<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: An Open Letter to South Carolina Voters</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:27:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Lolo</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-3062</link> <dc:creator>Lolo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=739#comment-3062</guid> <description>in reply to Seoul&#039;s comment ~&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m ethnically asian too and I was wondering myself if it was my imagination, the whole tilt of &quot;ooooh, he&#039;s so well spoken&quot; tone of C&amp;C.  I don&#039;t even know if the Clintons realise how subliminally embedded their racism is and I would would bet that if called out they would go straight to the &quot;how DARE you call ME racist&quot; rant that most supposed liberals of their generation have on tap at the mere questioning of language or attitude.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This what I&#039;m praying for ~ that this primary drills down on what is REALLY the diff between the Clintons and Obama.  Age. Entitlement. Fear.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The presidency is largely about symbolism, vision, and that is what I think Obama was pointing out in his referencing the Reagan campaign.  Reagan, like him or hate him, spoke a new voice in politics for his moment and people voted on THAT, a change in focus.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s what I want, a president that shifts the focus a bit more than what the Clintons have to offer us.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s not about race, for me, but about generational shift and ditching of useless baggage.  The prospect of the Clintons bringing dysfunction junction back to the White House fills me with dread because while it obviously works for THEM we all know how it&#039;s likely to go for our country if Bill gets caught with his pants down, again.  We all know how it will go for our country if any one of their many bagholders gets caught doing dirty, again.  They owe too many favours and hold too many grudges and as a nation we just do not need the headache.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Phew.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in reply to Seoul&#8217;s comment ~</p><p>I&#8217;m ethnically asian too and I was wondering myself if it was my imagination, the whole tilt of &#8220;ooooh, he&#8217;s so well spoken&#8221; tone of C&#038;C.  I don&#8217;t even know if the Clintons realise how subliminally embedded their racism is and I would would bet that if called out they would go straight to the &#8220;how DARE you call ME racist&#8221; rant that most supposed liberals of their generation have on tap at the mere questioning of language or attitude.</p><p>This what I&#8217;m praying for ~ that this primary drills down on what is REALLY the diff between the Clintons and Obama.  Age. Entitlement. Fear.</p><p>The presidency is largely about symbolism, vision, and that is what I think Obama was pointing out in his referencing the Reagan campaign.  Reagan, like him or hate him, spoke a new voice in politics for his moment and people voted on THAT, a change in focus.</p><p>That&#8217;s what I want, a president that shifts the focus a bit more than what the Clintons have to offer us.</p><p>It&#8217;s not about race, for me, but about generational shift and ditching of useless baggage.  The prospect of the Clintons bringing dysfunction junction back to the White House fills me with dread because while it obviously works for THEM we all know how it&#8217;s likely to go for our country if Bill gets caught with his pants down, again.  We all know how it will go for our country if any one of their many bagholders gets caught doing dirty, again.  They owe too many favours and hold too many grudges and as a nation we just do not need the headache.</p><p>Phew.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-3049</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:29:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=739#comment-3049</guid> <description>Really, why do any black people go to any of these events. If you want Mr. Clinton&#039;s autograph, buy a book and be one of the first to a book signing. If the Clinton&#039;s had done more to promote justice, they probably wouldn&#039;t even be in this predicament. They probably know that what they&#039;ve done was woefully inadequate, and what is happening now  represents what was left on the table. Imagine what could have been accomplished in their eight y ears in the areas of education, economics, etc., if they had really been committed to justice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, why do any black people go to any of these events. If you want Mr. Clinton&#8217;s autograph, buy a book and be one of the first to a book signing. If the Clinton&#8217;s had done more to promote justice, they probably wouldn&#8217;t even be in this predicament. They probably know that what they&#8217;ve done was woefully inadequate, and what is happening now  represents what was left on the table. Imagine what could have been accomplished in their eight y ears in the areas of education, economics, etc., if they had really been committed to justice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JenJen</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-3042</link> <dc:creator>JenJen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=739#comment-3042</guid> <description>Video of Bill Clinton napping at Convent Avenue Baptist yesterday:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ypuur&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s NY Post but, it is interesting the way that each time he catches himself nodding up, he looks at the speaker and nods his head approvingly.