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	<title>Comments on: Bill Clinton on Charlie Rose about Obama &#8211; &#8216; Who does he think he is?&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: andrewwang</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrewwang</dc:creator>
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		<description>Speaking of Bill Clinton:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is opined that Bill Clinton committed racist hate crimes, and I am not free to say anything further about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Respectfully Submitted by Andrew Y. Wang, J.D. Candidate&lt;br&gt;B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996&lt;br&gt;Messiah College, Grantham, PA&lt;br&gt;Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(I can type 90 words per minute, and there are probably thousands of copies on the Internet indicating the content of this post.)&lt;br&gt;_________________&lt;br&gt;“If only it were possible to ban invention that bottled up memories so they never got stale and faded.” Off the top of my head—it came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Bill Clinton:</p>
<p>It is opined that Bill Clinton committed racist hate crimes, and I am not free to say anything further about it.</p>
<p>Respectfully Submitted by Andrew Y. Wang, J.D. Candidate<br />B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996<br />Messiah College, Grantham, PA<br />Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993</p>
<p>(I can type 90 words per minute, and there are probably thousands of copies on the Internet indicating the content of this post.)<br />_________________<br />“If only it were possible to ban invention that bottled up memories so they never got stale and faded.” Off the top of my head—it came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.</p>
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		<title>By: faboo</title>
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		<dc:creator>faboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@d...maybe you don&#039;t know your history, but the Republicans of Lincoln&#039;s time would be the Democrats of today.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s offensive that the GOP tried to pull that &quot;party of Lincoln&quot; BS.  Anyone, any black person with an iota of historical knowledge, knows the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@d&#8230;maybe you don&#8217;t know your history, but the Republicans of Lincoln&#8217;s time would be the Democrats of today.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s offensive that the GOP tried to pull that &#8220;party of Lincoln&#8221; BS.  Anyone, any black person with an iota of historical knowledge, knows the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: rfk</title>
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		<dc:creator>rfk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree.  I found this interview completely arrogant, dismissive, and shameful.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Besides, who the hell wants Hillary&#039;s brand of experience anyhow?  The Andrew Sullivan quote is the perfect distillation of her character: &quot;She&#039;s Dick Cheney in a pant suit&quot;.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And if Hillary really wants more experience in the white house, then she should bow out and endorse Dodd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree.  I found this interview completely arrogant, dismissive, and shameful.</p>
<p>Besides, who the hell wants Hillary&#8217;s brand of experience anyhow?  The Andrew Sullivan quote is the perfect distillation of her character: &#8220;She&#8217;s Dick Cheney in a pant suit&#8221;.  </p>
<p>And if Hillary really wants more experience in the white house, then she should bow out and endorse Dodd.</p>
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		<title>By: webber</title>
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		<dc:creator>webber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite part of the interview is when Charlie Rose tells Bubba, &quot;Experience screwed it up.  SCREWED IT UP,&quot; referencing the Iraq War.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve watched Charlie Rose for a long time and I&#039;ve never heard him inflect his voice like that...Even Charlie could see through Bubba&#039;s BullSh#t.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then Bubba compares Obama to a plumber/chef while Hillary is a surgeon...the inherent racism...Bubba&#039;s dismissal of Obama&#039;s work prior to the US Senate...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The greatest irony is that I can now relate to the republican hatred of the 90s...dayum-near unimaginable...it&#039;s a visceral anger...just seeing Bubba/Billary on TV. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;May we please change the channel?  May we please turn the page, close this chapter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite part of the interview is when Charlie Rose tells Bubba, &#8220;Experience screwed it up.  SCREWED IT UP,&#8221; referencing the Iraq War.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched Charlie Rose for a long time and I&#8217;ve never heard him inflect his voice like that&#8230;Even Charlie could see through Bubba&#8217;s BullSh#t.</p>
