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	<title>Comments on: Michael Baisden Attacks Color of Change and Jena 6 families</title>
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		<title>By: Yobachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yobachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g-e-m2001,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The issue isn’t about taking vengeance as bloggers. It’s about protecting the cause from infighting that will discourage the masses who are hard to encourage to fight in the first place; and now finally having been turned on may subsequently be turned off by this. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Put your blogger pride aside for a second. If your pride as a blogger is the most important thing to you here then you’re just as wrong and as dangerous as Baisden and what he did.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And yes, responsible, intelligent people in a coalition like the AfroSpear talk to each other instead of just going off half-cocked like a bunch of wild banshees.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We don&#039;t need internet gangsterism or teenage emotional retorting; we need thoughtful and caculating strategy to forward the movement. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;www.BlackPerspective.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>g-e-m2001,</p>
<p>The issue isn’t about taking vengeance as bloggers. It’s about protecting the cause from infighting that will discourage the masses who are hard to encourage to fight in the first place; and now finally having been turned on may subsequently be turned off by this. </p>
<p>Put your blogger pride aside for a second. If your pride as a blogger is the most important thing to you here then you’re just as wrong and as dangerous as Baisden and what he did.</p>
<p>And yes, responsible, intelligent people in a coalition like the AfroSpear talk to each other instead of just going off half-cocked like a bunch of wild banshees.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need internet gangsterism or teenage emotional retorting; we need thoughtful and caculating strategy to forward the movement. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.BlackPerspective.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.BlackPerspective.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mode One Author</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mode One Author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blame Baisden, but even more so, many of his fans who have now anointed him &quot;the new Black leader&quot; of Young Black America.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On what credentials??&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do I respect him as an author?  Yes.  As a media &quot;celebrity&quot; and entertaining radio host?  Yes.  As a civil rights leader?  Uhm ... NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blame Baisden, but even more so, many of his fans who have now anointed him &#8220;the new Black leader&#8221; of Young Black America.</p>
<p>On what credentials??</p>
<p>Do I respect him as an author?  Yes.  As a media &#8220;celebrity&#8221; and entertaining radio host?  Yes.  As a civil rights leader?  Uhm &#8230; NO.</p>
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		<title>By: g-e-m2001</title>
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		<dc:creator>g-e-m2001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear fellow diplomatic and tactful Black bloggers, I know that y&#039;all want to temper your public outrage for fear of creating a chasm in some coalition you believe now exists as a result of the Jena 6, but let me make it plain as moi is prone to do. THIS WAS AN ATTACK ON BLACK ONLINE ACTIVISTS IN GENERAL. It was a calculated attack. Baisden worked on this attack for weeks and knew EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. Y&#039;all can be all &quot;We Are the World&quot; if you want to, but it is what it is. Old media is terrified of Black bloggers. The Black Elite Establishment, of which smutty book writing Baisden wants to belong, views bloggers with suspicion and disdain and since I love hyperbole... they don&#039;t have a problem destroying what they cannot control and they can&#039;t control Black bloggers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Baisden hemmed and hawed talking about how he had gotten with his &quot;lawyers&quot; and had held off on launching his slanderous attack for TWO WEEKS.  He called one of the leaders of Color of Change &quot;Shady.&#039;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have written a response to this foolishness over at &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://whataboutourdaughters.blogspot.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What About Our Daughters?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ridiculous.  Was there EVER any debate as to whether or not Black bloggers should publicly confront this idiot Baisden?  Toughen Up people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear fellow diplomatic and tactful Black bloggers, I know that y&#8217;all want to temper your public outrage for fear of creating a chasm in some coalition you believe now exists as a result of the Jena 6, but let me make it plain as moi is prone to do. THIS WAS AN ATTACK ON BLACK ONLINE ACTIVISTS IN GENERAL. It was a calculated attack. Baisden worked on this attack for weeks and knew EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. Y&#8217;all can be all &#8220;We Are the World&#8221; if you want to, but it is what it is. Old media is terrified of Black bloggers. The Black Elite Establishment, of which smutty book writing Baisden wants to belong, views bloggers with suspicion and disdain and since I love hyperbole&#8230; they don&#8217;t have a problem destroying what they cannot control and they can&#8217;t control Black bloggers.</p>
<p>Baisden hemmed and hawed talking about how he had gotten with his &#8220;lawyers&#8221; and had held off on launching his slanderous attack for TWO WEEKS.  He called one of the leaders of Color of Change &#8220;Shady.&#8217;</p>
<p>I have written a response to this foolishness over at <a HREF="http://whataboutourdaughters.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">What About Our Daughters?</a></p>
<p>Ridiculous.  Was there EVER any debate as to whether or not Black bloggers should publicly confront this idiot Baisden?  Toughen Up people!</p>
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		<title>By: ddgee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddgee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baisden wants to &quot;Raise a million dollars on one day&quot; for the Jena 6 defense fund? Is that much money even necessary? Is Marcus Jones actually irked because the money raised by CofC hasn&#039;t touched HIS hands?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baisden wants to &#8220;Raise a million dollars on one day&#8221; for the Jena 6 defense fund? Is that much money even necessary? Is Marcus Jones actually irked because the money raised by CofC hasn&#8217;t touched HIS hands?</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to differ with the claim that Mr. Baisden &quot;did not say anything&quot;: On his 5-NOV-07 show he said: &quot;The money is not going where it is supposed to go.