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video of Bill Clinton napping at Convent Avenue Baptist yesterday:</p><p><a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ypuur" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ypuur</a></p><p>It&#8217;s NY Post but, it is interesting the way that each time he catches himself nodding up, he looks at the speaker and nods his head approvingly.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: NMP</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-3037</link> <dc:creator>NMP</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=739#comment-3037</guid> <description>The image of Bill Clinton going door-to-door in the Black communities of South Carolina provokes images of the slave master going to the slave quarters.  This shit makes me sick!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The image of Bill Clinton going door-to-door in the Black communities of South Carolina provokes images of the slave master going to the slave quarters.  This shit makes me sick!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Seoul</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-3036</link> <dc:creator>Seoul</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=739#comment-3036</guid> <description>I was thrilled by Obama&#039;s wonderfully intelligent speech at Ebenezer Baptist Church yesterday.  But much of the mainstream reaction and blog posts have left me cold.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hate seeing Obama&#039;s high-powered intelligence and far-seeing insights ignored by reporters and established commentators.  They swoon over his &quot;oratory&quot; and &quot;eloquence&quot; but ignore the substantial clarity of thinking that&#039;s reflected in his words.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry, but I&#039;m going to have to raise the race card again.  I&#039;m ethnically Asian.  One of the benefits of being Asian in America is that there&#039;s a presumption of my technical savvy.  I say something intelligent, people reply:  &quot;that&#039;s a sharp observation.  smart guy.&quot;  I feel like with Barack, as a black person, whenever he says something intelligent, people react with: &quot;so eloquent.  he has such a way with words.&quot;  They don&#039;t give him credit for being smarter than them.  It&#039;s that AND MORE!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We have a multicultural, tolerant society where the cream rises to the top.  Someone like Obama with his unique skills and character has presented himself and people are not recognizing the opportunity.  YET.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thrilled by Obama&#8217;s wonderfully intelligent speech at Ebenezer Baptist Church yesterday.  But much of the mainstream reaction and blog posts have left me cold.</p><p>I hate seeing Obama&#8217;s high-powered intelligence and far-seeing insights ignored by reporters and established commentators.  They swoon over his &#8220;oratory&#8221; and &#8220;eloquence&#8221; but ignore the substantial clarity of thinking that&#8217;s reflected in his words.</p><p>Sorry, but I&#8217;m going to have to raise the race card again.  I&#8217;m ethnically Asian.  One of the benefits of being Asian in America is that there&#8217;s a presumption of my technical savvy.  I say something intelligent, people reply:  &#8220;that&#8217;s a sharp observation.  smart guy.&#8221;  I feel like with Barack, as a black person, whenever he says something intelligent, people react with: &#8220;so eloquent.  he has such a way with words.&#8221;  They don&#8217;t give him credit for being smarter than them.  It&#8217;s that AND MORE!</p><p>We have a multicultural, tolerant society where the cream rises to the top.  Someone like Obama with his unique skills and character has presented himself and people are not recognizing the opportunity.  YET.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nita</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-3032</link> <dc:creator>Nita</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=739#comment-3032</guid> <description>Cosey&#039;s ending makes me smile, because getting Bill with Hillary was originally supposed to be the closer to a great sale.  &quot;We&#039;re getting Bill again! yeaaaah!  Back to the 90s!!!  ooooweeeee!!!&quot;  How things change, post-Iowa and post-New Hampshire.  It&#039;s a well-written letter. I&#039;ll be passing it along.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, thank you Jack Turner for posting the Meet The Press sections.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@natthedem, I read that -- over at FreeRepublic! I laughed my butt off. Then they included a picture of her.  No one commented, for which I&#039;m strangely disappointed/pleased.  I don&#039;t like that Mayor Franklin&#039;s comment was called an attack, though; just like I don&#039;t like that Obama merely saying that Bill&#039;s lies need to be address is characterized as an attack.  Black folk are violent scary people, apparently, even in good-natured jibbing or self-defense.  Oh well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@ Callie, thank you for posting that.  I remember, though, out here in Albuquerque for the 2004 election I specifically asked for a paper ballot -- and the precinct people told me they didn&#039;t have any, and seemed puzzled that I would ask in the first place.  I guess that&#039;s something to check up on beforehand.  