<p>Then Bubba compares Obama to a plumber/chef while Hillary is a surgeon&#8230;the inherent racism&#8230;Bubba&#8217;s dismissal of Obama&#8217;s work prior to the US Senate&#8230;</p>
<p>The greatest irony is that I can now relate to the republican hatred of the 90s&#8230;dayum-near unimaginable&#8230;it&#8217;s a visceral anger&#8230;just seeing Bubba/Billary on TV. </p>
<p>May we please change the channel?  May we please turn the page, close this chapter?</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the subtle racism was in the form of Bill&#039;s repeated statements that Obama is a mere &quot;symbol&quot; of change, and not the real thing, like, supposedly, Hillary.  He was suggesting that Obama is a token, and not someone who&#039;s had real accomplishments.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Hillary people remind me more and more of that line that Ann Richards used against Bush&#039;s father:  &quot;He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.&quot;  Hillary started her career as a candidate for the US Senate because she began with the advantage of inheriting her husband&#039;s enormous political machine and cadres of people who felt that if they did not support her, they would wind up on the wrong side of the President and his large power network.  Yet she acts as if she&#039;s been toiling in the political vineyards.  &lt;br/&gt;The nerve of the Clintons to suggest that it&#039;s Obama who has not paid his dues.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, and Bill of course told a classic little Clintonian lie, when he said that Obama began running &quot;one year&quot; after being sworn it.  Some of us wish he started that early, but of course it was two years.  In and of itself not a big deal, but emblematic of the fact that the Clintons are so hungry to hold on to power that they feel the need to embellish and lie even these little details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the subtle racism was in the form of Bill&#8217;s repeated statements that Obama is a mere &#8220;symbol&#8221; of change, and not the real thing, like, supposedly, Hillary.  He was suggesting that Obama is a token, and not someone who&#8217;s had real accomplishments.  </p>
<p>The Hillary people remind me more and more of that line that Ann Richards used against Bush&#8217;s father:  &#8220;He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.&#8221;  Hillary started her career as a candidate for the US Senate because she began with the advantage of inheriting her husband&#8217;s enormous political machine and cadres of people who felt that if they did not support her, they would wind up on the wrong side of the President and his large power network.  Yet she acts as if she&#8217;s been toiling in the political vineyards.  <br />The nerve of the Clintons to suggest that it&#8217;s Obama who has not paid his dues.</p>
<p>Oh, and Bill of course told a classic little Clintonian lie, when he said that Obama began running &#8220;one year&#8221; after being sworn it.  Some of us wish he started that early, but of course it was two years.  In and of itself not a big deal, but emblematic of the fact that the Clintons are so hungry to hold on to power that they feel the need to embellish and lie even these little details.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Former Sen. Bob Kerry , who just endorsed Billary, said on CNN about 45 minutes ago that Obama went to a madrassa. Of course, he was saying it in a complimentary way.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These people are disgusting. I don&#039;t know who these dumb negroes are that refuse to vote for Barack, but they need their black cards taken away and quickly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former Sen. Bob Kerry , who just endorsed Billary, said on CNN about 45 minutes ago that Obama went to a madrassa. Of course, he was saying it in a complimentary way.</p>
<p>These people are disgusting. I don&#8217;t know who these dumb negroes are that refuse to vote for Barack, but they need their black cards taken away and quickly!</p>
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		<title>By: Phoebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody up there posted a list of Obama&#039;s Senate accomplishments, but don&#039;t forget what he did in Illinois, especially that death penalty reform that made murder confessions have to be videotaped in order to be admissible in court - confessions AND interrogations. Obama is credited by everyone involved with getting this passed, because he negotiated long and hard with prosecutors and cops - and got them to endorse it. Speaking as a former criminal defense attorney, that is huge, to get these people to agree. That is a solid example of &quot;bridging the divide&quot; - it&#039;s not just blather. It gets important things done, and improves the working atmosphere. It&#039;s a rare and crucial skill and neither Clinton has it. They just