the clear majority in his mayoral reelection campaigns of 1977, 1981, 1985 and 1989.

Here in L.A., all three black members of Congress represent heavily Latino districts and ultimately couldn't survive without significant Latino support. Five other black House members represent districts that are more than 25% Latino -- including New York's Charles Rangel and Texan Al Green -- and are also heavily dependent on Latino voters.

So, given all this evidence, why did this notion get repeated so nonchalantly? For one, despite the focus on demographic changes in America, journalists' ignorance of the aspirations of Latino America is pretty remarkable. They just don't know much about the biggest minority in the nation. And two, no Latino organizations function in the way that, say, the Anti- Defamation League does for Jewish Americans. In other words, you can pretty much say whatever you want about Latinos without suffering any political repercussions.

Unlike merely "exuberant" supporters, whose mushy grasp of facts Clinton has explained by saying they can sometimes be "uncontrollable," pollsters such as Bendixen most certainly work -- and speak -- at the whim and in the pay of the candidate.

So what would the Clinton campaign have to gain from spreading this misinformation? It helps undermine one of Obama's central selling points, that he can build bridges and unite Americans of all types, and it jibes with the Clinton strategy of pigeon-holing Obama as the "black candidate." (Witness Bill Clinton's statement last week that his wife might lose South Carolina because of Obama's growing black support.)

But the social costs of the Clintons' strategy might end up being higher than the country is willing to pay. According to Stanford Law professor Richard Thompson Ford, who just published "The Race Card: How Bluffing About Bias Makes Race Relations Worse," such political stunts can be "self-fulfilling prophecies."

"It could make black voters more hostile to Latinos," he said. "And Latinos who hear it might think that they somehow ought to be at odds with blacks. These kinds of statements generate interracial tensions."

At the Democratic presidential debate in Nevada, Tim Russert asked Clinton whether the New Yorker quote represented the view of her campaign. "No, he was making a historical statement," she said. "And, obviously, what we're trying to do is bring America together so that everybody feels like they're involved and they have a stake in the future."

Really?

Golden Star


So true! I was crying also. It was so emotional. Very powerful! It was historic!

Good speech.

This was some riveting TV, alright. I was astounded at how animated Caroline Kennedy was. She NEVER shows emotion. She always seems shy but it seems the urgency of the moment and spurred on by her kids, made her join the Obama train and she got on that stage to do her part. But her uncle surprised me. He. was. on. fire. I started crying when Ted Kennedy's voice cracked about Barack and the vote.
But I really lost it when Barack talked about his dad coming to the US w/ a grant from the Kennedy Foundation.



It was great symbolism, political theatre, and so grounded in the moment of what this country needs: authentic unity.

" love how he keeps stopping to hug obama"
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I know! It was very powerful! Very emotional!

i love how he keeps stopping to hug obama. awww.