Because of what happened to me, I wouldn&#039;t assume that paper ballots are available for the asking on Election Day.  But maybe my experience was singular. In 2006 there was a new machine and you voted on paper fill in the dot style then fed the paper to a machine.  So that made me feel marginally better.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the black vote being disregarded, it already is.  South Carolina is supposed to be Obama&#039;s to win because of the assumption that blacks will automatically give their vote to Obama just because he&#039;s black.  A couple posters over at DU already called out Bill Clinton for making some weird comments about respecting black voters not voting for his wife.  Mark it down:  If Obama loses South Carolina it&#039;s because blacks are &#039;savvy&#039; and know all the issues.  If Obama wins South Carolina, those blacks are &#039;ignorant&#039; and engaging in Identity Politics.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Clintons are doing nothing to disabuse anyone of that notion.  Obama never tried to get people to think that way in the first place.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, in my opinion, our votes are already taken for granted.  We are not respected. I don&#039;t know how we can be.  Still, I hope that the vote is a lot more prestine than what has gone down in New Hampshire and Nevada (and Iowa, since some folks were alleging bad tactics and bullying from day one).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hope lots of pictures come out, if possible.  I hope there is no tampering with the numbers.  I hope that no one gets the bright idea to significantly tamper the numbers for Obama in order to make an opponent look good  afterwards (it could happen; given what&#039;s already been witnessed, put nothing past these people).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Have fun in South Carolina, whoever is going down to be there :) Wish I was with you all.  I think we&#039;ll all be there with you in spirit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cosey&#8217;s ending makes me smile, because getting Bill with Hillary was originally supposed to be the closer to a great sale.  &#8220;We&#8217;re getting Bill again! yeaaaah!  Back to the 90s!!!  ooooweeeee!!!&#8221;  How things change, post-Iowa and post-New Hampshire.  It&#8217;s a well-written letter. I&#8217;ll be passing it along.</p><p>Also, thank you Jack Turner for posting the Meet The Press sections.</p><p>@natthedem, I read that &#8212; over at FreeRepublic! I laughed my butt off. Then they included a picture of her.  No one commented, for which I&#8217;m strangely disappointed/pleased.  I don&#8217;t like that Mayor Franklin&#8217;s comment was called an attack, though; just like I don&#8217;t like that Obama merely saying that Bill&#8217;s lies need to be address is characterized as an attack.  Black folk are violent scary people, apparently, even in good-natured jibbing or self-defense.  Oh well.</p><p>@ Callie, thank you for posting that.  I remember, though, out here in Albuquerque for the 2004 election I specifically asked for a paper ballot &#8212; and the precinct people told me they didn&#8217;t have any, and seemed puzzled that I would ask in the first place.  I guess that&#8217;s something to check up on beforehand.  Because of what happened to me, I wouldn&#8217;t assume that paper ballots are available for the asking on Election Day.  But maybe my experience was singular. In 2006 there was a new machine and you voted on paper fill in the dot style then fed the paper to a machine.  So that made me feel marginally better.</p><p>As for the black vote being disregarded, it already is.  South Carolina is supposed to be Obama&#8217;s to win because of the assumption that blacks will automatically give their vote to Obama just because he&#8217;s black.  A couple posters over at DU already called out Bill Clinton for making some weird comments about respecting black voters not voting for his wife.  Mark it down:  If Obama loses South Carolina it&#8217;s because blacks are &#8216;savvy&#8217; and know all the issues.  If Obama wins South Carolina, those blacks are &#8216;ignorant&#8217; and engaging in Identity Politics.</p><p>The Clintons are doing nothing to disabuse anyone of that notion.  Obama never tried to get people to think that way in the first place.</p><p>So, in my opinion, our votes are already taken for granted.  We are not respected. I don&#8217;t know how we can be.  Still, I hope that the vote is a lot more prestine than what has gone down in New Hampshire and Nevada (and Iowa, since some folks were alleging bad tactics and bullying from day one).</p><p>I hope lots of pictures come out, if possible.  I hope there is no tampering with the numbers.  I hope that no one gets the bright idea to significantly tamper the numbers for Obama in order to make an opponent look good  afterwards (it could happen; given what&#8217;s already been witnessed, put nothing past these people).</p><p>Have fun in South Carolina, whoever is going down to be there :) Wish I was with you all.  I think we&#8217;ll all be there with you in spirit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Callie</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-3027</link> <dc:creator>Callie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=739#comment-3027</guid> <description>Yeah, I like the &quot;Youtube sting&quot; idea that people have been talking about-- holding concealed videocameras in homes or any institution that the Clintons or their staffers visit (the &quot;cell phone conversation&quot; while activating the camcorder is awesome), getting them rattled with questions about electoral fraud and race-baiting, and then busting them on video, posting the videos on Youtube.