compromise [give away the store] and spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody up there posted a list of Obama&#8217;s Senate accomplishments, but don&#8217;t forget what he did in Illinois, especially that death penalty reform that made murder confessions have to be videotaped in order to be admissible in court &#8211; confessions AND interrogations. Obama is credited by everyone involved with getting this passed, because he negotiated long and hard with prosecutors and cops &#8211; and got them to endorse it. Speaking as a former criminal defense attorney, that is huge, to get these people to agree. That is a solid example of &#8220;bridging the divide&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s not just blather. It gets important things done, and improves the working atmosphere. It&#8217;s a rare and crucial skill and neither Clinton has it. They just compromise [give away the store] and spin.</p>
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		<title>By: sagereader</title>
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		<dc:creator>sagereader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who are wondering what everybody is talking about regarding the racial undertones because you&#039;re unfamiliar with the codes, I would recommend the book, &quot;The Race Card&quot; by Tali Mendelberg, a prominent Princeton political scientist.  Mendelberg&#039;s research demonstrates how race can be made salient in an election without anyone having to mention race at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7090.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who are wondering what everybody is talking about regarding the racial undertones because you&#8217;re unfamiliar with the codes, I would recommend the book, &#8220;The Race Card&#8221; by Tali Mendelberg, a prominent Princeton political scientist.  Mendelberg&#8217;s research demonstrates how race can be made salient in an election without anyone having to mention race at all.</p>
<p><a href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7090.html" rel="nofollow">http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7090.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lincoln was a Republican. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Suprised this forum would want to compare Obama to the &quot;party of racial politicking&quot; in ANY way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln was a Republican. </p>
<p>Suprised this forum would want to compare Obama to the &#8220;party of racial politicking&#8221; in ANY way.</p>
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		<title>By: NMP</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anonymous said... &lt;br/&gt;To answer Bill Clinton&#039;s question, can someone whose prior experience consisted of eight years in the Illinois state legislature and two years in Congress make a good president?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It turns out this has happened before. The president&#039;s name: Abraham Lincoln&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sun Dec 16, 04:32:00 PM 2007&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the Obama Comm&#039;s Team were smart (and that&#039;s an open debate), your suggeston would be a commercial...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Have a blank screen flashing all of the comments of his critics about how someone with his limited experience is ready for the presidency...then the question &quot;Are they right?&quot;  then a pregnant pause with a slow fade-in of Abraham Lincoln with Obama saying something like &quot;History says otherwise.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anonymous said&#8230; <br />To answer Bill Clinton&#8217;s question, can someone whose prior experience consisted of eight years in the Illinois state legislature and two years in Congress make a good president?</p>
<p>It turns out this has happened before. The president&#8217;s name: Abraham Lincoln</p>
<p>Sun Dec 16, 04:32:00 PM 2007&#8243;</p>
<p>If the Obama Comm&#8217;s Team were smart (and that&#8217;s an open debate), your suggeston would be a commercial&#8230;</p>
<p>Have a blank screen flashing all of the comments of his critics about how someone with his limited experience is ready for the presidency&#8230;then the question &#8220;Are they right?&#8221;  then a pregnant pause with a slow fade-in of Abraham Lincoln with Obama saying something like &#8220;History says otherwise.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NMP</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like John Edwards, but the same damn thing goes for him too!  He&#039;s joined in on tag teaming Senator Obama over his &quot;qualifications&quot; for office.  Over the weekend, Joe Trippi cited an internal Edwards&#039; poll that says 3/4 of Americans don&#039;t think Obama is qualified.  Why the hell has John Edwards been given a free pass on experience?  He&#039;s been running for President almost as long as his ENTIRE elected office career.  He served ONE--I REPEAT ONE--term in the Senate.  That is his entire political vitae.  