&quot; Yet he did not state any facts to support this statement. Further, when Marcus Jones made a reference to the David Bowie donation ending up in &quot;the hands of Color Of Change&quot;, Baisden did not correct him. On 19-SEP-07, Julian Bond announced that David Bowie had donated $10K to the NAACP Jena campaign. Does Baisden want us to believe that he did not have accces to this information and therefore could not correct Mr Jones? Baisden also said on the show that &quot;He&#039;s (James Rucker) a little shady&quot;. Yet he presented no facts to support this claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ with the claim that Mr. Baisden &#8220;did not say anything&#8221;: On his 5-NOV-07 show he said: &#8220;The money is not going where it is supposed to go.&#8221; Yet he did not state any facts to support this statement. Further, when Marcus Jones made a reference to the David Bowie donation ending up in &#8220;the hands of Color Of Change&#8221;, Baisden did not correct him. On 19-SEP-07, Julian Bond announced that David Bowie had donated $10K to the NAACP Jena campaign. Does Baisden want us to believe that he did not have accces to this information and therefore could not correct Mr Jones? Baisden also said on the show that &#8220;He&#8217;s (James Rucker) a little shady&#8221;. Yet he presented no facts to support this claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Exodus Mentality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exodus Mentality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Did Baisden actually SAY anything, or did he let Jones make all the accusations?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I for one will not be satisfied with some half baked excuse that Baisden didn&#039;t personally make the accusations.  If you haven&#039;t heard the radio clips, the leave absolutely no doubt that Baisden instigate4d and participated fully in the realease of this information, and further may have slandered Color of change organization and leadership with his &quot;opinion&quot; that they are &quot;shady&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;A talk show dosent make you a leader, GOD sends Leaders.Leaders dont appoint themseves.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Very righteous sentiments og, but the reality that we are facing is that he who has the most face time in the m edia is presumed to be the leader.  That presumption may be refuted at the street level, but that doens&#039;t change the degree of influence that is being wielded by media personalities masquerading as leaders.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think it&#039;s important for everyone to recognize that what Baisden did had a motivation that is at it&#039;s core, the antithesis of what we need from people who would wield influence supposedly on our behalf.  There is more to this than just a pissing contest between the netroots and a popular radio host.  He has been shown to be duplicitous and even the best reading of this situation leads one inexoarbly to the conclusion that Baisden is more self serving and public serving.  The wonderful access to information that we have today makes us that much more capable of identifying people and organizations who pretend to be for us when they are really just for themselves.  Right now, that&#039;s the bigger picture charge that Michael Baisden needs to address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Did Baisden actually SAY anything, or did he let Jones make all the accusations?&#8221;</p>
<p>I for one will not be satisfied with some half baked excuse that Baisden didn&#8217;t personally make the accusations.  If you haven&#8217;t heard the radio clips, the leave absolutely no doubt that Baisden instigate4d and participated fully in the realease of this information, and further may have slandered Color of change organization and leadership with his &#8220;opinion&#8221; that they are &#8220;shady&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;A talk show dosent make you a leader, GOD sends Leaders.Leaders dont appoint themseves.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very righteous sentiments og, but the reality that we are facing is that he who has the most face time in the m edia is presumed to be the leader.  That presumption may be refuted at the street level, but that doens&#8217;t change the degree of influence that is being wielded by media personalities masquerading as leaders.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important for everyone to recognize that what Baisden did had a motivation that is at it&#8217;s core, the antithesis of what we need from people who would wield influence supposedly on our behalf.  There is more to this than just a pissing contest between the netroots and a popular radio host.  He has been shown to be duplicitous and even the best reading of this situation leads one inexoarbly to the conclusion that Baisden is more self serving and public serving.  The wonderful access to information that we have today makes us that much more capable of identifying people and organizations who pretend to be for us when they are really just for themselves.  Right now, that&#8217;s the bigger picture charge that Michael Baisden needs to address.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting about this Jill. I was upset when I first read about it on P6. I went to Color of Change to express my support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting about this Jill. I was upset when I first read about it on P6. I went to Color of Change to express my support.</p>
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		<title>By: AAPP</title>
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		<dc:creator>AAPP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Although I didn&#039;t initially agree with going public against Baisden there may be some merit. I&#039;m still concerned that there seems to be a set-up in how all this is coming about. this type of public discourse bothers me. I reluctantly posted about this situation on my blog. &quot;Michael should put up or shut up,&#039; but at the same time, we should not be trying to go at him personally. two wrongs have never made a right. We should check ourselves, and not be ready to lynch two brothers because they appear to have made mistakes, calculated as they may appear to be. Hold them accountable but be forgiving. Anything less would be unfortunate and wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, </p>
<p>Although I didn&#8217;t initially agree with going public against Baisden there may be some merit. I&#8217;m still concerned that there seems to be a set-up in how all this is coming about. this type of public discourse bothers me. I reluctantly posted about this situation on my blog. &#8220;Michael should put up or shut up,&#8217; but at the same time, we should not be trying to go at him personally. two wrongs have never made a right. We should check ourselves, and not be ready to lynch two brothers because they appear to have made mistakes, calculated as they may appear to be. Hold them accountable but be forgiving. Anything less would be unfortunate and wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: OG</title>
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		<dc:creator>OG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr King didnt have a talk show or Rev,AL for a BIG BROTHER.A talk show dosent make you a leader, GOD&lt;br/&gt;sends Leaders.Leaders dont appoint themseves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr King didnt have a talk show or Rev,AL for a BIG BROTHER.A talk show dosent make you a leader, GOD<br />sends Leaders.Leaders dont appoint themseves.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Baisden actually SAY anything, or did he let Jones make all the accusations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Baisden actually SAY anything, or did he let Jones make all the accusations?</p>
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