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Speaking of electoral fraud, there have been a lot of rumblings about the Clintons attempting to hack the voting machines in South Carolina.  I didn&#039;t know what this was about, but apparently SC uses only those dumbass touch-screen machines that some high school junior could hack in under 5 minutes, without a paper trail: &lt;br/&gt;http://tinyurl.com/2yd9tt&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is why it&#039;s more important than ever, if you&#039;re in South Carolina, to demand paper ballots that are hand-counted by many hands, and then also to vote, vote, vote in numbers we&#039;ve never voted in before.  It&#039;s only those exit polls and your voting receipt that will guard against election fraud.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My friend in Columbia said that the issue has gotten serious there already, and the authorities are starting to respond.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If our votes are tossed out or disregarded in SC or anywhere else, or we&#039;re otherwise disenfranchised, it&#039;ll just show that the Ku Klux Klan/lynch mob mentality of this country against minorities is more powerful than ever before, just more centralized and corporatized.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And if there is such voting fraud to disenfranchise us, in SC or anywhere else, like my friend warmed-- this whole country is gonna be in flames, in SC and from coast to coast.  When people are denied their most fundamental right in a democracy, the right to vote and be heard fairly, then &quot;other recourses&quot; become prominent.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I like the &#8220;Youtube sting&#8221; idea that people have been talking about&#8211; holding concealed videocameras in homes or any institution that the Clintons or their staffers visit (the &#8220;cell phone conversation&#8221; while activating the camcorder is awesome), getting them rattled with questions about electoral fraud and race-baiting, and then busting them on video, posting the videos on Youtube.</p><p>Speaking of electoral fraud, there have been a lot of rumblings about the Clintons attempting to hack the voting machines in South Carolina.  I didn&#8217;t know what this was about, but apparently SC uses only those dumbass touch-screen machines that some high school junior could hack in under 5 minutes, without a paper trail: <br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2yd9tt" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2yd9tt</a></p><p>This is why it&#8217;s more important than ever, if you&#8217;re in South Carolina, to demand paper ballots that are hand-counted by many hands, and then also to vote, vote, vote in numbers we&#8217;ve never voted in before.  It&#8217;s only those exit polls and your voting receipt that will guard against election fraud.</p><p>My friend in Columbia said that the issue has gotten serious there already, and the authorities are starting to respond.</p><p>If our votes are tossed out or disregarded in SC or anywhere else, or we&#8217;re otherwise disenfranchised, it&#8217;ll just show that the Ku Klux Klan/lynch mob mentality of this country against minorities is more powerful than ever before, just more centralized and corporatized.</p><p>And if there is such voting fraud to disenfranchise us, in SC or anywhere else, like my friend warmed&#8211; this whole country is gonna be in flames, in SC and from coast to coast.  When people are denied their most fundamental right in a democracy, the right to vote and be heard fairly, then &#8220;other recourses&#8221; become prominent.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: natthedem</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/01/an-open-letter-to-south-carolina-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-3024</link> <dc:creator>natthedem</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://s45368.gridserver.com/?p=739#comment-3024</guid> <description>First, if anyone in South Carolina needs pointers about how to handle Bill Clinton, should he show up at your door, feel free to take a page from Atlanta mayor, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/01/21/kingpolitics_0122.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shirley Franklin&lt;/a&gt;. Today, from the pulpit at Ebenezer Baptist Church, she stood up in front of Bill Clinton, and said &quot;Yes this is reality, not fantasy or fairy tales.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jack, I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;ve checked Youtube yet, but I know the Obama camp pulled part of that MTP discussion and put it up on their channel.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, if anyone in South Carolina needs pointers about how to handle Bill Clinton, should he show up at your door, feel free to take a page from Atlanta mayor, <a HREF="http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/01/21/kingpolitics_0122.html" REL="nofollow">Shirley Franklin</a>. Today, from the pulpit at Ebenezer Baptist Church, she stood up in front of Bill Clinton, and said &#8220;Yes this is reality, not fantasy or fairy tales.&#8221;</p><p>Jack, I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;ve checked Youtube yet, but I know the Obama camp pulled part of that MTP discussion and put it up on their channel.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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