Yet, he&#039;s perceived as being more experienced than Obama. Why? Yes, I concede that his ubiquitous presence on the campaign trail lends to the appearance that he has been serving in public office several years.  However, you can not convince me that him being a White male does play a factor.  The experience question is very rarely, if ever, raised with White candidates no matter how short their resumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like John Edwards, but the same damn thing goes for him too!  He&#8217;s joined in on tag teaming Senator Obama over his &#8220;qualifications&#8221; for office.  Over the weekend, Joe Trippi cited an internal Edwards&#8217; poll that says 3/4 of Americans don&#8217;t think Obama is qualified.  Why the hell has John Edwards been given a free pass on experience?  He&#8217;s been running for President almost as long as his ENTIRE elected office career.  He served ONE&#8211;I REPEAT ONE&#8211;term in the Senate.  That is his entire political vitae.  Yet, he&#8217;s perceived as being more experienced than Obama. Why? Yes, I concede that his ubiquitous presence on the campaign trail lends to the appearance that he has been serving in public office several years.  However, you can not convince me that him being a White male does play a factor.  The experience question is very rarely, if ever, raised with White candidates no matter how short their resumes.</p>
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		<title>By: ronnie b.</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronnie b.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Huh? I don&#039;t see the &quot;boy&quot; accusations and connotations others are seeing here... Please help! Explain!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most people have been conned can spot a con.  And it&#039;s not surprising that those who&#039;ve never been conned, can&#039;t spot one.  The con won&#039;t announce himself as such, and the con-job won&#039;t always be readily apparent.  But if you acknowledge that cons and con-jobs exist in a myriad of ways, and if you&#039;re willing to be astute and cognizant of it, you might just spot a well-disguised con here and there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s kinda how racism in 2007 works.  The racist won&#039;t announce him or herself, and their racism won&#039;t always be readily apparent.  But if you&#039;re astute, cognizant and know that it exists in a myriad of ways, you&#039;ll be able to spot it from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Huh? I don&#8217;t see the &#8220;boy&#8221; accusations and connotations others are seeing here&#8230; Please help! Explain!</i></p>
<p>Most people have been conned can spot a con.  And it&#8217;s not surprising that those who&#8217;ve never been conned, can&#8217;t spot one.  The con won&#8217;t announce himself as such, and the con-job won&#8217;t always be readily apparent.  But if you acknowledge that cons and con-jobs exist in a myriad of ways, and if you&#8217;re willing to be astute and cognizant of it, you might just spot a well-disguised con here and there.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s kinda how racism in 2007 works.  The racist won&#8217;t announce him or herself, and their racism won&#8217;t always be readily apparent.  But if you&#8217;re astute, cognizant and know that it exists in a myriad of ways, you&#8217;ll be able to spot it from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?  I don&#039;t see the &quot;boy&quot; accusations and connotations others are seeing here... Please help! Explain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?  I don&#8217;t see the &#8220;boy&#8221; accusations and connotations others are seeing here&#8230; Please help! Explain!</p>
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		<title>By: The Bag of Health and Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bag of Health and Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I find interesting is that this kind of racist code BS, which was previously pretty effective, isn&#039;t working. People across the racial and ethnic spectrum  are noticing it. The media picked up on the drug dealer remark. Obviously problems of racism haven&#039;t been solved, but it strikes me as progress. Among my family, mostly middle class white Democrats, the issue has come up. People are disgusted with Hillary and have written her off. Many are pondering voting for Nader if she gets the nomination. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the post immediately above, I whole heartedly agree. Obama knows how to stand up to this BS without being angry. Hillary&#039;s laugh and his response to that was an example of that. The laugh itself was condescending and reflective of a larger theme (&quot;ha ha ha, this guy thinks he can be President. He&#039;s black he should be happy being a Senator,&quot;) that&#039;s coming out of the Clinton campaign. I&#039;m sure Obama felt some, understandable, anger at that moment. It&#039;s an anger than blacks must feel every day. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A politician that was less ready for prime time would&#039;ve interrupted Hillary and berated her for not letting him answer the question. Obama let the sad spectacle continue, and then calmly destroyed Hillary with wit. It was an incredible moment. And should Obama go on to be President of the United States, that will be the moment that people look back on as pivotal in his campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I find interesting is that this kind of racist code BS, which was previously pretty effective, isn&#8217;t working. People across the racial and ethnic spectrum  are noticing it. The media picked up on the drug dealer remark. Obviously problems of racism haven&#8217;t been solved, but it strikes me as progress. Among my family, mostly middle class white Democrats, the issue has come up. People are disgusted with Hillary and have written her off. Many are pondering voting for Nader if she gets the nomination. </p>
<p>As for the post immediately above, I whole heartedly agree. Obama knows how to stand up to this BS without being angry. Hillary&#8217;s laugh and his response to that was an example of that. The laugh itself was condescending and reflective of a larger theme (&#8221;ha ha ha, this guy thinks he can be President. He&#8217;s black he should be happy being a Senator,&#8221;) that&#8217;s coming out of the Clinton campaign. I&#8217;m sure Obama felt some, understandable, anger at that moment. It&#8217;s an anger than blacks must feel every day. </p>
<p>A politician that was less ready for prime time would&#8217;ve interrupted Hillary and berated her for not letting him answer the question. Obama let the sad spectacle continue, and then calmly destroyed Hillary with wit. It was an incredible moment. And should Obama go on to be President of the United States, that will be the moment that people look back on as pivotal in his campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: sagereader</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why being first black President of the Harvard Law Review matters...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We often note that particular detail about Obama&#039;s biography to show that he&#039;s smart and well-qualified.  However, it&#039;s more than that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These forms of &quot;elite discrimination&quot; that are being thrown at Obama the past few weeks are not anything he hasn&#039;t seen before.  This is not the first time he has encountered people using a paternalism mentality to try to keep him from getting ahead or dealing with people who reduce all his qualifications and merits down to &quot;he&#039;s only winning because he&#039;s black&quot; or people who try to stoke on people&#039;s fears because he&#039;s black.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He could not have gone to Columbia and Harvard and been as successful as he has been in those environments without being exposed to this and still learning how to come out on top.  It&#039;s something many African Americans encounter everyday, especially these &quot;elite forms of discrimination&quot; we&#039;re seeing from the Clintons that black middle-class people who work in the halls of power and privilege encounter and learn to navigate.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The good thing about Obama is that he brilliant enough to know how to navigate it, come out on top, but most importantly still not lose soul.  Hallelujah!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So as far as I&#039;m concerned, he is handling all of this perfectly.  He knows how to pick and choose his battles.  He doesn&#039;t need to hold a press conference on the racial undertones (something the old school black leadership might have done) because I think black people can put two and two together.  Bloggers and black radio and other people can do that heavy lifting for him.  He just needs to keep talking about the issues, organizing, and keeping his eyes on the prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why being first black President of the Harvard Law Review matters&#8230;</p>
<p>We often note that particular detail about Obama&#8217;s biography to show that he&#8217;s smart and well-qualified.  However, it&#8217;s more than that.</p>
<p>These forms of &#8220;elite discrimination&#8221; that are being thrown at Obama the past few weeks are not anything he hasn&#8217;t seen before.  This is not the first time he has encountered people using a paternalism mentality to try to keep him from getting ahead or dealing with people who reduce all his qualifications and merits down to &#8220;he&#8217;s only winning because he&#8217;s black&#8221; or people who try to stoke on people&#8217;s fears because he&#8217;s black.</p>
<p>He could not have gone to Columbia and Harvard and been as successful as he has been in those environments without being exposed to this and still learning how to come out on top.  It&#8217;s something many African Americans encounter everyday, especially these &#8220;elite forms of discrimination&#8221; we&#8217;re seeing from the Clintons that black middle-class people who work in the halls of power and privilege encounter and learn to navigate.</p>
<p>The good thing about Obama is that he brilliant enough to know how to navigate it, come out on top, but most importantly still not lose soul.  Hallelujah!</p>
<p>So as far as I&#8217;m concerned, he is handling all of this perfectly.  He knows how to pick and choose his battles.  He doesn&#8217;t need to hold a press conference on the racial undertones (something the old school black leadership might have done) because I think black people can put two and two together.  Bloggers and black radio and other people can do that heavy lifting for him.  He just needs to keep talking about the issues, organizing, and keeping his eyes on the prize.</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t stand the Clintons, but Bill makes a point. Can anyone even honestly say (rather, can anyone from IL honestly say) that Obama&#039;s even been a decent senator? He&#039;s been campaigning for president since the &#039;04 DNC convention-which was BEFORE HE WAS EVEN SWORN IN to the Senate!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Right now, he&#039;s out of his league. He&#039;d do more good as a VP right now, and THEN he&#039;d have the coronation that Clinton expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t stand the Clintons, but Bill makes a point. Can anyone even honestly say (rather, can anyone from IL honestly say) that Obama&#8217;s even been a decent senator? He&#8217;s been campaigning for president since the &#8216;04 DNC convention-which was BEFORE HE WAS EVEN SWORN IN to the Senate!</p>
<p>Right now, he&#8217;s out of his league. He&#8217;d do more good as a VP right now, and THEN he&#8217;d have the coronation that Clinton expected.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and dont forget the TV host = minstral allusion. Flip Wilson maybe? Absolutely disgusting, shameful and frankly poor political judgement. I would like to see some high profile african american defections from the Clinton camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and dont forget the TV host = minstral allusion. Flip Wilson maybe? Absolutely disgusting, shameful and frankly poor political judgement. I would like to see some high profile african american defections from the Clinton camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twenty something black female who&#039;s pretty much co-signing everything anti-Billary comment. I was too young to vote for Bill Clinton for president and I can honesty say I&#039;m glad I was unable gave this bitter self-absorbed man my precious vote. Watching those Charlie Rose clips on youtube just makes me more resolved to not only vote for Obama, but to actively get out there and support that brother. This sista&#039;s getting ready to go door to door for Barack and Michelle, OK! The Clintons and their loyalists are using their very own southern strategy. It&#039;s not blatant like the Republican strategy, but it&#039;s there. It&#039;s that modern day hidden racism, y&#039;all know what I&#039;m talking about. Wait, I&#039;m wrong. The drug dealer thing was totally blatant.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I just want to say, it&#039;s all fine and dandy that those of us who actually read blogs are expressing our outrage about this. But please inform your peeps. We know good and well a lot of &quot;us&quot; don&#039;t follow this stuff like we should. This nasty attack on Obama should be a hot topic in every beauty salon, barber shop, and black church. Please, tell Pookie and Keisha what&#039;s going on because we know good and well that they don&#039;t know and will cast a vote for anyone named Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty something black female who&#8217;s pretty much co-signing everything anti-Billary comment. I was too young to vote for Bill Clinton for president and I can honesty say I&#8217;m glad I was unable gave this bitter self-absorbed man my precious vote. Watching those Charlie Rose clips on youtube just makes me more resolved to not only vote for Obama, but to actively get out there and support that brother. This sista&#8217;s getting ready to go door to door for Barack and Michelle, OK! The Clintons and their loyalists are using their very own southern strategy. It&#8217;s not blatant like the Republican strategy, but it&#8217;s there. It&#8217;s that modern day hidden racism, y&#8217;all know what I&#8217;m talking about. Wait, I&#8217;m wrong. The drug dealer thing was totally blatant.</p>
<p>And I just want to say, it&#8217;s all fine and dandy that those of us who actually read blogs are expressing our outrage about this. But please inform your peeps. We know good and well a lot of &#8220;us&#8221; don&#8217;t follow this stuff like we should. This nasty attack on Obama should be a hot topic in every beauty salon, barber shop, and black church. Please, tell Pookie and Keisha what&#8217;s going on because we know good and well that they don&#8217;t know and will cast a vote for anyone named Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: plez...</title>
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		<dc:creator>plez...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the game is getting tight, hillary is continuing to slip in the polls to Obama, and now the gloves are coming off!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;after 12 years in the arkansas governor&#039;s mansion, and 8 years in the white house, and over 6 years in the senate... the clintons are beginning to show their TRUE COLORS!  who does that BOY  think he is?!?  and what makes him think that he can run against the family that all you Black people should love and adore?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;we are now seeing the clintons for what they always have been... condescending, good-ole-boys, who can fake a black southern accent at the mere mention of a black church!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i have to ask the question: who the &quot;fudge&quot; does bill clinton think he is?!?  without the Black vote, his wife is persona non-grata!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;to be honest, if she wins the nomination, i&#039;m going to have problems voting for hillary... i really am!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the game is getting tight, hillary is continuing to slip in the polls to Obama, and now the gloves are coming off!</p>
<p>after 12 years in the arkansas governor&#8217;s mansion, and 8 years in the white house, and over 6 years in the senate&#8230; the clintons are beginning to show their TRUE COLORS!  who does that BOY  think he is?!?  and what makes him think that he can run against the family that all you Black people should love and adore?</p>
<p>we are now seeing the clintons for what they always have been&#8230; condescending, good-ole-boys, who can fake a black southern accent at the mere mention of a black church!</p>
<p>i have to ask the question: who the &#8220;fudge&#8221; does bill clinton think he is?!?  without the Black vote, his wife is persona non-grata!</p>
<p>to be honest, if she wins the nomination, i&#8217;m going to have problems voting for hillary&#8230; i really am!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know who Donna, who posted above is talking about and I suspect he&#039;s a Clinton troll.&lt;br/&gt;I have always thought the madrassa story was planted by HRC, as well.  And the ongoing, Is he black enough one as well.&lt;br/&gt;I really am not surprised by anything the Clintons do and how far they will stoop for power and the limelight.  They are self serving and self involved and do not think outside of the me, me, me  style baby boomer stereotype.&lt;br/&gt;David Corn wrote an article 2 weeks ago pretty much saying the clintons and their people hate Obama.  The mindset is to destroy him.  They feel How dare he thinks he can deny Hillary the nomination.  The whole sense of entitlement but, also what hung in the remarks was &#039;uppity&#039;.&lt;br/&gt;So, yeah, They will use the old under the radar race thing that many old southerns may pick up on as well.&lt;br/&gt;Look at Bob Kerry&#039;s remarks today about Obama when he endorsed Hillary.  It was frankly disgusting that they still have not learned.&lt;br/&gt;I am a white babyboomer female who cannot stand the Clintons and what they have become. &lt;br/&gt;But, this is what desperation will do.  Your ugly side comes out. &lt;br/&gt;I also live in Illinois so Obama is my senator.  Let me say, that this man has a great deal of respect and you should have seen all the ages and races, mostly white, who were crazy enough to stand in 10 degree weather to witness Obama&#039;s announcement speech, including my husband and myself.&lt;br/&gt;The fact is that many people in this country really love Obama and take offense to this type of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know who Donna, who posted above is talking about and I suspect he&#8217;s a Clinton troll.<br />I have always thought the madrassa story was planted by HRC, as well.  And the ongoing, Is he black enough one as well.<br />I really am not surprised by anything the Clintons do and how far they will stoop for power and the limelight.  They are self serving and self involved and do not think outside of the me, me, me  style baby boomer stereotype.<br />David Corn wrote an article 2 weeks ago pretty much saying the clintons and their people hate Obama.  The mindset is to destroy him.  They feel How dare he thinks he can deny Hillary the nomination.  The whole sense of entitlement but, also what hung in the remarks was &#8216;uppity&#8217;.<br />So, yeah, They will use the old under the radar race thing that many old southerns may pick up on as well.<br />Look at Bob Kerry&#8217;s remarks today about Obama when he endorsed Hillary.  It was frankly disgusting that they still have not learned.<br />I am a white babyboomer female who cannot stand the Clintons and what they have become. <br />But, this is what desperation will do.  Your ugly side comes out. <br />I also live in Illinois so Obama is my senator.  Let me say, that this man has a great deal of respect and you should have seen all the ages and races, mostly white, who were crazy enough to stand in 10 degree weather to witness Obama&#8217;s announcement speech, including my husband and myself.<br />The fact is that many people in this country really love Obama and take offense to this type of thing.</p>
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